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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Thread title is self-explanatory.
The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Graham |
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On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Eeyore
wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Graham For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get something different. Rupert |
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Rupert wrote: Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get something different. Because the rig needs to be in working order, we'll probably buy a replacement tomorrow. However it would be useful to have a working spare. Graham |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... Rupert wrote: Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get something different. Because the rig needs to be in working order, we'll probably buy a replacement tomorrow. However it would be useful to have a working spare. Graham Authorised Behringer Service Cent http://www.prolineaudio.co.uk/ Gareth. |
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message Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. In the US, the CX3400 sells for about $130. Most professional service operations charge $60 or more per hour, often more like twice that. Just getting an estimate will cost about the same or more than the piece is worth as used equipment. And if you fix it, its value goes from zero to about the same as what you paid to fix it, which is the same as the cost for a used but working version of it. This leads to the question, why ever fix it? The logical question is whether you buy new, buy something more expensive, or buy used. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. At the price points of Behringer's lower cost products, the only time you repair them is in warranty, if you can do it at Behringer's expense. |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted Behringer schematics online. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. You claim you are some sort of deity in the world of audio design yet something as simple as that is beyond you? Go figure. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. You have to be kidding me !?!?!? Behringer's customer service is the best in the industry. You are just carrying on your psychotic vendetta against them because they put your employer out of business leaving you out of a job. Go back to stealing other people's designs and passing them off as your own. Phildo |
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"Phildo" wrote in message ... On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted Behringer schematics online. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. You claim you are some sort of deity in the world of audio design yet something as simple as that is beyond you? Go figure. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. have you looked in the manual , the service centers are listed there Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. yup way beyond you the package a one rack unit for post with out factory box it simply can't be done can it, ****tard Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. and what exactly was behringers responce when you contacted them for a ra number? the only weak point in this chain is you call behringer they will resolve this issue thier service is way above yours they will fix the unit while you p[erfer to let the unit remain out of service because your too ****ing lazy to properly follow the service procedure your a ****tard george |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Eeyore wrote:
Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good, you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's something common to both LF outputs. Check the supply voltages on all of the op-amps, then start looking at the switch. Since you're looking for something that is common to both channels, you have only a limited number of things to check. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, but they do not want you fixing your own gear. They want you to send it to them, but they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. The stuff is disposable and not really intended for easy repair, too. I mean, my hourly bench fee is about the cost of a new one. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Gareth Magennis wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Rupert wrote Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Mind you, with the packaging long ago thrown away, it's not very practical to send it the length of the country. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. For a cheap piece of kit like that I'd send it off to an ewaste recycler and get another. Maybe even up the budget a little and get something different. Because the rig needs to be in working order, we'll probably buy a replacement tomorrow. However it would be useful to have a working spare. Authorised Behringer Service Cent http://www.prolineaudio.co.uk/ Thanks. I've spoken to them. They reckon £20-30 which doesn't totally surprise me but seems a lot for an op-amp replacement if that's all it is which I sort of suspect. Then there's the carriage either way on top. It makes an authorised repair look costly when you can buy the 2 way CX2310 (which is all that's needed) for £61.50 new. Graham |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. In the US, the CX3400 sells for about $130. Most professional service operations charge $60 or more per hour, often more like twice that. Just getting an estimate will cost about the same or more than the piece is worth as used equipment. And if you fix it, its value goes from zero to about the same as what you paid to fix it, which is the same as the cost for a used but working version of it. This leads to the question, why ever fix it? Because I hate to see waste. Besides, with a schematic I could probably fix it inside 20-30 minutes which costs very little. See also my response to Gareth. Graham |
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Phildo wrote: Eeyore wrote Thread title is self-explanatory. This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted Behringer schematics online. THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON ! Graham |
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Scott Dorsey = Utter ****head Moron
"Scott Dorsey Utter ****head Moron " "Eeysore" Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, ** There is simply ZERO " service support " from Behringer. The vast majority of pro-audio suppliers provide good service support. Learn to *** read** you POSTURING ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!! but they do not want you fixing your own gear. ** Asinine bull**** red-herring. Behringer have no right WHATEVER to determine who is allowed to repair the items they sell. Only NAZIS think like Behringer. They want you to send it to them, but they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. ** ******** !!!!!!! Most folk's experience is the direct OPPOSITE !! Particularly any living outside the USA. The stuff is disposable and not really intended for easy repair, too. ** Refusing to supply schems and spares makes the merely hard into IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ****WIT YANK ****HEAD ........ Phil |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good, you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's something common to both LF outputs. My suspicion is something like an op-amp in the filter network that's died. Identifying the right parts to probe from a schematic would make that task a lot, lot easier, as it would for tracing the signal through the unit. Check the supply voltages on all of the op-amps, then start looking at the switch. Since you're looking for something that is common to both channels, you have only a limited number of things to check. Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, but they do not want you fixing your own gear. They want you to send it to them, but they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. The stuff is disposable and not really intended for easy repair, too. I mean, my hourly bench fee is about the cost of a new one. The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. Graham |
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Eeyore wrote:
Phildo wrote: Eeyore wrote Thread title is self-explanatory. This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted Behringer schematics online. THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON ! *Any* schematic is copyright of the designer/ manufacturer of the equipment, unless specifically released into the public domain. Similarly, any electronic design is copyright of the designer and may also be the subject of patents, & any attempt to examine the finished product and publish the resulting schematic is breach of that copyright and/ or that patent. There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support copyright and patent laws. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
"John Williamson" *Any* schematic is copyright of the designer/ manufacturer of the equipment, unless specifically released into the public domain. ** Copyright laws allow for " fair usage " . Schematics are intended as service aids for those in a position to make use of them. So publication of one on a technical NG or web forum for the purpose of discussion is ** fair usage**. Similarly, any electronic design is copyright of the designer ** Nonsense. and may also be the subject of patents, ** Extraordinarily unlikely. & any attempt to examine the finished product and publish the resulting schematic is breach of that copyright and/ or that patent. ** COMPLETE ******** !!!!!!!!!! Any schem you generate yourself is copyright to YOU !! The word " patent " means to ** REVEAL **. YOU RIDICULOUS ASS !! There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support copyright and patent laws. ** None to support your asinine conclusions. Tciao for Now! ** Drop dead. John the Jerkoff ...... Phil |
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Eeyore wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good, you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's something common to both LF outputs. My suspicion is something like an op-amp in the filter network that's died. Identifying the right parts to probe from a schematic would make that task a lot, lot easier, as it would for tracing the signal through the unit. Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks. There will only be a couple op-amps in the whole low-pass network. Bad op-amps are a possibility but I would check the switch or pot that sets the turnover frequency before doing anything. Look at the supply voltages with a really good voltmeter. Look for an op-amp whose supply voltage is different than the others. This can either be because the trace resistance is dramatically different OR because the op-amp is pulling more or less current than the others. An op-amp that is pulling a different amount of current is bad. I have a tendency just to go through and socket all the op-amps in gear like this, to make future repair much easier. The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic for your cellphone or MP3 player either. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey Geriatric ****ing Moron " I have a tendency just to go through and socket all the op-amps in gear like this, to make future repair much easier. ** Sockets for SMD op-amps ?? Get them from the same store that sells bicycles to fish, I suppose. ....... Phil |
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Scott Dorsey = Utter ****head Moron
Hey Phil,
Once you get back on your medication maybe you'll consider keeping your vile verbiage inside your post instead of in the subject line. At least that way we won't be inflicted by that miserably painful experience you call your life. Thanks Ty Ford On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:23:57 -0400, Phil Allison wrote (in article ): "Scott Dorsey Utter ****head Moron " "Eeysore" Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, ** There is simply ZERO " service support " from Behringer. The vast majority of pro-audio suppliers provide good service support. Learn to *** read** you POSTURING ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!! but they do not want you fixing your own gear. ** Asinine bull**** red-herring. Behringer have no right WHATEVER to determine who is allowed to repair the items they sell. Only NAZIS think like Behringer. They want you to send it to them, but they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. ** ******** !!!!!!! Most folk's experience is the direct OPPOSITE !! Particularly any living outside the USA. The stuff is disposable and not really intended for easy repair, too. ** Refusing to supply schems and spares makes the merely hard into IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ****WIT YANK ****HEAD ....... Phil --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU |
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Scott Dorsey = Utter ****head Moron
"Ty Ford"
Hey Phil, ** Never "hey" me - you pile of sub haman ASD ****ed, top posting CRIMINAL DUNG !!!!!!! Do the whole planet a favour, top yourself now. ........ Phil "Scott Dorsey Utter ****head Moron " "Eeysore" Poor service support is definitely Behringer's achilles heel. Actually, the support in the US seems to be excellent, ** There is simply ZERO " service support " from Behringer. The vast majority of pro-audio suppliers provide good service support. Learn to *** read** you POSTURING ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!! but they do not want you fixing your own gear. ** Asinine bull**** red-herring. Behringer have no right WHATEVER to determine who is allowed to repair the items they sell. Only NAZIS think like Behringer. They want you to send it to them, but they are reasonable and prompt if you do so. ** ******** !!!!!!! Most folk's experience is the direct OPPOSITE !! Particularly any living outside the USA. The stuff is disposable and not really intended for easy repair, too. ** Refusing to supply schems and spares makes the merely hard into IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ****WIT YANK ****HEAD ....... Phil |
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John Williamson wrote: Eeyore wrote: Phildo wrote: Eeyore wrote Thread title is self-explanatory. This is rich considering you were the one who illegally posted copyrighted Behringer schematics online. THEY ARE NOT COPYRIGHT you illiterate MORON ! *Any* schematic is copyright of the designer/ manufacturer of the equipment, unless specifically released into the public domain. Similarly, any electronic design is copyright of the designer and may also be the subject of patents, & any attempt to examine the finished product and publish the resulting schematic is breach of that copyright and/ or that patent. There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support copyright and patent laws. The law varies from country to country. However since many Behringer products are slavish copies of their competition, I'd like to know how they can claim copyright for something that's not theirs in the first place ! Graham |
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On Sep 26, 9:25 am, Eeyore
wrote: The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their designs.... Will Miho NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: Thread title is self-explanatory. The local venue's crossover has developed a fault where the LF outs are quite distorted. I dare say it would likely be an easy fix but the difficulty of obtaining a schematic is a problem. You can't get one. But if it's BOTH LF outs, and the HF outputs are good, you know it's not the power supply for the whole thing. And you know it's something common to both LF outputs. My suspicion is something like an op-amp in the filter network that's died. Identifying the right parts to probe from a schematic would make that task a lot, lot easier, as it would for tracing the signal through the unit. Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks. On double sided high density SMT pcbs ? Get real Scott ! You should know very well that's not a practical task. 30 years ago or so it was different for sure. You can't do that these days unless you have hours to spare tracing it all out. Graham |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic for your cellphone or MP3 player either. They are sold quite clearly as consumer items not professional. Graham |
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"WillStG" Eeysore The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their designs.... ** ROTFL !! Wot an imbecile. ........ Phil |
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Eeyore wrote:
Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks. On double sided high density SMT pcbs ? Get real Scott ! You should know very well that's not a practical task. 30 years ago or so it was different for sure. You can't do that these days unless you have hours to spare tracing it all out. So buy a Rane AC-22. Two-sided board, through hole DIP construction with standard op-amps, and the schematic is on the website. Only problem with it is that the 1/4" phone jacks are prone to fail and it uses a wall wart. I was originally a little alarmed at the pots used for turnover frequency adjustment, but they actually track very well and hold up well to abuse. It ain't no Sumo or even an Orban but it's not bad at all. For some reason, Rane stuff is distributed by Sennheiser in the UK. There is really no reason to have high-density SMD stuff in something like a simple third or fourth order crossover. There's plenty of space in there. But honestly, even the SMD stuff isn't that hard. The ohmmeter makes it possible to trace lines without even being able to see them. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Eeyore wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic for your cellphone or MP3 player either. They are sold quite clearly as consumer items not professional. So is the Behringer stuff. What you are seeing is the consumer electronics world expanding into the pro audio realm but carrying with it the methods and attitudes of consumer electronics. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey Geriatric ****ing Moron "
They are sold quite clearly as consumer items not professional. So is the Behringer stuff. ** What an evil, monstrous LIE !!!!!!!!!!! "C'est un Nagra. C'est a Pile of Crap " ** So is Scott ****wit Dorsey. ........ Phil |
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"Ty Ford" wrote in message
... Hey Phil, Once you get back on your medication maybe you'll consider keeping your vile verbiage inside your post instead of in the subject line. At least that way we won't be inflicted by that miserably painful experience you call your life. Thanks Ty Ford Congratulations. You must be the last person in the world that hasn't kill-filed Phil;-) Steve King |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
WillStG wrote: Eeyore wrote The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their designs.... LMAO. That IS probably what they're afraid of. Graham |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks. On double sided high density SMT pcbs ? Get real Scott ! You should know very well that's not a practical task. 30 years ago or so it was different for sure. You can't do that these days unless you have hours to spare tracing it all out. So buy a Rane AC-22. Two-sided board, through hole DIP construction with standard op-amps, and the schematic is on the website. Only problem with it is that the 1/4" phone jacks are prone to fail and it uses a wall wart. Aaaargghhh. A wall wart ! That's so unprofessional.. I was originally a little alarmed at the pots used for turnover frequency adjustment, but they actually track very well and hold up well to abuse. It ain't no Sumo or even an Orban but it's not bad at all. For some reason, Rane stuff is distributed by Sennheiser in the UK. There is really no reason to have high-density SMD stuff in something like a simple third or fourth order crossover. There's plenty of space in there. But honestly, even the SMD stuff isn't that hard. The ohmmeter makes it possible to trace lines without even being able to see them. But is still very time consuming. Graham |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Eeyore wrote: The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. This is typical of consumer electronics today. You won't get a schematic for your cellphone or MP3 player either. They are sold quite clearly as consumer items not professional. So is the Behringer stuff. What you are seeing is the consumer electronics world expanding into the pro audio realm but carrying with it the methods and attitudes of consumer electronics. Is that an acceptable reason for them to intentionally withold schematics ? There's a BIG difference. Very little in an mp3 player or cellphone is serviceable. As you clearly understand that's not true of a simple crossover. Graham |
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Does anyone have a schematic for a Behringer CX3400
Eeyore wrote:
There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support copyright and patent laws. The law varies from country to country. However since many Behringer products are slavish copies of their competition, I'd like to know how they can claim copyright for something that's not theirs in the first place ! As far as I know, the details vary, for instance what is fair use in one place is not necessarily fair use in another. The principle remains, though. If I design it, I own the copyright on the design, unless I assign it to another person or company. If I patent it, I publish the design & principle so that others can use the design & principle under licence. As for Behringer stuff being copies of their competition, if it's patented, it can be licenced, otherwise, a "clean room" approach can be used. Admittedly, Behringer may not do this... I would think, though, that just changing one component or dimension *may* result in the courts considering it to be a new design, hence a new copyright now exists for that new design. It depends how good your lawyers are. Most, if not all, IC maufacturers produce reference circuits which can be used by anyone using that IC, so if both places use the same IC, is it not possible they're both using the same reference design? Possibly even modified the same way, even if the design teams are working independently. User interface is a different matter, in that you *could* claim there's only one logical way to lay out the controls. The fact it "just happens" to be the same way as Company X did it a while ago can be quite a field day for the lawyers. Didn't I read somewhere that Behringer were in trouble for copying stuff anyway? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Eeyore wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: So is the Behringer stuff. What you are seeing is the consumer electronics world expanding into the pro audio realm but carrying with it the methods and attitudes of consumer electronics. Is that an acceptable reason for them to intentionally withold schematics ? Sure. It's financially not worth the trouble for them to distribute them. They are in business to make money, and the way you make money selling consumer products is to cut your costs to the bone and make your product as general as possible so you can sell it in as many different places and ways as possible. There's a BIG difference. Very little in an mp3 player or cellphone is serviceable. As you clearly understand that's not true of a simple crossover. People don't service consumer products any more, even easily serviced ones. People throw out TV sets because the plug is damaged. I don't like it either, but it's the world we're in. You're talking about products with a two year expected lifetime; repair infrastructure is not part of the business plan. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"John Williamson Trolling ****wit " As far as I know, the details vary, for instance what is fair use in one place is not necessarily fair use in another. ** ********. The principle remains, though. If I design it, I own the copyright on the design, ** Gobbledegook. If I patent it, ** Completely impossible. Patenting requires originality, novelty and invention. YOU are a totally clueless LYING PRICK ........ Phil |
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Scott Dorsey = Utter ****head Moron
"Steve **** " ** Someone needs to kill you - ASSHOLE !! Dorsey cocksuckers are the LOWEST of scum. ....... Phil |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
Eeyore wrote: Nahh, because you can trace backwards from the LF output jacks. On double sided high density SMT pcbs ? Get real Scott ! You should know very well that's not a practical task. 30 years ago or so it was different for sure. You can't do that these days unless you have hours to spare tracing it all out. So buy a Rane AC-22. Two-sided board, through hole DIP construction with standard op-amps, and the schematic is on the website. Only problem with it is that the 1/4" phone jacks are prone to fail and The Rane "Mojo Series" version of the same basic crossover has XLR connectors. Model number is MX22 and it still shows up on eBay from time to time. This appears to be a new one at a good price: http://www.audiolines.com/product.ph...cat=210&page=1 it uses a wall wart. No the RS-1 is not a wall wart. Rane uses a well-engineered, highly robust cord wart. There are cables on either side, and it has heavy tabs for screwing down into place. http://www.amazon.com/Rane-RS-1-Powe.../dp/B0002IU02S I was originally a little alarmed at the pots used for turnover frequency adjustment, but they actually track very well and hold up well to abuse. That's because the turnover control just taps off some DC to send to some VCA that actually set the parameters for the state variable filters. |
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"WillStG" wrote in message
ups.com On Sep 26, 9:25 am, Eeyore wrote: The fact they don't allow local service agents access to schematics.is very poor IMHO. It means you're automatically going to incur the considerable cost of return P&P to some distant place even before they can even look at it. Well if they provided schematics, someone might try to steal their designs.... The irony here is the EP-2500 power amp, which not only cribs the QSC RMX part-for-part, but also uses the same terminal numbers on the signal board. |
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"John Williamson" wrote in message ... Eeyore wrote: There has been case law on this subject in all countries that support copyright and patent laws. The law varies from country to country. However since many Behringer products are slavish copies of their competition, I'd like to know how they can claim copyright for something that's not theirs in the first place ! As far as I know, the details vary, for instance what is fair use in one place is not necessarily fair use in another. Don't give any care to what G says he has admitted to stealing qsc's mechanical designs and admitted to being party to studiomaster stealing phase linear designs he has sour grapes as he wants to believe that everybody steals , like he did when the matter comes up in court behringer has been found "innocent" every time except once , that one time was more than 20 years ago and turned on interpertation of patent law. btw poo bear whom did behringer slavishly copy the deq2496 from? your a ****tard George |
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In article , Eeyore wrote:
I'd also phone Behringer's UK service agent for a quote if I knew if they have one. Does anyone know who does it ? Try Pro Line Audio. As I'm writing this I'm offline, so can't check address or anything, but I think they're 'up North' somewhere. I had a PSU go in a 1204FX mixer. They would repair it, but it was 2 years old and the replacement PSU cost half the price of the mixer, so I declined the offer. -- Roger |
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