Hello everyone,

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio, and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of
unbalanced connector shouldn't be difficult at all.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.
Help!

It may be the same as used by Digidesign for their 192.. if so download the
manual for the 192 from their web site.. it has a wiring diagram.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


"Al" wrote in message
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Hello everyone,

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio, and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of
unbalanced connector shouldn't be difficult at all.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.
Help!

It may be the same as used by Digidesign for their 192.. if so download the
manual for the 192 from their web site.. it has a wiring diagram.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


"Al" wrote in message
m...
Hello everyone,

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio, and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of
unbalanced connector shouldn't be difficult at all.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.
Help!

"Al" wrote in message
m

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

....but hopefully with the interface box. The 1010 card is pretty useless
without the interface box because the converters are in the interface box.

OTOH, if you are talking 1010LT, then that cable is passive. But the 101LT
cable connector has a lot more than 25 pins - more like 44 (rough count).

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio,

I wasn't aware that M-Audio had a standard for this kind of cable. If they
do, its probably straight-through. But, I don't know what the pairing is,
off-hand. Even straight-though cables aren't necessarily generic or
standard.

and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of unbalanced connector
shouldn't be difficult at all.

AFAIK, the connection between a Delta 1010 interface box and the sound card
is 100% digital. I don't know how balanced or unbalanced would relate to
that.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.

I have a 1010 if that is any help, but its at a remote site.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"Al" wrote in message
m

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

...but hopefully with the interface box. The 1010 card is pretty useless
without the interface box because the converters are in the interface box.

OTOH, if you are talking 1010LT, then that cable is passive. But the 101LT
cable connector has a lot more than 25 pins - more like 44 (rough count).

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio,

I wasn't aware that M-Audio had a standard for this kind of cable. If they
do, its probably straight-through. But, I don't know what the pairing is,
off-hand. Even straight-though cables aren't necessarily generic or
standard.

and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of unbalanced connector
shouldn't be difficult at all.

AFAIK, the connection between a Delta 1010 interface box and the sound card
is 100% digital. I don't know how balanced or unbalanced would relate to
that.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.

I have a 1010 if that is any help, but its at a remote site.

Arny,

Do you have any experience with running longer cables from the PCI
card to the breakout box?

I think M-Audio says a max of around 12 feet, I've got about a 15
footer with no problems, but I relocated the rack the breakout box was
in and to get the cable out of the way I'd really need to run about 20
feet.

Analogeezer

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Al" wrote in message
m

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

...but hopefully with the interface box. The 1010 card is pretty
useless without the interface box because the converters are in the
interface box.

OTOH, if you are talking 1010LT, then that cable is passive. But the
101LT cable connector has a lot more than 25 pins - more like 44
(rough count).

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta
is
standard M-Audio,

I wasn't aware that M-Audio had a standard for this kind of cable.
If they do, its probably straight-through. But, I don't know what
the pairing is, off-hand. Even straight-though cables aren't
necessarily generic or standard.

and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of unbalanced
connector
shouldn't be difficult at all.

AFAIK, the connection between a Delta 1010 interface box and the
sound card is 100% digital. I don't know how balanced or unbalanced
would relate to that.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.

I have a 1010 if that is any help, but its at a remote site.

Do you have any experience with running longer cables from the PCI
card to the breakout box?

Sorry, no.

I suspect that the cable is transmitting an internal interface that is
TTL-based, so capacitance is probably more of an issue than resistance. Both
can be managed if you can select the cable wiring carefully. Of course, few
who have ever done so, actually want to go out of their way to solder up the
cable for themselves. 25 and even 50 foot cables have worked for PC
printers which also have a TTL interface, but that is probably a far slower
signal.

I think M-Audio says a max of around 12 feet, I've got about a 15
footer with no problems, but I relocated the rack the breakout box was
in and to get the cable out of the way I'd really need to run about 20
feet.

Were it up to me, I'd just run a longer analog snake from the interface
box to the console or wherever the mic preamps are. I see no special joy in
having the interface box near the source. It's basically a set-and-forget
thingie, anyhow.

BTW I just picked up a 1010LT to expand from 12 to 16 channels by replacing
my Delta 66. The Delta 66's unbalanced inputs seem to be working well, so
why not? In this case there's nothing but analog to extend, and my plan is
to cut 4 12' RS "Gold" RCAs in half, and solder on TRS plugs wired to bridge
the inserts on the host SR-32.

If you haven't noticed, M-Audio has a pretty good discount sale going on
most of the Delta series, including both flavors of the 1010.

"Analogeezer" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Al" wrote in message
m

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

...but hopefully with the interface box. The 1010 card is pretty
useless without the interface box because the converters are in the
interface box.

OTOH, if you are talking 1010LT, then that cable is passive. But the
101LT cable connector has a lot more than 25 pins - more like 44
(rough count).

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta
is
standard M-Audio,

I wasn't aware that M-Audio had a standard for this kind of cable.
If they do, its probably straight-through. But, I don't know what
the pairing is, off-hand. Even straight-though cables aren't
necessarily generic or standard.

and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of unbalanced
connector
shouldn't be difficult at all.

AFAIK, the connection between a Delta 1010 interface box and the
sound card is 100% digital. I don't know how balanced or unbalanced
would relate to that.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.

I have a 1010 if that is any help, but its at a remote site.

Do you have any experience with running longer cables from the PCI
card to the breakout box?

Sorry, no.

I suspect that the cable is transmitting an internal interface that is
TTL-based, so capacitance is probably more of an issue than resistance. Both
can be managed if you can select the cable wiring carefully. Of course, few
who have ever done so, actually want to go out of their way to solder up the
cable for themselves. 25 and even 50 foot cables have worked for PC
printers which also have a TTL interface, but that is probably a far slower
signal.

I think M-Audio says a max of around 12 feet, I've got about a 15
footer with no problems, but I relocated the rack the breakout box was
in and to get the cable out of the way I'd really need to run about 20
feet.

Were it up to me, I'd just run a longer analog snake from the interface
box to the console or wherever the mic preamps are. I see no special joy in
having the interface box near the source. It's basically a set-and-forget
thingie, anyhow.

BTW I just picked up a 1010LT to expand from 12 to 16 channels by replacing
my Delta 66. The Delta 66's unbalanced inputs seem to be working well, so
why not? In this case there's nothing but analog to extend, and my plan is
to cut 4 12' RS "Gold" RCAs in half, and solder on TRS plugs wired to bridge
the inserts on the host SR-32.

If you haven't noticed, M-Audio has a pretty good discount sale going on
most of the Delta series, including both flavors of the 1010.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"Al" wrote in message
m

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

...but hopefully with the interface box. The 1010 card is pretty useless
without the interface box because the converters are in the interface box.

OTOH, if you are talking 1010LT, then that cable is passive. But the 101LT
cable connector has a lot more than 25 pins - more like 44 (rough count).

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio,

I wasn't aware that M-Audio had a standard for this kind of cable. If they
do, its probably straight-through. But, I don't know what the pairing is,
off-hand. Even straight-though cables aren't necessarily generic or
standard.

and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of unbalanced connector
shouldn't be difficult at all.

AFAIK, the connection between a Delta 1010 interface box and the sound card
is 100% digital. I don't know how balanced or unbalanced would relate to
that.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.

I have a 1010 if that is any help, but its at a remote site.

Arny,

Do you have any experience with running longer cables from the PCI
card to the breakout box?

I think M-Audio says a max of around 12 feet, I've got about a 15
footer with no problems, but I relocated the rack the breakout box was
in and to get the cable out of the way I'd really need to run about 20
feet.

Analogeezer

"Al" wrote in message
m

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

....but hopefully with the interface box. The 1010 card is pretty useless
without the interface box because the converters are in the interface box.

OTOH, if you are talking 1010LT, then that cable is passive. But the 101LT
cable connector has a lot more than 25 pins - more like 44 (rough count).

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio,

I wasn't aware that M-Audio had a standard for this kind of cable. If they
do, its probably straight-through. But, I don't know what the pairing is,
off-hand. Even straight-though cables aren't necessarily generic or
standard.

and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of unbalanced connector
shouldn't be difficult at all.

AFAIK, the connection between a Delta 1010 interface box and the sound card
is 100% digital. I don't know how balanced or unbalanced would relate to
that.

Anyone have any links to help? I can't find any for the life of me.

I have a 1010 if that is any help, but its at a remote site.

In article writes:

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio,

There are a few industry standards for wiring this sort of cable and
I've never heard M-Audio being mentioned as compatible with one. In
fact, are you sure it's a DB-25 connector? I don't see how they can
get 8 balanced and 8 unbalanced audio lines plus MIDI and word clock
through 25 pins even if they don't run separate grounds.

I'm also not sure that the breakout box is totally passive. There may
be something in there other than connectors. You definitely should
call M-Audio and ask them about this.

Here's a better idea. Tell the seller to give you the breakout box.
It's no good to him without the interface, and the interface may be
useless to you without the breakout box. You may want to reconsider
this purchase.


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In article writes:

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio,

There are a few industry standards for wiring this sort of cable and
I've never heard M-Audio being mentioned as compatible with one. In
fact, are you sure it's a DB-25 connector? I don't see how they can
get 8 balanced and 8 unbalanced audio lines plus MIDI and word clock
through 25 pins even if they don't run separate grounds.

I'm also not sure that the breakout box is totally passive. There may
be something in there other than connectors. You definitely should
call M-Audio and ask them about this.

Here's a better idea. Tell the seller to give you the breakout box.
It's no good to him without the interface, and the interface may be
useless to you without the breakout box. You may want to reconsider
this purchase.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Al" wrote in message
m...
Hello everyone,

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio, and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of
unbalanced connector shouldn't be difficult at all.

Last time I checked it wasn't a DB25 connector. However the proper connector
is available if you look hard enough, and I can't see any reason not to make
your own rather than use extension leads with the original.

TonyP.

"Al" wrote in message
m...
Hello everyone,

considering buying a soundcard (Delta 1010) without the breakout
cable.

As far as I know, this DB-25 pin connector on the back of the Delta is
standard M-Audio, and wiring my own up to RCA or even my own choice of
unbalanced connector shouldn't be difficult at all.

Last time I checked it wasn't a DB25 connector. However the proper connector
is available if you look hard enough, and I can't see any reason not to make
your own rather than use extension leads with the original.

TonyP.

In article writes:

Sorry all for not being more precise. I'm looking at buying a 1010LT
(the one with RCA connectors) but it doesn't come with the connector
cable.

Why? Why don't you look for one that has the cable? Every one that
M-Audio sells comes with the cable. Where's the cable for the one you
want to buy? Still at the studio the computer was stolen from perhaps?
I'd be careful about buying an incomplete product that's still in
production and selling new.

Any ideas on how to build this? I am looking for a pin-out diagram or
some method to find out using basic audio tools.

If you really want to know, contact M-Audio. Ask them how much it
costs to buy one, and if the cost of the cable plus whatever you can
buy the card for is more than a new 1010LT (or more than you want to
pay for one) then pass it up and wait for a better deal.

I'm really determined to do this as I would build a little patchbay as
an external plate for the soundcard instead of re-creating 16 RCA
connectors.

That's actually not a bad idea. If you had the origial cable, you
could trace it out and make a patchbay equivalent. But if you have
found one to buy without the cable, I'd be careful for reasons other
than that you don't know how to connect it to the real world.



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I'm really Mike Rivers )
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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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In article writes:

Sorry all for not being more precise. I'm looking at buying a 1010LT
(the one with RCA connectors) but it doesn't come with the connector
cable.

Why? Why don't you look for one that has the cable? Every one that
M-Audio sells comes with the cable. Where's the cable for the one you
want to buy? Still at the studio the computer was stolen from perhaps?
I'd be careful about buying an incomplete product that's still in
production and selling new.

Any ideas on how to build this? I am looking for a pin-out diagram or
some method to find out using basic audio tools.

If you really want to know, contact M-Audio. Ask them how much it
costs to buy one, and if the cost of the cable plus whatever you can
buy the card for is more than a new 1010LT (or more than you want to
pay for one) then pass it up and wait for a better deal.

I'm really determined to do this as I would build a little patchbay as
an external plate for the soundcard instead of re-creating 16 RCA
connectors.

That's actually not a bad idea. If you had the origial cable, you
could trace it out and make a patchbay equivalent. But if you have
found one to buy without the cable, I'd be careful for reasons other
than that you don't know how to connect it to the real world.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo