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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:01:25 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:13:02 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 05:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:28:20 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: I was thinking more of the RS4................. What, no FSI? Are you nuts? That's apparently the thing that makes an engine "advanced" these days. and let's remember that this can't be a "cutting-edge Pinkerton-Peter Principle motor", since it's not normally aspirated, right? You really are an ignorant asshole, aren't you Vile? The 2005 RS4 is naturally aspirated, has FSI, and generates 420 HP from 4163cc, which exceeds 100 per litre. Oh, I'm sorry cue sarcasm alert. I just assumed that you were talking about the NEW model, not a year old car. I am - it's not on sale yet, you cretin. Oh, I see. You can talk about motors that aren't even out yet (and "Frenchs" can claim things about their crankshafts), but I can't assume that you are talking about the version that is due out shortly. Any 2005 model is at this point an old model, now that the new line is announced. You should just get the Saleen S7 and be done with it. You'll have bragging rights for a while... You *never* get bragging rights for driving a Yank tank. Now, the Ariel Atom, that's another matter................ You're joking, of course. Bragging rights in a go-kart. Cool. The standards of the Brits has fallen quite low. Thanks for once again confirming that you know nothing about cars - and what makes the special ones special. I guess it's the lack of an enclosure. Or storage space. Of course, as long as you don't have a passenger, you can just about fit a briefcase in the passenger seat. BTW, it's good that VW has caught the Golf up with the HP rating of the A3. I won't be surprised when Audi ups the ante again. Of course not - that's what the 300 HP 3.6 FSI is for! Who cares? We were talking "same engine comparisons", remember? It *is* the same engine, you ignorant ****, it just has bigger holes in it! Oh, so now boring the engine out keeps it the "same motor", especially when it comes to specs and performance. Cool. Amazing how flexible you engineering types have gotten. As we know 3.2 = 3.6 every time. It improves the performance, but It's the same engine. I've never known anyone who actually knows about cars to consider that a bored and/or stroked motor is *different* in any significant way, aside from sheer output. Going from a two-valve to a four-valve head with variable camshaft timing and FSI is another matter. "Improves the performance". ISN"T THAT THE WHOLE POINT that we've been going round and round about? The point that you deny time after time - that VAG has positioned Audi differently by providing "better" specs and "better" performance. This is again something that Porsche did with the INDEPENDENTLY tweaked Cayenne motor. And your last point - it's the same block, remember? Nothing else is supposed to matter. Point is, these are two different motors. Period. |
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:26:05 +0200, Lionel
wrote: Don't be so vexed, Little Man, this also provess Thank you, Gollum. |
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dave weil a écrit :
Point is, these are two different motors. Period. This is a lie this is the same motor. |
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dave "Little Man" weil a écrit :
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:26:05 +0200, Lionel wrote: Don't be so vexed, Little Man, this also provess Thank you, Gollum. Oh, oh, you are reduced to mock my English. You'd better learn about car and motor, Little Man. |
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:31:34 +0200, Lionel
wrote: dave weil a écrit : Point is, these are two different motors. Period. This is a lie this is the same motor. I agree that it's a lie that this is the same motor. Thank you, Lionel. |
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dave weil a écrit :
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:31:34 +0200, Lionel wrote: dave weil a écrit : Point is, these are two different motors. Period. This is a lie this is the same motor. I agree that it's a lie that this is the same motor. Thank you, Lionel. You're welcome, Dave. |
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dave weil a écrit :
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:31:34 +0200, Lionel wrote: dave weil a écrit : Point is, these are two different motors. Period. This is a lie this is the same motor. I agree that it's a lie that this is not the same motor. Thank you, Lionel. You're very welcome Dave. |
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:55:39 -0500, dave weil
wrote: On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:01:25 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:13:02 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 05:40:15 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:28:20 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: I was thinking more of the RS4................. What, no FSI? Are you nuts? That's apparently the thing that makes an engine "advanced" these days. and let's remember that this can't be a "cutting-edge Pinkerton-Peter Principle motor", since it's not normally aspirated, right? You really are an ignorant asshole, aren't you Vile? The 2005 RS4 is naturally aspirated, has FSI, and generates 420 HP from 4163cc, which exceeds 100 per litre. Oh, I'm sorry cue sarcasm alert. I just assumed that you were talking about the NEW model, not a year old car. I am - it's not on sale yet, you cretin. Oh, I see. You can talk about motors that aren't even out yet (and "Frenchs" can claim things about their crankshafts), but I can't assume that you are talking about the version that is due out shortly. Any 2005 model is at this point an old model, now that the new line is announced. You're an idiot - but we knew that. Engines can have a lifespan of ten years or more, vide the ubiquitous 1.9litre VAG diesel and the 1.8 petrol turbo. The RS4 engine was first built in 2004, the first complete cars are going on sale right now. The model it's going into was launched in November 2004, and is the current model. It's not like the US, where they change the radiator grille and scream 'new model'......... You should just get the Saleen S7 and be done with it. You'll have bragging rights for a while... You *never* get bragging rights for driving a Yank tank. Now, the Ariel Atom, that's another matter................ You're joking, of course. Bragging rights in a go-kart. Cool. The standards of the Brits has fallen quite low. Thanks for once again confirming that you know nothing about cars - and what makes the special ones special. I guess it's the lack of an enclosure. Or storage space. Of course, as long as you don't have a passenger, you can just about fit a briefcase in the passenger seat. Almost right - in the case of the Atom, it's the lack of almost everything which makes a car slower and less responsive. You really are an ignorant clown, Vile, and you just dig a deeper hole with every post. Just like in audio. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote
You're an idiot - but we knew that. ................ It's not like the US, where they change the radiator grille and scream 'new model'......... You really are an ignorant clown, Vile, and you just dig a deeper hole with every post. Just like in audio. Having fun, Stew? Wouldn't "vile" also be a good description of your current posting style? If not, what would you call it? Just angry? |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:36:46 -0600, wrote:
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote You're an idiot - but we knew that. ................ It's not like the US, where they change the radiator grille and scream 'new model'......... You really are an ignorant clown, Vile, and you just dig a deeper hole with every post. Just like in audio. Having fun, Stew? Wouldn't "vile" also be a good description of your current posting style? If not, what would you call it? Just angry? Sure he's angry. Frankly, "vile" isn't a descriptor of disagreements about cars. His mispronunciation of my name for "humorous" purposes doesn't cause *me* any grief. It just shows how inbreeding causes more than hemophilia. Poor Steart. There's no DOUBT AT ALL that there's going to be an entirely new motor in this vehicle. The fact that he's willing to buy a car that is pretty much considered a year old at this point is irrelevant - he's welcome to do that if he wishes. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that it would be his preference to prefer a normally aspirated motor to a breather. That's one of the reasons that I was initially surprised that he would be considering the car. I'm simply surprised that he would buy a car immediately before that particular configuration drops off the map after being in production for so long. The more logical thing would be to simply buy a used model. But who that would be "logical". He probably couldn't hold his head up if he bought someone else's car. |
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Sam's surf wrote :
"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote You're an idiot - but we knew that. ................ It's not like the US, where they change the radiator grille and scream 'new model'......... You really are an ignorant clown, Vile, and you just dig a deeper hole with every post. Just like in audio. Having fun, Stew? Wouldn't "vile" also be a good description of your current posting style? If not, what would you call it? Just angry? OTOH as usual Dave Weil is arguing on a subject that he doesn't know and moreover that he doesn't understand. Considering that he acts like a presomptuous braggard we can understand Pinkerton's reaction. Don't you think so ? |
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dave weil wrote: Poor Steart. There's no DOUBT AT ALL that there's going to be an entirely new motor in this vehicle. The fact that he's willing to buy a car that is pretty much considered a year old at this point is irrelevant - he's welcome to do that if he wishes. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that it would be his preference to prefer a normally aspirated motor to a breather. That's one of the reasons that I was initially surprised that he would be considering the car. I'm simply surprised that he would buy a car immediately before that particular configuration drops off the map after being in production for so long. The more logical thing would be to simply buy a used model. But who that would be "logical". He probably couldn't hold his head up if he bought someone else's car. Talk about living vicariously through someone else. When was the last time you bought a new car, Dave? Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? You're so green with envy, you can barely type. ScottW |
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On 8 Sep 2005 10:45:53 -0700, "ScottW" wrote:
Talk about living vicariously through someone else. When was the last time you bought a new car, Dave? 1989. I usually don't like to buy new. I don't think that it's such a great investment. But in this case, I was on the road in Germany and was able to write a lot of the costs off. Oh yeah, it was an Opel Omega, a car that you guys Stateside wouldn't see for several years. and then, it was badged as a Cadillac (and bulked up so much, it was barely the same car). Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? 2003. Glad to have satisfied your curiousity. |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:01:57 -0500, dave weil
wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:36:46 -0600, wrote: "Stewart Pinkerton" wrote You're an idiot - but we knew that. ................ It's not like the US, where they change the radiator grille and scream 'new model'......... You really are an ignorant clown, Vile, and you just dig a deeper hole with every post. Just like in audio. Having fun, Stew? Wouldn't "vile" also be a good description of your current posting style? If not, what would you call it? Just angry? Nah, just contemptuous - and I don't debate with sockpuppets, Arnot. Sure he's angry. Frankly, "vile" isn't a descriptor of disagreements about cars. His mispronunciation of my name for "humorous" purposes doesn't cause *me* any grief. It just shows how inbreeding causes more than hemophilia. I see your English is as pathetic as your class envy. Poor Steart. There's no DOUBT AT ALL that there's going to be an entirely new motor in this vehicle. Which vehicle, the RS4? No, it's simply a development of the existing 4.2 V-8. Lots of trick bits inside and outside, but not by any means an entirely new motor. The only entirely new motor in the entire 2005/6 model lineup is the 2-litre turbo. Shame that you know so little about cars. Of course there is - it's The fact that he's willing to buy a car that is pretty much considered a year old at this point is irrelevant - he's welcome to do that if he wishes. You really are a cretin - that car is only just going on sale in Europe, no one but an ignorant clown like you would consider it anything but a brand new vehicle. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that it would be his preference to prefer a normally aspirated motor to a breather. That's one of the reasons that I was initially surprised that he would be considering the car. I'm simply surprised that he would buy a car immediately before that particular configuration drops off the map after being in production for so long. What the hell are you babbling about? The turbocharged RS4 went out of production in 2001 and was only ever available in Europe, and as what you'd call a station wagon. It remains a classic. BTW, it's naturally aspirated cars that are true breathers - turbos are crippled, and need an iron lung..................... The more logical thing would be to simply buy a used model. But who that would be "logical". He probably couldn't hold his head up if he bought someone else's car. Au contraire, dip****, as a guid Scot I *never* take the first hit on depreciation...... :-) I leave the brand-new fashion statement thing to SWMBO, no doubt she'll want the first new TT to hit the UK............ -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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dave weil wrote: On 8 Sep 2005 10:45:53 -0700, "ScottW" wrote: Talk about living vicariously through someone else. When was the last time you bought a new car, Dave? 1989. I usually don't like to buy new. I don't think that it's such a great investment. I don't know anyone who buys new or current used cars considers them an investment at all. Its an expense. But in this case, I was on the road in Germany and was able to write a lot of the costs off. Oh yeah, it was an Opel Omega, a car that you guys Stateside wouldn't see for several years. Do you still have it? and then, it was badged as a Cadillac (and bulked up so much, it was barely the same car). Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? 2003. Glad to have satisfied your curiousity. Well what was it? and when are the monthly payments over? ScottW |
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ScottW a écrit :
Well what was it? and when are the monthly payments over? I bet that for your wife your money is a good consolation to your lack of balls. But what about your lack of intelligence ? |
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On 8 Sep 2005 11:29:53 -0700, "ScottW" wrote:
dave weil wrote: On 8 Sep 2005 10:45:53 -0700, "ScottW" wrote: Talk about living vicariously through someone else. When was the last time you bought a new car, Dave? 1989. I usually don't like to buy new. I don't think that it's such a great investment. I don't know anyone who buys new or current used cars considers them an investment at all. Its an expense. But in this case, I was on the road in Germany and was able to write a lot of the costs off. Oh yeah, it was an Opel Omega, a car that you guys Stateside wouldn't see for several years. Do you still have it? and then, it was badged as a Cadillac (and bulked up so much, it was barely the same car). Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? 2003. Glad to have satisfied your curiousity. Well what was it? and when are the monthly payments over? Give me your SSN and we'll talk, nosy guy. |
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Is somebody feeling left out of the game? I bet that for your wife your money is a good consolation to your lack of balls. The Gibberella effect reigns supreme. Hey, how much do they charge for a guided tour of the Arab slums? Do you get bonuses for burning out women and children? But what about your lack of intelligence ? Scottie doesn't care what you think, Sluttie. Nobody does. Comment dit-on "carbuncle on the butt of Usenet" en Froggese? |
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"ScottW" wrote in message
oups.com Talk about living vicariously through someone else. When was the last time you bought a new car, Dave? Good question. Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? ahh Scotty, you're letting him off the hook. You're so green with envy, you can barely type. The envy issue isn't about just cars, its about anybody who has made something of their lives. |
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George Minus Middius wrote :
Is somebody feeling left out of the game? ..... Scottie doesn't care what you think, Sluttie. Nobody does. Thank you for you kind compassion, George. :-) |
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"dave weil" wrote in message news On 8 Sep 2005 11:29:53 -0700, "ScottW" wrote: Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? 2003. Glad to have satisfied your curiousity. Well what was it? and when are the monthly payments over? Give me your SSN and we'll talk, nosy guy. Come on Dave... how sad can your car really be? I had some sad cars. My first was an ugly brown '63 Dodge Dart with a slant 6 and pushbutton tranny. It did have a full sized back seat though as a redeeming quality . ScottW |
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Scottie said: I had some sad cars. My first was an ugly brown '63 Dodge Dart with a slant 6 and pushbutton tranny. It did have a full sized back seat though as a redeeming quality . Didn't Sacky just tell us you're 6'8" and 300 lbs? |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:02:53 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message news On 8 Sep 2005 11:29:53 -0700, "ScottW" wrote: Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? 2003. Glad to have satisfied your curiousity. Well what was it? and when are the monthly payments over? Give me your SSN and we'll talk, nosy guy. Come on Dave... how sad can your car really be? SSN please. Asking someone about their monthly payment schedule is pretty damn nosy if you ask me. Where were you raised, a barn? BTW, I've mentioned what kind of car I have. You can find out if you spend about 5 minutes in google. I'm sure some stalker like tor or lionel will come up with it soon. |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:18:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: Hell... when was the last time you bought a car? ahh Scotty, you're letting him off the hook. Well, I've never owned a minivan. |
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"dave weil" wrote
BTW, I've mentioned what kind of car I have. You can find out if you spend about 5 minutes in google. I'm sure some stalker like tor or lionel will come up with it soon. torrie is being a bicycle repairman in a chase vehicle this weekend. I'm looking forward to the next batch of pics. he's very photogenic. like Rudolf the red nosed reindeer. |
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"Lionel" wrote
OTOH as usual Dave Weil is arguing on a subject that he doesn't know and moreover that he doesn't understand. Considering that he acts like a presomptuous braggard we can understand Pinkerton's reaction. Don't you think so ? I thought you preferred to stay away far from my rancorous and plague-stricken self? Change of heart? |
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Sam's surf wrote :
"Lionel" wrote OTOH as usual Dave Weil is arguing on a subject that he doesn't know and moreover that he doesn't understand. Considering that he acts like a presomptuous braggard we can understand Pinkerton's reaction. Don't you think so ? I thought you preferred to stay away far from my rancorous and plague-stricken self? Change of heart? Don't be so self-important, it am just playing billiard. |
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"Lionel" wrote
I thought you preferred to stay away far from my rancorous and plague-stricken self? Change of heart? Don't be so self-important, it am just playing billiard. you are ze billiard hustler, n'est pas? you are ze master de le jeu! you are ze ScottW de France! |
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"George M. Middius" asks ScottW:
Didn't Sacky just tell us you're 6'8" and 300 lbs? Scott - is this true? |
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surf a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote I thought you preferred to stay away far from my rancorous and plague-stricken self? Change of heart? Don't be so self-important, it am just playing billiard. you are ze billiard hustler, n'est pas? Not at all. You put a question and I frankly answer. BTW to be honest I don't find you especially antipathic. you are ze master de le jeu! Just a modest player. NB : "du jeu". du = article defini contracté. you are ze ScottW de France! Bad comparison. I am nasty and my moral "values" would need a drastic clean up. PS : do you know that you have a pubic hair on the tongue ? |
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"Lionel" wrote
PS : do you know that you have a pubic hair on the tongue ? just spit it out. |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Scottie said: That doesn't just mean rationally acknowledging the value of scientifically valid tests performed by experienced R&D professionals in real enterprises. It also means you have to believe that a very few "tests" that are done without real scientific controls, in which both the participants and the proctors are predisposed to not hearing differences, are sufficient for all audio equipment and all listeners. That's just BS How rude. and and a cheap attempt to smear all objectivists by forcing association with Arny. You need to give that agenda a rest when having meaningful input. You still don't read very well. You also have to believe that any difference somebody thinks they heard in real-life listening, but that disappears during a "test", is illusory. More BS. Gracious, such hostility! You just need to allow the test protocol every opportunity to reveal the difference heard in "real-life listening". Long sessions, music, noise sources, tones, rapid switching etc. Anything the subject feels is necessary to allow positive blind detection. It's still a "test" and it's not the same as listening for enjoyment. It's not supposed to be the same you ****ing twit, it's much more revealing than listening for enjoyment. |
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Robert Gault wrote:
George Middius wrote: Robert Gault said: Any scientific pursuit from medicine to taste comparisons of soda uses DBT. Do you consider buying audio equipment for use in your home to be a "scientific pursuit"? If so, go for it -- take some "tests". Then you'll have "proved" that everything sounds the same. And the Krooborg guarantees you can do it without spending hundreds on a switchbox and devoting hundreds of hours to reach a statistically meaningful number of trials. What fun! This is surely why audio such a popular hobby. When I buy audio equipment for my home, I want to be able to rely on a review which tells me the minimum amount of money I need to pay to achieve good sound quality. I don't want to be scammed into buying expensive equipment which can be had for less or does not work. That should be the job of a good audio magazine. It should not be exclusively a shill for the audio equivalent of pyramid razor sharpeners. That's crazy talk! When you buy a health care product, do you want to know whether it really works in some boring scientific test? Of course not. All you need to know is that some self-appointed expert in an alternative health magazine claimed it made him feel good. Because no one ever does DBTs on such products at home. Therefore such information is useless for the average health care consumer. In fact, suggesting otherwise means you aren't *really* interested in health at all -- that you're a mean meanie who only wants to make other people feel bad about their choices. -- -S |
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"Steven Sullivan" wrote ...
Robert Gault wrote: When I buy audio equipment for my home, I want to be able to rely on a review which tells me the minimum amount of money I need to pay to achieve good sound quality. That's easy, Robert. Just buy the cheapest amp you can find. They all sound the same. That's crazy talk! When you buy a health care product, do you want to know whether it really works in some boring scientific test? Yes you do, Steve. But I understand you were being sarcastic in an attempt to be funny. good try. |
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surf said: That's crazy talk! When you buy a health care product, do you want to know whether it really works in some boring scientific test? Yes you do, Steve. But I understand you were being sarcastic in an attempt to be funny. good try. This isn't the first time that Sillyborg has demeaned the health care products industry. He has a particular grudge against pharmaceuticals. What kind of twisted person thinks medications are equivalent to audio equipment? It's sad and pathetic. |
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surf wrote:
"Steven Sullivan" wrote ... Robert Gault wrote: When I buy audio equipment for my home, I want to be able to rely on a review which tells me the minimum amount of money I need to pay to achieve good sound quality. That's easy, Robert. Just buy the cheapest amp you can find. They all sound the same. Well, be careful of those SET amps. And consider how much power you'll need to run your speakers, at levels you like, in a room your size. But with those considerations in mind, yeah, if all you're looking for is an amplifier, and all you care about is the sound and the price, get the cheapest one that fits that bill. It's unlikely to sound different from one that also fits the bill, but is more expensive. That's crazy talk! When you buy a health care product, do you want to know whether it really works in some boring scientific test? Yes you do, Steve. But I understand you were being sarcastic in an attempt to be funny. good try. Thanks. -- -S |
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