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Todd McFadden wrote:
I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 Todd Wow! The author really has a bone to pick! Does this matter AT ALL? Now, if Behringer were selling it as a superb sounding unit with real valve sound AND charging money for it, it would be nasty, but the bloody thing costs $99! What a ridiculous article... |
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"Richard" wrote in message oups.com... What is the problem with highlighting a Valve ??? a 12AX7 does not light up very much under normal use .... What next ? people claiming that clip/peak indicators are a con because the light is not actually from components catching fire ???? How can any reviewer write such a blatant piece of crap like that? He insinuates that the tube might not even be in circuit, then goes on to say his "feeling" is that the circuit is designed and run a certain way. Just where does he get even a shred of evidence to justify these accusations apart from the inside of his own head? What an arse. Gareth. |
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I hope Behringer sue. .......... Phil They wouldn't be the first ones to try and sue the author!  http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2756 |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:10:22 -0400, "Todd McFadden"
wrote: I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 This is not at all unprecedented. Take a look at what Bob Carver does with his Classic Vacuum Tube preamp: http://home.nyc.rr.com/acidrock212/tube3.jpg http://home.nyc.rr.com/acidrock212/tube4.jpg He surrounds 3 tubes in a mirrored cage, with white LED's behind each one. When you look through the front window, it's just a little more dramatic. I was not at all offended by it; I thought it was kind of cool. A_C |
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"Geoff@work" wrote in
message "Ricky Hunt" wrote in message news:OfIXe.354066$_o.232914@attbi_s71... "Todd McFadden" wrote in message ... I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 Todd They're not the only ones that do this. As long as there are people gullible enough to buy the "glowing tubes = warm music" myth don't expect it to go away. Well it aint "warm music", it's "yellow music". Warning: a completely non-PC remark follows Wonder where they assemble those puppies, anyhow? |
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"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in
message On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:45:19 -0400, "TimPerry" wrote: the next logical step is to modulate the backlighting... and switch in red LEDs for overdrive. they got to come up with a catchy name... how about ultragroovytubyessance? The early 1970's were truly great, but who *really* wants to relive 'em? It seems like: Mostly people who didn't live them the first time. |
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"Pooh Bear" skrev i en meddelelse ... Todd McFadden wrote: I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 Todd No surprise frankly. Behringer simply feeds the marker with what it wants. If the market is receptive to crap- then it's likely to be fed **** ! I own one of those preamps, and while I am not too impressed with the yellow LEDs it does work, and has worked for several years with no issues at all... Obviously its not a Neve preamp, but it gets the job done.. /peter |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
It seems like: Mostly people who didn't live them the first time. Or those of us who were there but were too young to be _there_. |
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In article , "Q"
wrote: I own one of those preamps, and while I am not too impressed with the yellow LEDs it does work, and has worked for several years with no issues at all... Obviously its not a Neve preamp, but it gets the job done.. I hope it has better shielding than the single-channel ones. Had a fiddle player bring one of those single channel Behringer "tube" preamp to a festival last year. Any time a stage tech tried to talk on the radio, the preamp picked up a blast of RF. Very unpleasant... |
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"Joe Kesselman" wrote in
message Arny Krueger wrote: It seems like: Mostly people who didn't live them the first time. Or those of us who were there but were too young to be _there_. Welling being there but too young to really live them is really about the same as not living them. The 70's weren't that bad, except of course for the Vietnam thing and all the people who died, often painfully,of things that we now know how to manage. For example many forms of cancer that are fairly survivable these days were a death sentence, then. The other problem was that in those days many of use were in our teens or twenties, which are problematical for a lot of people. Audio distribution media-wise vinyl was beginning to pinch, sonically but analog tape was too expensive for producers to make a lot of money selling. Cassette was even more the pits than it is now. In the studio, wide high speed tape rocked. Mics and consoles were good but quite expensive. |
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"Ron Capik" wrote in message ... TimPerry wrote: ...snip.. warm, yellow glow. Someone needs a life! The purchaser maybe ? (or should that be the designer ? ) Graham the next logical step is to modulate the backlighting... and switch in red LEDs for overdrive. they got to come up with a catchy name... how about ultragroovytubyessance? Nah, that red glow of the plate overheating isn't dynamic enough. I'd opt for the blues and greens of arcing and e-beams hitting the glass. G Me, I put blue filters in front of the tube's viewing port on my Tube-EQs to cut down on the backlighting glare. Later... Ron Capik -- Ahh blue, for that well gassed tube look. |
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"Mike Gilmour" Ahh blue, for that well gassed tube look. ** That is a major fallacy about tubes. The blue glow often seen on the inside of the glass envelope of a power tube is not a sign of any defect. It is, in fact, fluorescence of the internal glass surface due to trapped impurities being bombarded by electrons. ......... Phil |
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Mike Gilmour" Ahh blue, for that well gassed tube look. ** That is a major fallacy about tubes. The blue glow often seen on the inside of the glass envelope of a power tube is not a sign of any defect. It is, in fact, fluorescence of the internal glass surface due to trapped impurities being bombarded by electrons. ........ Phil Who said it was a defect? |
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"Mike Gilmour" "Phil Allison" Ahh blue, for that well gassed tube look. ** That is a major fallacy about tubes. The blue glow often seen on the inside of the glass envelope of a power tube is not a sign of any defect. It is, in fact, fluorescence of the internal glass surface due to trapped impurities being bombarded by electrons. Who said it was a defect? ** You did - Mr Smartarse. A " well gassed " tube is a highly defective tube. .......... Phil |
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Mike Gilmour" "Phil Allison" Ahh blue, for that well gassed tube look. ** That is a major fallacy about tubes. The blue glow often seen on the inside of the glass envelope of a power tube is not a sign of any defect. It is, in fact, fluorescence of the internal glass surface due to trapped impurities being bombarded by electrons. Who said it was a defect? ** You did - Mr Smartarse. A " well gassed " tube is a highly defective tube. ......... Phil ....only if it goes white :-) |
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Letsee, the tube is part of the circuit but the author is upset because some LEDs were placed behind it to enhance its warm, yellow glow. Hey, why not leave the tube _out_ of the circuit and light it entirely with LEDs? You'd probably get better sound quality, and you'd never have to worry about the tube burning out. then you wouldn't make any money selling replacement tubes. look out world here comes the ultra12AX7A next we need a little microphone pickup to inject a little ambient out of phase signal to cancel microphonic action. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Audio distribution media-wise vinyl was beginning to pinch, sonically ... Remember the oil shortage that caused record companies to recycle vinyl? You'd occasionally buy a new record with a pit of paper sticking up out through the vinyl - part of the label of a record that had been melted down for its vinyl! Tim |
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The early 1970's were truly great, but who *really*
wants to relive 'em? It seems like: Mostly people who didn't live them the first time. They seem just as stupid in retrospect as they did at the time. |
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"Geoff@work" wrote ...
Well it aint "warm music", it's "yellow music". Do you have "yellow snow" down there in NZ? :-) |
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"Tim Martin" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Audio distribution media-wise vinyl was beginning to pinch, sonically ... Remember the oil shortage that caused record companies to recycle vinyl? A goodly number were recycling before all that... ;-( You'd occasionally buy a new record with a pit of paper sticking up out through the vinyl - part of the label of a record that had been melted down for its vinyl! The pressing plant didn't have the grinder set to "fine"? ;-( |
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On 9/19/05 10:28 PM, in article ,
"Bob Geary" wrote: "Todd McFadden" wrote in message ... I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 Todd Those things must be engineered to science-fiction-level tolerances - it's not even that the light of the LEDs affects the sound (that would be amazing enough in itself), but that the *energy generated by the user's awareness of the LEDs* affects the sound. Gotta get me some of that tech. I have these great SonicMarvelOil speaker cables... You need them for your studio monitors, only $300/ft just be sure that the arrows point towards the SPEAKER end. |
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On 9/19/05 10:53 PM, in article , "Scott
Dorsey" wrote: Todd McFadden wrote: I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 No, not really. I think they copied the idea from dbx. And, of course, it was ART that came up with the whole cheesy starved plate "fake tube" preamp to begin with. Of course, that was an attempt to get something cheap with a tube in it that didn't infringe on the Aphex 107 fake tube circuit patent. And to be fair, the 107 is a DARNED quiet cheap pre with very-lo-impedance mics... And the tube does little damage. It's depressing, but you can't blame Behringer because they are just copying the whole idea. --scott I can ALWAYS blame Beheingerrrr (hmmmnn.. T-shirt.. Blame Behringer... The back can have a silk-screen of the Mackie filing papers...) |
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On 9/19/05 11:25 PM, in article , "Pooh Bear"
wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Todd McFadden wrote: I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 No, not really. I think they copied the idea from dbx. And, of course, it was ART that came up with the whole cheesy starved plate "fake tube" preamp to begin with. Of course, that was an attempt to get something cheap with a tube in it that didn't infringe on the Aphex 107 fake tube circuit patent. What do you want? People want stuff with tubes in it, they don't want to pay money, and they don't care if it sounds like crap because most of the people the MI vendors are selling to don't know how to listen. As a result, there is a lot of crap on the market. That is so *agonisingly* true. It's become a damm circus ! Dude, where you been? In line for popcorn? The circus started 10 years ago! |
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I seem to recall that Behringer has been sued several times for patent
infringment issues. I don't think they have ever truly engineered anything of their own without copying much of the design from some high-end expensive piece - altering just enough of the circuit to keep the lawyers back. Apperently early on they didn't even bother making minor changes to circumvent patent issues and they were sued because of it. I DO have some Behringer stuff and it works well and I like it and the price. So far none of my Behringer stuff has had a problem. |
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(hmmmnn.. T-shirt.. Blame Behringer... The back can have a silk-screen of the Mackie filing papers...) or a picture of the same papers thrown in the dust bin by the judge, who correctly identified them as pointless drivaGeorge |
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On 9/20/05 12:40 PM, in article
, "George Gleason" wrote: (hmmmnn.. T-shirt.. Blame Behringer... The back can have a silk-screen of the Mackie filing papers...) or a picture of the same papers thrown in the dust bin by the judge, who correctly identified them as pointless driva George Drivel that suddenly and absolutely divested BEHRINGER of their entire US sales distro and warrenty repair partner SAMASH leaving them in a scramble for a year to rebuild one from the ground up... But then I forget, that was a 'planned business move'. We've been over this wayyy too many times... |
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Chris Hornbeck wrote:
But, as far as fundamental linearity goes, if the vacuum valve were to be invented today, it might well be hailed as a miracle of modern weird tech. It does do some otherwise difficult tasks better'n anything else. Yet. "Our head story tonight involves Dr. Will U. Bendova in the Department of Electrical Engineering, who has invented a new form of amplification device which is notably more radiation-proof than current transistor technologies, and can operate over a wide temperature span owing to its unique intrinsic temperature regulation. Dubbed the Vacuum Tube, Dr. Bendova discovered the principle behind it while leafing through the encyclopaedia looking for information on vacuum cleaners. This happy bit of serendipity will bring better quality electronic devices to those living in high temperature and radiation areas, like the dorms next to the Nuclear Science building. Dr. Bendova feels this wide breakthrough can be applied to more general systems, once minor problems with power requirements can be overcome. However, he was quoted as saying, because of the high voltage required, these devices can be operated directly off the power line, removing the need for expensive and unreliable low-voltage transformers. Such a breakthrough could produce cheap and good radios that everyone could own." -- From UGA Today, broadcast on WREK-FM, mid-1970s some time -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Tim Martin wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message Audio distribution media-wise vinyl was beginning to pinch, sonically ... Remember the oil shortage that caused record companies to recycle vinyl? You'd occasionally buy a new record with a pit of paper sticking up out through the vinyl - part of the label of a record that had been melted down for its vinyl! Everybody uses regrind. If you use 100% virgin vinyl with no regrind, you get noise problems. You want something around 10% regrind in the mix, usually from failed pressings and flash cut from around the edges. Usually the big labels would put their overstock into the regrind bins as well. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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SSJVCmag wrote:
On 9/19/05 10:53 PM, in article , "Scott Dorsey" wrote: Todd McFadden wrote: I am generally a Behringer fan, but this is outrageous: http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838 No, not really. I think they copied the idea from dbx. And, of course, it was ART that came up with the whole cheesy starved plate "fake tube" preamp to begin with. Of course, that was an attempt to get something cheap with a tube in it that didn't infringe on the Aphex 107 fake tube circuit patent. And to be fair, the 107 is a DARNED quiet cheap pre with very-lo-impedance mics... And the tube does little damage. I disagree. The 107 sounds a lot better with the tube stage removed, and it's only about 10dB down after removing it, too. The whole reflected plate silliness was a terrible idea. Admittedly the rest of the preamp isn't so bad, but honestly it's nothing too impressive. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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SSJVCmag wrote in
: On 9/20/05 12:40 PM, in article , "George Gleason" wrote: (hmmmnn.. T-shirt.. Blame Behringer... The back can have a silk-screen of the Mackie filing papers...) or a picture of the same papers thrown in the dust bin by the judge, who correctly identified them as pointless driva George Drivel that suddenly and absolutely divested BEHRINGER of their entire US sales distro and warrenty repair partner SAMASH leaving them in a scramble for a year to rebuild one from the ground up... But then I forget, that was a 'planned business move'. We've been over this wayyy too many times... Yes we have, yet you continue to not get it correct. it seems behringers business plan is working quite well they are leading the industry in customer support and reaching markets that before have been unable to buy a compressor or small mixer mackie is even copying behringer business plan even going them one better by directly copying the qsc rmx(I believe, you'd have to ask Graham, as I could be wrong on which amp they copied) with their Tapco amp George |
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"Pat" skrev i en meddelelse ... In article , "Q" wrote: I own one of those preamps, and while I am not too impressed with the yellow LEDs it does work, and has worked for several years with no issues at all... Obviously its not a Neve preamp, but it gets the job done.. I hope it has better shielding than the single-channel ones. Had a fiddle player bring one of those single channel Behringer "tube" preamp to a festival last year. Any time a stage tech tried to talk on the radio, the preamp picked up a blast of RF. Very unpleasant... I have not had any problems with RF pickup on this.. /peter |
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they are leading the industry in customer support
An honest question: What does this mean exactly? That they answer more calls than anybody...or get no calls? (I know a guy who reduced the number of phone lines so he wouldn't have too many people on hold at once) I was looking at a Behringer guitar amp with my son on Saturday, and that thing had more crap on the front panel, I never saw an amp that required a freakin' manual to use. :-) And it was 180 watts for $250, or something. We didn't buy it. -John O |
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"John O" wrote in
: they are leading the industry in customer support An honest question: What does this mean exactly? That they answer more calls than anybody...or get no calls? (I know a guy who reduced the number of phone lines so he wouldn't have too many people on hold at once) I was looking at a Behringer guitar amp with my son on Saturday, and that thing had more crap on the front panel, I never saw an amp that required a freakin' manual to use. :-) And it was 180 watts for $250, or something. We didn't buy it. -John O It means you have a real flesh and blood person to contact (chris gomez/Jim savery)who does what they say they will do treat you with respect and genuinely want your behringer experiance to be positive often paying the in-bound shipping, if no local service is available overnighting replacments sometime even advance replacments I had recent need for their nhelp and they went above and beyond what any other manufacture has ever done George |
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It means you have a real flesh and blood person to contact (chris
gomez/Jim savery)who does what they say they will do treat you with respect and genuinely want your behringer experiance to be positive often paying the in-bound shipping, if no local service is available overnighting replacments sometime even advance replacments I had recent need for their nhelp and they went above and beyond what any other manufacture has ever done George Wow, somebody else that gets it. ;-) -John O |
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John O wrote:
they are leading the industry in customer support An honest question: What does this mean exactly? That they answer more calls than anybody...or get no calls? (I know a guy who reduced the number of phone lines so he wouldn't have too many people on hold at once) I was looking at a Behringer guitar amp with my son on Saturday, and that thing had more crap on the front panel, I never saw an amp that required a freakin' manual to use. :-) And it was 180 watts for $250, or something. We didn't buy it. -John O However they do a brilliant small amp....costs peanuts, sounds great. |
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"John O" wrote in
: It means you have a real flesh and blood person to contact (chris gomez/Jim savery)who does what they say they will do treat you with respect and genuinely want your behringer experiance to be positive often paying the in-bound shipping, if no local service is available overnighting replacments sometime even advance replacments I had recent need for their nhelp and they went above and beyond what any other manufacture has ever done George Wow, somebody else that gets it. ;-) -John O My first email was yesterday(monday) and the UPS truck just showed up with a prepaid call tag 3:30 tuesday george |
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" I was looking at a Behringer guitar amp with my son on Saturday, and that thing had more crap on the front panel, I never saw an amp that required a freakin' manual to use. :-) And it was 180 watts for $250, or something. We didn't buy it. -John O However they do a brilliant small amp....costs peanuts, sounds great. Seriously? Are you talking about a combo? I'll do the research, just point me in a direction. -John O |
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