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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
Ok so for the past few months I have been having a little issue with my
Kicker KX600.1 amp. A few months ago I noticed that the amp would click off after a a few minutes of use, then it would turn back on and be fine a few weeks, then it would do it again. So I figured that maybe the setting were set to high, so I adjusted them, but still the samething. My next thought was maybe it is over heating because it is summer, so I put a fan on it , and still nothing. Well flash forward to yesterday morning. I get in my car start driving, amp is fine, then out of the clear blue my sub stops working. I figured it would come back on in a few seconds, but to my surprise it didnt turn back on at all. I get home to see if maybe there is a loose wire somewhere, but nothing still dead . Next I unplug the sub and remote wire to see if maybe the wires were bad, nothing, but I did notice something odd. On the side of the amp there is 2 LEDS one green and one red that light up when the amp is hooked up, on, and powered properly. I noticed that if I unhook the sub and hook the remote wire up, the Red LED lights up faintly then goes out. I have no clue what could have happened. Today Im going to take it all apart to check all my wires and test the amp, but before I do that I was wondering if anyone could chime in and help me out with what could possibly be wrong? Oh this amp was made in 2002 and has a12" Eclipse 8122DVC Aluminum hooked up to it and has 0 gauge wire. I already checked all the fuses on the amp and the main lead fuse and they are fine. |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
my guess is something is damaged inside the amp. if you have a warranty, send it in for them to repair. if not, open it up and see if you can see any burnt leads on any of the components. -- KU40 |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
^ were you running one sub per pair of bridged coils or did you wire the coils of the two subs in parallel and run them both off one set of bridged terminals? -- KU40 |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
Kicker - may be better amp but bad protection circuit
pyle - no protection curcuit. It runs on your lucky good installation no need of protection circuit. "Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... | It sounds to me like a protection circut of some sort failed. It's good to | know that kicker still sucks ass. The reason I say this is about 5 years ago | we drove to Florida and that the time I had a 4 channel Pyle amp bridged | running a pair of 4ohm single coil subs and the amp ran hot but never shutdown | or anything. In Florida I bought a 4 channel kicker amp ( the one with the | mesh grill) and this bag of crap would shutdown every 45 minutes. It ****ed me | off to the point that on the way home I pulled over at a reststop and hooked | up the Pyle amp again. | | | | In article .com, | wrote: | Ok so for the past few months I have been having a little issue with my | Kicker KX600.1 amp. A few months ago I noticed that the amp would click | off after a a few minutes of use, then it would turn back on and be | fine a few weeks, then it would do it again. So I figured that maybe | the setting were set to high, so I adjusted them, but still the | samething. My next thought was maybe it is over heating because it is | summer, so I put a fan on it , and still nothing. Well flash forward to | yesterday morning. I get in my car start driving, amp is fine, then out | of the clear blue my sub stops working. I figured it would come back on | in a few seconds, but to my surprise it didnt turn back on at all. | | I get home to see if maybe there is a loose wire somewhere, but nothing | still dead . Next I unplug the sub and remote wire to see if maybe the | wires were bad, nothing, but I did notice something odd. On the side of | the amp there is 2 LEDS one green and one red that light up when the | amp is hooked up, on, and powered properly. I noticed that if I unhook | the sub and hook the remote wire up, the Red LED lights up faintly then | goes out. I have no clue what could have happened. Today Im going to | take it all apart to check all my wires and test the amp, but before I | do that I was wondering if anyone could chime in and help me out with | what could possibly be wrong? Oh this amp was made in 2002 and has a12" | Eclipse 8122DVC Aluminum hooked up to it and has 0 gauge wire. I | already checked all the fuses on the amp and the main lead fuse and | they are fine. | |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
The pyle had thermo and overload protection curcuits
In article , "Vivek" wrote: Kicker - may be better amp but bad protection circuit pyle - no protection curcuit. It runs on your lucky good installation no need of protection circuit. |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
doesn't mean they work well. i'll ask again- were you running one sub per pair of bridged coils or did you wire the coils of the two subs in parallel and run them both off one set of bridged terminals? -- KU40 |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
I was running one 4ohm single coil sub per pair of bridged channels. so that the amp would see a 2ohm load per sub. In article , KU40 wrote: doesn't mean they work well. i'll ask again- were you running one sub per pair of bridged coils or did you wire the coils of the two subs in parallel and run them both off one set of bridged terminals? |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
Well Im starting to think that it is probably the Fast Recovery Diodes
and the Transistors on the power supply, does that sound like a possiblity to you guys? Also if you would like pictures of the board I have some. There is no warranty on this amp, because is it 4 years old. Now for anyone who thinks Pyle is better than Kicker, well that is just nuts. Now Kicker is by no means god like, but Pyle is just total pile of crap. If a Pyle amp ever beats out a Kicker then either the Kicker was a dud or the installer is a moron. This amp ran for 4 year almost 6 hours a day (long drive to and from work) in Arizona heat and Maine winters, at well over half way. I would love to see a Pyle amp run an Eclipse 8122DVC 12" sub for that amount of time and last more than a year. I have the Eclipse wired for 2ohm. Like I said I know that Kicker isnt the best thing in the world, but it will destroy any PepBoys crap like Pyle. Now please someone tell me that my JL 1000/1 is crap as well , because I have that in my Mustang. Now back on topic. I took it apart and there is no burn marks, broken or exploded caps or resistors. there is no visible problems at all. Ok here something that is rather interesting. When I tested the wires NOT hooked up to the amp I got a 14.2 and 14.4 reading on my multimeter, but when I hooked up the wires to the amp, the multimeter wouldnt give me a straight reading. All the multimeter is jump around, so that is leading me to believe that it is something in the power supply. or the remote circuit line, because I get a straight good reading from the wires when unhooked, but hooked up there is no way I can get a good reading. So anyone have a clue of if Im heading in the right direction? Here is some pictures of the amp, I hope this help out. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...rontboard2.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...omofboard2.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...tomofboard.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...frontboard.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...n/3cbcd91a.jpg I hope this links work, I have been having issues with them lately Thanks for the help, please keep it up |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
That pyle ran 21 hours to florida and another 21 hours back, The Kicker
shutdown after no more then 45 minutes. In article .com, wrote: Well Im starting to think that it is probably the Fast Recovery Diodes and the Transistors on the power supply, does that sound like a possiblity to you guys? Also if you would like pictures of the board I have some. There is no warranty on this amp, because is it 4 years old. Now for anyone who thinks Pyle is better than Kicker, well that is just nuts. Does a kicker install any different then a pyle? Now Kicker is by no means god like, but Pyle is just total pile of crap. If a Pyle amp ever beats out a Kicker then either the Kicker was a dud or the installer is a moron. This amp ran for 4 year almost 6 hours a day (long drive to and from work) in Arizona heat and Maine winters, at well over half way. I would love to see a Pyle amp run an Eclipse 8122DVC 12" sub for that amount of time and last more than a year. I have the Eclipse wired for 2ohm. Like I said I know that Kicker isnt the best thing in the world, but it will destroy any PepBoys crap like Pyle. Haven't you heard JL is for suckers. For a class D amp with a such a large foot print, 1000watts and no power gain between 1.5 ohm-4 ohm and 11V-14.5V you tell me. Now please someone tell me that my JL 1000/1 is crap as well , because I have that in my Mustang. What setting did you use on your multimeter? Check the trasistors for leakage. If you do start replacing trasistor on the power supply make sure that they are the same make, some aftermarket replacement transistors use a lower gate voltage and after looking at the pics and seeing that your gates your smt resistors you can have a hell of a time finding replacement to lower the gate voltage. You're in for a lot of fun 75% of that amp uses smt parts. Did you call kicker, they might have a flat fee repair rate. Now back on topic. I took it apart and there is no burn marks, broken or exploded caps or resistors. there is no visible problems at all. Ok here something that is rather interesting. When I tested the wires NOT hooked up to the amp I got a 14.2 and 14.4 reading on my multimeter, but when I hooked up the wires to the amp, the multimeter wouldnt give me a straight reading. All the multimeter is jump around, so that is leading me to believe that it is something in the power supply. or the remote circuit line, because I get a straight good reading from the wires when unhooked, but hooked up there is no way I can get a good reading. So anyone have a clue of if Im heading in the right direction? Here is some pictures of the amp, I hope this help out. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...rontboard2.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...omofboard2.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...tomofboard.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...frontboard.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...n/3cbcd91a.jpg I hope this links work, I have been having issues with them lately Thanks for the help, please keep it up |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
wrote in message oups.com... Well Im starting to think that it is probably the Fast Recovery Diodes and the Transistors on the power supply, does that sound like a possiblity to you guys? Also if you would like pictures of the board I have some. There is no warranty on this amp, because is it 4 years old. Now for anyone who thinks Pyle is better than Kicker, well that is just nuts. Now Kicker is by no means god like, but Pyle is just total pile of crap. If a Pyle amp ever beats out a Kicker then either the Kicker was a dud or the installer is a moron. This amp ran for 4 year almost 6 hours a day (long drive to and from work) in Arizona heat and Maine winters, at well over half way. I would love to see a Pyle amp run an Eclipse 8122DVC 12" sub for that amount of time and last more than a year. I have the Eclipse wired for 2ohm. Like I said I know that Kicker isnt the best thing in the world, but it will destroy any PepBoys crap like Pyle. Now please someone tell me that my JL 1000/1 is crap as well , because I have that in my Mustang. Now back on topic. I took it apart and there is no burn marks, broken or exploded caps or resistors. there is no visible problems at all. Ok here something that is rather interesting. When I tested the wires NOT hooked up to the amp I got a 14.2 and 14.4 reading on my multimeter, but when I hooked up the wires to the amp, the multimeter wouldnt give me a straight reading. All the multimeter is jump around, so that is leading me to believe that it is something in the power supply. or the remote circuit line, because I get a straight good reading from the wires when unhooked, but hooked up there is no way I can get a good reading. So anyone have a clue of if Im heading in the right direction? Here is some pictures of the amp, I hope this help out. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...rontboard2.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...omofboard2.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...tomofboard.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...frontboard.jpg http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...n/3cbcd91a.jpg I hope this links work, I have been having issues with them lately Thanks for the help, please keep it up Put your meter in diode mode and check for shorted output devices. If there are none then the PS is at fault. The inconsistent voltage readings are from the amp trying to turn on, pulling a huge amount of current then shutting down. Usually in this condition the audio finals are at fault. Or the PWM oscillator/ Pulse distribution. The FETs and FR diodes have +12 on them all the time, even when the amp is off. A shorted device there would be quite obvious immediately The Remote turn on simply sets the oscillator in action thus turning on the HV supply. Best luck, Hope you get it running, they are cool amps! Chad |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
Ooch!
"Captain Howdy" wrote in message ... | The pyle had thermo and overload protection curcuits | | | In article , "Vivek" wrote: | Kicker - may be better amp but bad protection circuit | pyle - no protection curcuit. It runs on your lucky good installation no | need of protection circuit. | |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
Ok guys I cant get my hands on the original Fast Recovery Diode I
need, but I found a possible replacement, but Im not sure if I can use it or not. So could someone tell me if I can use this replacement Diode? Origianl Diode from the Amp Part number YG225D2 (click to enlarge) http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...eet_Page_1.jpg Replacement Part number MUR1620CT http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MUR1620CT-D.PDF |
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Kicker kx600.1 Wont power on :(
wrote in message oups.com... Ok guys I cant get my hands on the original Fast Recovery Diode I need, but I found a possible replacement, but Im not sure if I can use it or not. So could someone tell me if I can use this replacement Diode? Origianl Diode from the Amp Part number YG225D2 (click to enlarge) http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a20...eet_Page_1.jpg Replacement Part number MUR1620CT http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MUR1620CT-D.PDF The ON device is NOT a replacement. Current is too low. Need 10 amp or better. Prolly a good idea to replace ALL of the FR devices to ensure equal turn on speed. Did you check them out of circuit and they are shorted? How about the switching FETS? Those may be bad as well if the FR's are shot. Chad |
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*When I tested the wires
*NOT hooked up to the amp I got a 14.2 and 14.4 reading on my *multimeter, but when I hooked up the wires to the amp, the multimeter *wouldnt give me a straight reading. All the multimeter is jump around, *so that is leading me to believe that it is something in the power *supply. or the remote circuit line, because I get a straight good *reading from the wires when unhooked, but hooked up there is no way I *can get a good reading. So anyone have a clue of if Im heading in the *right direction? It is possible to have voltage but not current on you battery wire. Just a shot in the dark, but it could be as simple as a corroded fuse holder, battery or ground connection. did you give the connectors and fuse a good close look? I would try the amp on the bench and see if it powers up. |
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