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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
Andre Jute wrote:
Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Here's a big secret. A thoughtfully designed van has super aerodynamics. This is because the centre of aerodynamic pressure starts so far back and keeps moving back as it picks up speed. The Kombi, for instance, had a CdA in the same bracket as a Jaguar E-type but in some conditions it had superior handling because, for instance, longitudinal corner radii were smaller. Andre Jute Author of Designing and Constructing Special Cars published by Batsford in London and Bentley in Boston, several other editions. ROFL the original Kombi had a Cd of 0.76, later versions improved to 0.42, the E-type had a Cd of around 0.3 (depending on the model and which source you believe). It gets even worse when you compare the CdA, the Kombi had a far greater frontal area than the Jag. You're a funny little man, Keefie. And sweetly trusting too if you believe the Jaguar E-Type had a Cd of 0.3. But those not so unworldly as you know that manufacturers and others lied a lot in those days before the German TUV nailed their feet to the floor after the coming of the EU. Those with more experience than you needed to take only one look at certain design details (the junction of bonnet and windscreen for instance) to know the E-type as an aerodynamic artifact was more pose than reality. Thats strange Andre, at the time of the release of the e-type, I was working with a whole bunch of aerodynamicists, none of whom seemed to hold that view. They had critisisms of course, but if you suggested to them that the Kombi was just as good, they'd have laughed you off the site. This wasn't some tinpot outfit either, some of our wind tunnels are still in use 40 years on by Formula 1 teams. I don't know what happened to the others, but as they went up to mach 5 they were kind of specialised. Of course, I didn't get to be an expert by listening to bar-room gossip, as you did. I did my homework We only have your word that you are actually an expert on anything On a single day I took four first series E-types straight off the showroom floor at Robb Motors, and drove them flat out on the same piece of road with the RAC timing the venture. The fastest went 138mph, the slowest 131mph. (The 150mph ones lent to the press were specially prepared as if for racing.) From there you can work out. All you have is to do measure the frontal area and put the engine on a rolling road dynometer to get the actual horses at the rear wheels (note that in the 1960s Jaguar engines straight off the production line could vary in power by as much as 15%). I did exactly that. Simple, straightforward, direct. Of course you did Andre, I am surprised that Sir William Lyons didn't invite you to the factory to test the prototypes. You can get the formula from my book. The answer you will get is that the Cd of the Jaguar E-type is well over 0.4. To believe as you do, that Malcolm Sayers, great as he was, designed an 0.3Cd shape without the aid of a wind tunnel, simply displays your innocence or your ignorance. Aerodynamic efficiency isn't about the slippery shapes of schoolboy wet dreams but about attention to detail, a strictly engineering venture. For instances compare the tanklike Volvo 760GLE Cd 0.40, the slippery-smooth Porsche 928 Cd 0.41 and the blunt Volkswagen Microbus Cd 0.42 (p36 of Designing and Building Special Cars by Andre Jute). As for a Kombi handling better than the Jag, the Jag was never the best handling car of it's era, but surely you are joking, I drove a 140mph VW Kombi for several months, and had several E-types too (because they were so beautiful) though I never kept them long (because they were rubbish to drive). Did you? No, I didn't think so. Having owned a Kombi which some previous owner had, for reasons best known to himself, sunk considerable cash into tuning, I'd say that your claim to driving one at 140mph indicates one of 3 things, you are a liar, you had a death wish or you have no imagination at all. after all you do claim to be an expert on the subject Nah, you're the one doing the claiming. I'm the one with actual experience of the 140mph Kombi and the E-types. or so you say (and on every other subject really). Did you ever own an E-type or drive one in a hurry? Or a 140mph Kombi? I never had the slightest desire to own an e-type, it was a middle age crisis on wheels and a teenage wet dream. My taste went more to the Lotus Super 7, a real sports car. I have however driven a Kombi fast and it was a scary experience. The Kombi was useful for ferrying a lot of people around and taking rubbish to the tip, I was not sad to see the end of it. Seems to me that you're projecting your failures onto me, Keefie. On subjects on which I'm ignorant I'm silent. Take a tip and shut up occasionally. You could learn something if your mouth isn't interfering with your ears. I didn't realise that you were ignorant on any subject Andre, according to you, you have done everything and been everywhere (before anybody else knew it was there) and have the T-shirt (hand made of pure silk by Pierre Cardin (before he was famous) of course). Like the old joke says "Anybody who believes that the Germans have no sense of humour has never driven a Kombi in a side wind". How does that halftruth about Kombis make the handling of an E-type better? You're wanking, Keefie. I say again, I had a 140mph Kombi, and the more people you put in it the faster you could drive it. But you're too dumb and too self-important to ask me the relevant questions rather than blustering in your doomed effort to inflate your own importance. Self important Andre? You do have such a delicious sense of irony Keith Who? Keith, is your comprehension really that bad? |
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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
Andre Jute wrote:
The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Keith |
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On Sep 12, 3:32*am, Keithr wrote:
A talent for electronics engineering? Absolutely! And if he keeps at it long enough, he might actually discover the limits of those talents. Were he to survive the experience, I am sure we will be reading of it here as an illustration of his ability to discern and survive subtle threats and sabotage. Otherwise, the litany of defects in his equipment suggests that whereas his engineering talents may be fully realized, his care-and- feeding talents are sadly lacking. Silly me, I thought that it came the other way around. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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About Quad reliability, etc, was Who should be first to die offin the "energy crisis"?
Andre Jute wrote: On Sep 12, 1:49 am, Patrick Turner wrote: Andre Jute wrote: On Sep 11, 2:29 am, Jay Beattie wrote: On Sep 10, 12:19 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Andre Jute wrote: My QUAD gear just keeps soldiering on. Of course there are repairs. Well, at least all their gear can be repaired! One of my electrostats needs new panel for the second time in about twenty years, one of my 405 Mk II (which in the 1970s stood switched on at the BBC in Nottingham for a several years on end and has worked faultlessly since) needs to be recapped, my 34 pre-amp has lost a channel after about thirty years. The majority of ESL57 here have stuffed panels if they have never been repaired. keeping them working is a challenge. Repair costs are high, but that's a smal price against buying new ESL. I get a jaundiced idea about reliability because I take in so many stuffed amps to fix. Plenty of tubed and SS Quads have landed on my desk.... Oh, and it may have been less alarming to mention to readers that 600V at electrostatic headphones would have been at an extremely low current. However, the source resistance is low, and contact with AC signals at high voltages from amp anodes or from step up transformers could be lethal, but of little concern if there is good enough insulation that would keep the most sceptical engineer happy. I know some guys talking of driving their electrostatic earphones with 845. I tell them to calm down... It's over the top. Yeah, i'd agree. I have ppl buying oddball speakers, long ribbons from Ambience, hybrid horns with bass reflex bass units, and ppl buy then for the fun value. I just heard this pair of speakers with 99dB efficient Eminance 15" bass drivers with mid horns for 1.2kHz to maybe 5kHz, and a tweeter horn in the middle of a large flat baffle. The guy had changed from things with normal Scan drivers, but methinks the bass isn't foundational enough, and probably because its not a terribly technical person who made the speakers. Each unto his own..... If he wants to send me one of his big tube amps, I'll put it to good use -- and heat my study this winter. -- Jay Beattie. Problem with a big tube amp is that it is such a lethal item that you cannot in good conscience give it away. I broke up my Millennium's End kilovolt SV572-3 and -10 amp, an 80W SE monster, because the umbilicals between the units were clearly illegal and the units couldn't be combined since just the mains and output transformers weighed a quarter-ton. (Mind you, it is by far not the heaviest hifi I ever designed. An Italian chum sits literally in the mouth of a big horn I designed to be built from several tons of prestressed concrete.) Audiophiles are notorious for changing things in their system which means selling one bit of gear they get sick of and buying a replacement. The more money they earn, the faster the rate of gear change. Its like as if they'd never go back to the same gal at the brothel, and are continually "upgrading" the choice of girls to get the better BJ. So what were one audiophile's umbilicals might soon become another owned by another audiophile. Illegality of umbilicals never ever prevented audiophiles buying the most attrociously designed amplifiers, even those with umbilicals that are sub-standard. Its because some makers did make lethal umbilicals that it became the law that umbilicals were banned entirely. I'm not so sure about that, Patrick. I think European lawmakers are such a nanny-state onto themselves, they just picked on umbilicals as potentially dangerous. They go to extraordinary lengths to protect people against even the tiniest danger. They seek a risk-free society... Law makers must be seen to be doing something... I do wonder how many were killed or shocked though. Not many I guess, but the law is sometimes over zealous, and laws are made for the sake of lkeeping law makers employed. Quad had umbilicals for the Quad-II amps to Quad 22 control unit, and other bits of attatched gear such as AM and FM tuners. I doubt Quad killed anyone. Never heard of a single case, and you can bet we would have. Yes, and amplifiers are "non prescribed items in Oz" Nobody has ever been killed by an amp, so presribed regulation as applies to toasters and water heaters has not been applied to amps. Probably it will change, and if I get caught selling anything, they root all the money out of me. Walker could be very bad tempered when production quality sagged at a factory though. Get out of the way, he might kill ya.... You say to an audiophile, "THIS WILL KILL YOU" in a stern slow loud voice, and they just smile. Its never gonna happen, to them. Often they encourage the arrival of the Grim Reaper by plugging in things wrongly, after breaking off locating spigots on octal plugs, leaving things not plugged in right, and if there's a way some **** could happen, then an audiophile will find it without setting out to find it. No matter you one tries to educate them about the basics of electronics, it goes in one ear and out the other. Transparent sound? I am forced into making amps with umbilicals. There isn't an easier other way that is affordable. You see, if you want 50+ watts from apair of 845, then the audio circuit will weigh at least 25Kg before it begins to sound well and was worth the wait while it was made, and the weight of inconvenience. The power supply, if its worth owning, will weigh at least 20Kg. Just for one channel. If you don't use umbilicals, the weight becomes well over the maximum unit weight of things that can be lifted by a person I thought for a while of building the bigger amps in a layered format, like a tea trolley, because I tend to keep my audio gear on wheeled computer tables anyway, but considerations of upending it for service, and unwillingness to reach in under a shelf when there could be a kilovolt lurking on a 50uF cap, dissuaded me. The truth is that huge SE amps don't truly sound better than small ones. The smart audiophile looks to his speakers first, and only then to his amp. Yeah, 845 amps are a bit bitey. They do sound well though. But I've achieved good results with beam tetrodes and 400V. safely under the laws governing workplace safety. The standard bag of cement once weighed 40Kg, and there were 25 bags to the tonne. This bag weight ruined many a buiding worker's health, and caused untold compensation payouts for back injuries, both genuine and feined. I recall carrying two such bags at a time over short distance though, and that was my own weight. Now the bag weight is 20Kg, and most healthy ppl can easily handle that even if they are the age of the average audiophile, 55, and overweight and grossly unfit from sitting in front of speakers for too long. The alternative is to have modular plug in chassis units so the only way they can be operated is if they are stacked on top of each other, with the top unit being the hot one with tubes, bottom one with cool silicon diodes and CLC filters, and a socket placed so the top amp chassis plugs downwards into the bottom chassis with power supply. No cables. This means a more expensive and elaborate two chassis design, and all the audiophiles I know are penny pinching whingers about prices. And I'm not so sure at all the lawmakers will love you for that one either. Well, I make about 1 amp a year. If I made 10,000 amps, there is 10,000 times the risk than someone will try to sue me over something. And once they try Shimano SORA very low cost entry level index gearing, they never go back to lever on the down tube gear changing. Campagnolo is nice to own, but I like the cheap 8 speed Shimano well. I have cheap (by roadie standards) Shimano Nexus 8 and more expensive Cyber Nexus 8 speed, and I love them. I don't pine for Campy. I ride to just ride, and posing with a $6,000 bicycle and $500 worth of latest lycra with TDF team logos ain't my scene. He,he, I pass all these old guys who have spent $6,000. I'm on 20+ yr old 531 and 753R frames, 32 spoke wheels, and push 2 more Kg than they do. I get there faster. Only the young blokes are hard to keep up with sometimes, if they are club riders and train more than I do. Patrick Turner. |
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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
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wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? Enquiring minds want to know. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
John Byrns wrote:
In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Keith |
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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
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wrote: John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Your post gave the impression that you knew what ""electronics engineering" is, I guess that was an erroneous assumption on my part. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
On Sep 13, 1:13*am, John Byrns wrote:
In article , Keithr wrote: John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? *Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Your post gave the impression that you knew what ""electronics engineering" is, I guess that was an erroneous assumption on my part. Yeah, I was sitting here waiting for Keefie to tell us how he built an SE300A amp in day-release appie class before there was even a 300B such as that youngster Jute loves so much. Keith is just another superannuated loudmouth like Worthless Wiecky. We're never going to get any specifics out of him, only vapid, generalized muttering. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/ Sigh. Every year the workers get fewer and the whiners multiply. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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On Sep 12, 7:44*pm, Keithr wrote:
John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? *Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Keith- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Keith: Arguing with Mr. Byrns is futile. He is pretty much Andre's permanent latrine orderly and lives to leap up in defense of his lord and master. In general, he is a very knowledgeable individual with not inconsiderable skills but rather than using his knowledge for anything useful, lately he trolls various newsgroups hunting for obscure points he can argue over and exceptions he can use to prove his superior worthiness. Much the same way as Mr. Jute but without the verbal skills or colossal arrogance. He also rears up like a raped spinster when called on his activity or makes smug, meaningless remarks rather than actually make a point. Altogether an odious individual - who years ago actually participated in these same groups in a meaningful way. Now he more or less mumbles in a dark room somewhere until his Andre paints himself too far into a corner. Then he shambles out and makes posts such as the one you answered. He is in my killfile, I only see his posts via collateral damage - someone ignorant or silly enough to take him up on his challenges - such as they are. You will learn. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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John Byrns wrote:
In article , Keithr wrote: John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Your post gave the impression that you knew what ""electronics engineering" is, I guess that was an erroneous assumption on my part. Oh dear, another little pedant. Personally I would refer to it as electonic engineering as would most people who actually work in it. There is a reasonable definition below that you could have looked up yourself although I would say that electrical engineering was more about power distribution systems, whereas electronic engineering is about signal processing and control systems. There are many specialised branches of electronic engineering such as those concerned with communications, computing, process control etc. Some of us have made a career there, but most here only dabble on the fringes. Keith Electronic engineering is a discipline dealing with the behavior and effects of electrons (as in electron tubes and transistors) and with electronic devices, systems, or equipment. The term now also covers a large part of electrical engineering degree courses as studied at most European universities. In the U.S., however, electrical engineering implies all the wide electrical disciplines including electronics. In many areas, electronic engineering is considered to be at the same level as electrical engineering, requiring that more general programmes be called electrical and electronic engineering (many UK universities have departments of Electronic and Electrical Engineering). Both define a broad field that encompasses many subfields including those that deal with power, instrumentation engineering, telecommunications, and semiconductor circuit design amongst many others. |
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Who should be first to die off in the "energy crisis"?
Andre Jute wrote:
On Sep 13, 1:13 am, John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Your post gave the impression that you knew what ""electronics engineering" is, I guess that was an erroneous assumption on my part. Yeah, I was sitting here waiting for Keefie to tell us how he built an SE300A amp in day-release appie class before there was even a 300B such as that youngster Jute loves so much. Keith is just another superannuated loudmouth like Worthless Wiecky. We're never going to get any specifics out of him, only vapid, generalized muttering. Explain, if you would, Jutie why designing a 300B amplifier should be any different to using any other tube. Most of the stuff that I built was firstly based on the 6V6 then EL84 and finally the KT88 as my finances improved, apprentices weren't paid much. Then I got a job doing proper electronic engineering and lost interest in simple stuff like that. We would have laughed at anybody using 1920s technology like the 300B. Most of the mistique surrounding tubes like the 300B is pure affectation and snobbery anyway. Keith |
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On Sep 13, 5:06*am, Keithr wrote:
John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: John Byrns wrote: In article , Keithr wrote: Andre Jute wrote: The truth is I'm not an audiophile all, merely a music lover with a talent for electronics engineering. ROFL, Jute you are dangerous, I nearly exploded a mouthful of coffee all over my keyboard when I read that. The stuff that you have proudly boasted of is of the standard that we were given as 3rd year appentices for homework. A talent for electronics engineering? My god, you were the one that was proud of being able to build a multimenter from a kit! I don't think that you understand what electronics engineering is. Could you please explain exactly what this "electronics engineering" is that you are speaking of? *Enquiring minds want to know. You'd have to ask the Jute, I just did a cut and paste from his post - I didn't want to misquote him Your post gave the impression that you knew what ""electronics engineering" is, I guess that was an erroneous assumption on my part. Oh dear, another little pedant. Personally I would refer to it as electonic engineering as would most people who actually work in it. There is a reasonable definition below that you could have looked up yourself although I would say that electrical engineering was more about power distribution systems, whereas electronic engineering is about signal processing and control systems. There are many specialised branches of electronic engineering such as those concerned with communications, computing, process control etc. Some of us have made a career there, but most here only dabble on the fringes. Keith Electronic engineering is a discipline dealing with the behavior and effects of electrons (as in electron tubes and transistors) and with electronic devices, systems, or equipment. The term now also covers a large part of electrical engineering degree courses as studied at most European universities. In the U.S., however, electrical engineering implies all the wide electrical disciplines including electronics. In many areas, electronic engineering is considered to be at the same level as electrical engineering, requiring that more general programmes be called electrical and electronic engineering (many UK universities have departments of Electronic and Electrical Engineering). Both define a broad field that encompasses many subfields including those that deal with power, instrumentation engineering, telecommunications, and semiconductor circuit design amongst many others. Pedantic, dull, duller, posted by "keithr", dead. Progressively yours, Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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Andre Jute wrote:
Pedantic, dull, duller, posted by "keithr", dead. Progressively yours, Andre Jute Andre Jute so predictable and always disapointing. |
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