I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

The only problem I see is that one JL 500/1 is not going to be enough power
for a pair of 10W7. With that setup, you would only be sending 250 watts
per sub and that sub can probably go near 1000 watts RMS, at least 500 watts
RMS. So either look at maybe just one sub or get the JL 1000/1 for the
pair.

Just my .02

Douglas


"Davo" wrote in message
om...
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

I agree with Douglas. If you are planning on getting that setup (which by
the way is a very good choice) the subs will be seriously underpowered.
Maybe look at another amplifier brand if you want to save some money. If
seen solid setups with 2 10w7s running Lanzar Optidrive amplifiers which
dollar - per - watt is much lower than any JL amplifier.

EFFENDI

"Douglas Conder" wrote in message
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The only problem I see is that one JL 500/1 is not going to be enough
power
for a pair of 10W7. With that setup, you would only be sending 250 watts
per sub and that sub can probably go near 1000 watts RMS, at least 500
watts
RMS. So either look at maybe just one sub or get the JL 1000/1 for the
pair.

Just my .02

Douglas


"Davo" wrote in message
om...
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

Davo wrote
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

Firstly, the JL equipment is definately high-end, so no worries in that
regard.

I don't disagree with the other responses you got (from Douglas and
E-F-F-E-N-D-I) but I do question the advice you are being given. A pair of
10W7 running off of a 500/1 is severe overkill given your objective. You can
achieve your goal with a fraction of that kind of power/bass.

Using JL Audio as a reference, you could get away with a 250/1 and 2 x 10W0.
This should run you less then $1500 installed. Basically you can use the 500
and the W7s, but you will just about have them turned off to keep them from
overpowering the rest of the sound system. You won't even have to run the
250 and W0s very hard (during those periods of time that you so desire to
use the power).

My $0.02

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Regards,
Dan Snooks

Davo, you should listen to Dan Snooks. The dub7s are a little much if you
are trying to keep it low budget. The 10w0s are a good choice

EFFENDI

"Daniel Snooks" wrote in message
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Davo wrote
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

Firstly, the JL equipment is definately high-end, so no worries in that
regard.

I don't disagree with the other responses you got (from Douglas and
E-F-F-E-N-D-I) but I do question the advice you are being given. A pair of
10W7 running off of a 500/1 is severe overkill given your objective. You
can
achieve your goal with a fraction of that kind of power/bass.

Using JL Audio as a reference, you could get away with a 250/1 and 2 x
10W0.
This should run you less then $1500 installed. Basically you can use the
500
and the W7s, but you will just about have them turned off to keep them
from
overpowering the rest of the sound system. You won't even have to run the
250 and W0s very hard (during those periods of time that you so desire to
use the power).

My $0.02

--
Regards,
Dan Snooks

Yet another case of a high end shop mis-informing a customer...

W7s are overkill for your modest db levels and that amp. I am not
familiar with their entire lineup, but perhaps W0s or W3s will suffice??

Garrett

Davo wrote:
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

I agreed.

500/1 is not going to made a dent on the even one 10w7 in sealed box,
let alone two of them. In a sealed box, you will need at least 1000/1 to
make them move.

The JL 500/5 & a single 10w6v2 or 12w6v2 will be a pretty good match. I
have seem the 500/5 on Ebay going for around $500 & a 12W6V2 for around
$300. A custom enclosure would run about $100-150.

I have power my 10W6V2 on the 250W sub channel on the 500/5, it's pretty
decent. W3's are also very good but doesn't handle a lot of power.
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10" W0 with the mrp- m350 is really loud. and its just under $700 CAN
.. that also depends were u go to.


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I agreed.

500/1 is not going to made a dent on the even one 10w7 in sealed box,
let alone two of them. In a sealed box, you will need at least 1000/1 to
make them move.

The JL 500/5 & a single 10w6v2 or 12w6v2 will be a pretty good match. I
have seem the 500/5 on Ebay going for around $500 & a 12W6V2 for around
$300. A custom enclosure would run about $100-150.

I have power my 10W6V2 on the 250W sub channel on the 500/5, it's pretty
decent. W3's are also very good but doesn't handle a lot of power.
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pittwm wrote
I agreed.

What is it that you agreed to? Please quote.

500/1 is not going to made a dent on the even one 10w7 in sealed box,
let alone two of them. In a sealed box, you will need at least 1000/1 to
make them move.

The 500/1 will produce deafening bass running two 10W7 in a sealed box.
Which begs the question ... when did the OP say that he was using a sealed
box? You do not need 1000W to make a 10W7 move. JL Audio recommends a
minimum of 250W which the 500/1 would give to each 10W7.

The JL 500/5 & a single 10w6v2 or 12w6v2 will be a pretty good match. I
have seem the 500/5 on Ebay going for around $500 & a 12W6V2 for around
$300. A custom enclosure would run about $100-150.

I am not trying to flame you or anything, but you seem to be giving some
very poor advice here. JL Audio will not honour warranty on any equipment
that isn't purchased from an authorized dealer. Unless something has changed
lately that I don't know about, there are no online authorized dealers of JL
Audio. More to the point, I would assume, from the $2000 quotes that the OP
was getting, that he is not planning to install the equipment himself.
Therefore buying online is not his best choice, because an install shop will
jack the labour charges if the equipment is purchased elsewhere (typically).

I have power my 10W6V2 on the 250W sub channel on the 500/5, it's pretty
decent. W3's are also very good but doesn't handle a lot of power.

Again ... where are you getting this information? JL Audio recommends a
maximum 500W for a 10W3. Running two of them on a 500/1 would give each
250W, which JL Audio suggests is optimum.

By all means, please explain your opinions. Perhaps I am missing something?

Just a suggestion make sure your amp has more power then what the sub can
handle...Don't really care what some people say more subs are blown by being
under powered then being overpowered. This is because they get a very large
surge or a loud 'pop' when they are underpowered which can blow the sub(s)
very fast so it is much better to have more amp than you need.
Jared
"kramer5150" wrote in message
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Yet another case of a high end shop mis-informing a customer...

W7s are overkill for your modest db levels and that amp. I am not
familiar with their entire lineup, but perhaps W0s or W3s will suffice??

Garrett

Davo wrote:
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

Just a suggestion make sure your amp has more power then what the sub can
handle...Don't really care what some people say more subs are blown by being
under powered then being overpowered. This is because they get a very large
surge or a loud 'pop' when they are underpowered which can blow the sub(s)
very fast so it is much better to have more amp than you need.
Jared

Ok Jared your new to car audio I take it.


Search the archives for underpowering.
Underpowering DOES NOT blow a sub. The reasons are in the archives.

And typically a loud "pop" is not from not running less power than the speaker
can handle. Elaborate on what you mean.

Les

Look, I'm just here to give suggestions from my experience with trying
different JL amp & subs. My bad assuming that it was a sealed box
application.

Yes, JL Audio RECOMMENDS the wattage, as you stated, on their site & in
the W7 owner's manual. Nonetheless, try 500/1 on one or two 10W7 sealed
for yourself!!!

You are also correct on the warranty issue on internet purchase of Car
Audio Equipment. I bought my 1000/1 on EBAY for $600.00 shipped & my
XR's for $200/ pr shipped. That's $399.00 off retail on the 1000/1 &
$199.00 off for each pair of XR's.

The equipments I received were brand new & I'm happy with the saving. I
assume the risk if the equip. fails. Others might feel differently about
it.

I've also bought an Eclipse HU recently at a local store. Great service
but it was full retail, $420.00 + 6% tax. However, I don't feel being
rid off because I like the HU and the people treat me very
professionally when I visited the store on numerous occasions.

Hey, if you're in retail mobile electronic business and you're offended
becuz I suggested buying Eq. on Ebay, I apologized. I don't own any Ebay
stocks, I could care less if they do not host another auction.
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Yes, JL Audio RECOMMENDS the wattage, as you stated, on their site & in
the W7 owner's manual. Nonetheless, try 500/1 on one or two 10W7 sealed
for yourself!!!


I have. You're smoking crack. A pair of 10W7's on a 500/1 will friggin'
hammer.


Paul Vina

How big is your enclosure? 3 cu ported?
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What enclosure? I didn't say I owned any 10W7's, I said I've tried them.
I've aalso sold them and installed them.

Paul Vina


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pittwm wrote

Look, I'm just here to give suggestions from my experience with trying
different JL amp & subs. My bad assuming that it was a sealed box
application.

That may be true, but you still aren't quoting. It is a rule of RAC, so do
it.

Yes, JL Audio RECOMMENDS the wattage, as you stated, on their site & in
the W7 owner's manual. Nonetheless, try 500/1 on one or two 10W7 sealed
for yourself!!!

If I could afford it, I might. Bottom line is that one OR two 10W7 running
off a 500/1 will sound INCEDIBLE. I think your point is that the 500/1 is
wasting the POTENTIAL of the 10W7(s), but that is not what you are saying.
Will 1000W/sub get more SPL from them? Absolutely.

You are also correct on the warranty issue on internet purchase of Car
Audio Equipment. I bought my 1000/1 on EBAY for $600.00 shipped & my
XR's for $200/ pr shipped. That's $399.00 off retail on the 1000/1 &
$199.00 off for each pair of XR's.

The equipments I received were brand new & I'm happy with the saving. I
assume the risk if the equip. fails. Others might feel differently about
it.

The emphasis of my point was that the OP didn't seem to be doing the install
themselves (given the quote they posted).

I've also bought an Eclipse HU recently at a local store. Great service
but it was full retail, $420.00 + 6% tax. However, I don't feel being
rid off because I like the HU and the people treat me very
professionally when I visited the store on numerous occasions.

Hey, if you're in retail mobile electronic business and you're offended
becuz I suggested buying Eq. on Ebay, I apologized. I don't own any Ebay
stocks, I could care less if they do not host another auction.

I am not in the business, but my position still remains that Ebay is almost
exclusively for DIY installers.

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Regards,
Dan Snooks

pittwm wrote
How big is your enclosure? 3 cu ported?

You still aren't quoting !

3 cu ported would be the recommended volume for two 10W7s. Seems reasonable
to assume that someone willing to spend the $ on JL Audio would install it
correctly.
I would think that bandpass would render the greatest gains when using less
then the optimal power. Yummy, two 10W7 isobaric bandpass ! :-)

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Regards,
Dan Snooks

First off I want to thank everyone for giving me their input. It's
been most helpful. At least I knew a little of what to ask about when
I went back into the store. I also found out a couple new things. I
guess my Infiniti J30 is designed a little weird. Apparently the gas
tank is right behind the trunk. And between the trunk and the cab is a
1/4" steel plate to protect the cab. This is all what I've been told.
So now it looks like I need to have some holes cut into that 1/4"
steel plate so that the bass will make it to the cab. It also would
appear that the 10W7's are just a little too big to fit in my truck,
so now it's been suggested that I go with 2 x 10W6's with the 500/1
amp. I have an appointment to have it all installed this coming
Friday, 9/26 and would definately appreciate any last-minute
opinions/thoughts anyone might have. Oh yeah, as far as the box goes,
I'm having a custom box made that will lay against the back wall of
the truck (to optimize any remaining trunk space I may have). Thank
you all again in advance.


(Davo) wrote in message . com...
I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.

I think you will be more than happy with that setup. Whether they are
Version 1 or 2 subs, that amp should drive them good. Especially V1 subs.


"Davo" wrote in message
om...
First off I want to thank everyone for giving me their input. It's
been most helpful. At least I knew a little of what to ask about when
I went back into the store. I also found out a couple new things. I
guess my Infiniti J30 is designed a little weird. Apparently the gas
tank is right behind the trunk. And between the trunk and the cab is a
1/4" steel plate to protect the cab. This is all what I've been told.
So now it looks like I need to have some holes cut into that 1/4"
steel plate so that the bass will make it to the cab. It also would
appear that the 10W7's are just a little too big to fit in my truck,
so now it's been suggested that I go with 2 x 10W6's with the 500/1
amp. I have an appointment to have it all installed this coming
Friday, 9/26 and would definately appreciate any last-minute
opinions/thoughts anyone might have. Oh yeah, as far as the box goes,
I'm having a custom box made that will lay against the back wall of
the truck (to optimize any remaining trunk space I may have). Thank
you all again in advance.


(Davo) wrote in message
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I've got a 1993 Infiniti J30 and I'm looking to put some more bass
into it. Though I don't really listen to that much loud music, I
rather like the idea of having the power there if I so desired to use
it. I've gone to a couple different local car stereo places and
they've pointed me toward using a JL Audio amp (500/1 I think) and
subs (2 x 10W7). I was only looking to put about $1500 max into it,
but both places quoted me prices over $2000. Well I figured that if I
am to spend this much, I'd might as well see if I'm getting high-end
equipment. Input on this would be much appreciated as well as what you
car audio buffs would do in a similar situation if you had a cap of
$3000. Thank you in advance.