"EggHd" wrote in message
...
It was a kid sitting at a computer. Get real.

I just asked a simple question.


You're being facetious. Fact is, even if there were a way to win the legal
battle (about as likely as taming the ocean with a rake), they are botching
the PR battle, which is what they ought to be focused on. The fact of the
matter is that all over the world, where there is internet, purchasing music
has become voluntary.

This is probably a temporary situation, due to the time it takes to make a
full technological transition, but I'm sure we all agree that it is a bad
place to be in. But those are the rules, and you win more flies with honey
than you do with vinegar. They need to make themselves look like the good
guys (they could start by giving artists a bigger piece of the pie and
ceasing litigation against children) and they need to find a way to offer
people something they will pay for. It will cost money to do those things.
Right, wrong or indifferent, thems the breaks.

jb

"EggHd" wrote in message
...
It was a kid sitting at a computer. Get real.

I just asked a simple question.


You're being facetious. Fact is, even if there were a way to win the legal
battle (about as likely as taming the ocean with a rake), they are botching
the PR battle, which is what they ought to be focused on. The fact of the
matter is that all over the world, where there is internet, purchasing music
has become voluntary.

This is probably a temporary situation, due to the time it takes to make a
full technological transition, but I'm sure we all agree that it is a bad
place to be in. But those are the rules, and you win more flies with honey
than you do with vinegar. They need to make themselves look like the good
guys (they could start by giving artists a bigger piece of the pie and
ceasing litigation against children) and they need to find a way to offer
people something they will pay for. It will cost money to do those things.
Right, wrong or indifferent, thems the breaks.

jb

"EggHd" wrote in message
...
It was a kid sitting at a computer. Get real.

I just asked a simple question.


You're being facetious. Fact is, even if there were a way to win the legal
battle (about as likely as taming the ocean with a rake), they are botching
the PR battle, which is what they ought to be focused on. The fact of the
matter is that all over the world, where there is internet, purchasing music
has become voluntary.

This is probably a temporary situation, due to the time it takes to make a
full technological transition, but I'm sure we all agree that it is a bad
place to be in. But those are the rules, and you win more flies with honey
than you do with vinegar. They need to make themselves look like the good
guys (they could start by giving artists a bigger piece of the pie and
ceasing litigation against children) and they need to find a way to offer
people something they will pay for. It will cost money to do those things.
Right, wrong or indifferent, thems the breaks.

jb

wrote in message ...
"Ricky W. Hunt" writes:

"Marc Wielage" wrote in message
news:0001HW.BCDBCEDF01189A10F070D5B0@news- should pick their
battles
more carefully, but I also see their point that
people who steal should be punished... to a point.

I agree something has to be done. But one thing the RIAA has proven
without
a doubt: they are HORRIBLY out of touch with both music lovers AND
technology. Therefore they really serve no good purpose (IMO). The line
from
the article that really hit me was: "And we're trying to create a level
playing field for legal online (music) services," he added (he being
Stanley
Pierre-Louis, senior vice president for legal affairs for the RIAA).
Excuse
me? Didn't they do every thing they could to throw up road blocks to
what
(pay for downloading) has now been proven an unqualified success?

Why is the RIAA allowed to sue? Consider someone shoplifting from a
regular
store. Can the store sue for $30,000 because someone stole a (physical)
CD?
Can Microsoft sue if someone copies Windows? I can see a person being
charged, but shouldn't the police do that?

Richard


Shoplifting is a criminal offense that can be processed through the regular
justice system. Cops, robbers, judges and juries, etc.,

The only recourse for copyright violation is through civil litigation.
That's because it's a different kind of thing. A fine distinction, but a
distinction in US law nonetheless.

jb

wrote in message ...
"Ricky W. Hunt" writes:

"Marc Wielage" wrote in message
news:0001HW.BCDBCEDF01189A10F070D5B0@news- should pick their
battles
more carefully, but I also see their point that
people who steal should be punished... to a point.

I agree something has to be done. But one thing the RIAA has proven
without
a doubt: they are HORRIBLY out of touch with both music lovers AND
technology. Therefore they really serve no good purpose (IMO). The line
from
the article that really hit me was: "And we're trying to create a level
playing field for legal online (music) services," he added (he being
Stanley
Pierre-Louis, senior vice president for legal affairs for the RIAA).
Excuse
me? Didn't they do every thing they could to throw up road blocks to
what
(pay for downloading) has now been proven an unqualified success?

Why is the RIAA allowed to sue? Consider someone shoplifting from a
regular
store. Can the store sue for $30,000 because someone stole a (physical)
CD?
Can Microsoft sue if someone copies Windows? I can see a person being
charged, but shouldn't the police do that?

Richard


Shoplifting is a criminal offense that can be processed through the regular
justice system. Cops, robbers, judges and juries, etc.,

The only recourse for copyright violation is through civil litigation.
That's because it's a different kind of thing. A fine distinction, but a
distinction in US law nonetheless.

jb

wrote in message ...
"Ricky W. Hunt" writes:

"Marc Wielage" wrote in message
news:0001HW.BCDBCEDF01189A10F070D5B0@news- should pick their
battles
more carefully, but I also see their point that
people who steal should be punished... to a point.

I agree something has to be done. But one thing the RIAA has proven
without
a doubt: they are HORRIBLY out of touch with both music lovers AND
technology. Therefore they really serve no good purpose (IMO). The line
from
the article that really hit me was: "And we're trying to create a level
playing field for legal online (music) services," he added (he being
Stanley
Pierre-Louis, senior vice president for legal affairs for the RIAA).
Excuse
me? Didn't they do every thing they could to throw up road blocks to
what
(pay for downloading) has now been proven an unqualified success?

Why is the RIAA allowed to sue? Consider someone shoplifting from a
regular
store. Can the store sue for $30,000 because someone stole a (physical)
CD?
Can Microsoft sue if someone copies Windows? I can see a person being
charged, but shouldn't the police do that?

Richard


Shoplifting is a criminal offense that can be processed through the regular
justice system. Cops, robbers, judges and juries, etc.,

The only recourse for copyright violation is through civil litigation.
That's because it's a different kind of thing. A fine distinction, but a
distinction in US law nonetheless.

jb

Single mom overwhelmed by recording industry suit

BY LESLIE BROOKS SUZUKAMO

Pioneer Press


Tammy Lafky has a computer at home but said she doesn't use it. "I
don't know how," the 41-year-old woman said, somewhat sheepishly.

But her 15-year-old daughter, Cassandra, does. And what Cassandra may
have done, like millions of other teenagers and adults around the
world, landed Lafky in legal hot water this week that could cost her
thousands of dollars.

Lafky, a sugar mill worker and single mother in Bird Island, a farming
community 90 miles west of St. Paul, became the first Minnesotan sued
by name by the recording industry this week for allegedly downloading
copyrighted music illegally.

The lawsuit has stunned Lafky, who earns $12 an hour and faces
penalties that top $500,000. She says she can't even afford an offer
by the record companies to settle the case for $4,000.

The ongoing music downloading war is being fought on one side by a $12
billion music industry that says it is steadily losing sales to online
file sharing. On the other side, untold millions of people — many of
them too young to drive — who have been downloading free music off
file-sharing sites with odd names like Kazaa and Grokster and who are
accusing the music industry of price gouging and strong-arm tactics.

Lafky says she doesn't download free music. Her daughter did last year
when she was 14, but neither of them knew it was illegal because all
of Cassandra's friends at school were doing it.

"She says she can't believe she's the only one being sued," Lafky
said. "She told me, 'I can't be the only one. Everybody else does it.'
"

A record company attorney from Los Angeles contacted Lafky about a
week ago, telling Lafky she could owe up to $540,000, but the
companies would settle for $4,000.

"I told her I don't have the money," Lafky said. "She told me to go
talk to a lawyer and I told her I don't have no money to talk to a
lawyer."

Lafky said she clears $21,000 a year from her job and gets no child
support.

The music industry isn't moved. It has sued nearly 3,000 people
nationwide since September and settled with 486 of them for an average
of $3,000 apiece, according to the Recording Industry Association of
America, which represents the major and minor labels that produce 90
percent of the recorded music in the United States.

"Our goal in these cases and in this program (of lawsuits) that we're
trying to achieve is to deliver the message that it's illegal and
wrong," said Stanley Pierre-Louis, senior vice president for legal
affairs for the RIAA.

Since the music industry began its lawsuit campaign, awareness of the
illegality of downloading copyrighted music has increased several-fold
this year, Pierre-Louis said.

"And we're trying to create a level playing field for legal online
(music) services," he added.

These services sell music for under a dollar a song, and some have
become well known, like Apple Computer's iPod service, which
advertises heavily on TV. Others are just getting off the ground.

Pierre-Louis said the RIAA does not comment on individual cases like
Lafky's, but he said the music industry typically finds its targets by
logging onto the same file-sharing services that the file-sharers do.
Its agents then comb the play lists for names of songs that are
copyrighted and that they believe are being illegally shared.

The record companies follow the songs when they're downloaded onto
computers, and they also note how many copyrighted songs are stored on
that computer's hard drive memory, because those songs are often
"uploaded" or shared with others through the file-sharing service.

Since January, the industry has filed 2,947 lawsuits, most against
"John Does," until the record companies went to court to get names of
the downloaders from their Internet service providers. Last month, the
music industry filed 477 lawsuits nationwide, including two "John Doe"
lawsuits against users at the University of Minnesota whose identities
have not been revealed.

The industry is particularly keen on stopping people who keep their
computers open on the Internet for others to share. On Lafky's
computer, for instance, record companies like Universal Music Group,
Sony and Warner Bros. found songs by groups they publish like
Bloodhound Gang, Savage Garden and Linkin Park. Also found were songs
by artists Michelle Branch, MC Hammer and country stars Shania Twain
and Neal McCoy, which not only were downloaded but also available to
others to upload, according to the lawsuit.

Federal copyright laws allow for penalties that range from $750 per
infringement or song up to $30,000 per infringement, Pierre-Louis
said.

If a defendant is found to have committed a violation "in a willful
manner," he or she can be fined $150,000 per song, he said.

The record companies are willing to negotiate cases individually if
someone says they cannot afford the penalties. So far, no case has
gone to trial, the RIAA said.

Pierre-Louis said the RIAA isn't afraid of a consumer backlash. "We're
facing a daunting challenge and we have to face it head-on," he said.

Tammy Lafky is facing her own challenge. She said she doesn't know
what she'll do. "I told her," she said, referring to the record
company lawyer, "if I had the money I would give it to you, but I
don't have it."

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing
George

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing
George

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing
George

........Or move to Canada and download as much as you want.


George wrote in message
...
Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing
George

........Or move to Canada and download as much as you want.


George wrote in message
...
Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing
George

........Or move to Canada and download as much as you want.


George wrote in message
...
Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing
George

"George" wrote in message
...
Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing

If they're to be believed, they weren't stealing. Their kid was downloading
in ignorance. The mother's probably some ignorant hick who doesn't know what
Kazaa or an mp3 is. Not everybody is wrapped up in the tech world. To a lot
of people, 4 grand isn't a "way out", it's a way to foreclosure.

This is complete bull****. I keep hoping the RIAA ****es off some
billionaire or some lawyer who doesn't need to spend a boatload on lawyer
fees and can afford to actually test these lawsuits in court and see if it
stands up. 150K for a single download? Even 4k is absurd. They can't
possibly prove damages of that magnitude from one person.

I've said all along the "industry losses" from file sharing are a complete
myth, especially compared to whatever they've surely spent on legal fees
alone.

"George" wrote in message
...
Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing

If they're to be believed, they weren't stealing. Their kid was downloading
in ignorance. The mother's probably some ignorant hick who doesn't know what
Kazaa or an mp3 is. Not everybody is wrapped up in the tech world. To a lot
of people, 4 grand isn't a "way out", it's a way to foreclosure.

This is complete bull****. I keep hoping the RIAA ****es off some
billionaire or some lawyer who doesn't need to spend a boatload on lawyer
fees and can afford to actually test these lawsuits in court and see if it
stands up. 150K for a single download? Even 4k is absurd. They can't
possibly prove damages of that magnitude from one person.

I've said all along the "industry losses" from file sharing are a complete
myth, especially compared to whatever they've surely spent on legal fees
alone.

"George" wrote in message
...
Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing

If they're to be believed, they weren't stealing. Their kid was downloading
in ignorance. The mother's probably some ignorant hick who doesn't know what
Kazaa or an mp3 is. Not everybody is wrapped up in the tech world. To a lot
of people, 4 grand isn't a "way out", it's a way to foreclosure.

This is complete bull****. I keep hoping the RIAA ****es off some
billionaire or some lawyer who doesn't need to spend a boatload on lawyer
fees and can afford to actually test these lawsuits in court and see if it
stands up. 150K for a single download? Even 4k is absurd. They can't
possibly prove damages of that magnitude from one person.

I've said all along the "industry losses" from file sharing are a complete
myth, especially compared to whatever they've surely spent on legal fees
alone.

The only people being sued are those who made music files available to
others, NOT people who just downloaded music. She should consider herself
lucky that criminal charges weren't filed in addition. The mom actually
earns MORE than the average songwriter does.

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com

The only people being sued are those who made music files available to
others, NOT people who just downloaded music. She should consider herself
lucky that criminal charges weren't filed in addition. The mom actually
earns MORE than the average songwriter does.

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com

The only people being sued are those who made music files available to
others, NOT people who just downloaded music. She should consider herself
lucky that criminal charges weren't filed in addition. The mom actually
earns MORE than the average songwriter does.

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com

George wrote:

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing


A single mother who gets twelve bucks an hour is supposed to casually
pay four grand? Hello, George?

--
ha

George wrote:

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing


A single mother who gets twelve bucks an hour is supposed to casually
pay four grand? Hello, George?

--
ha

George wrote:

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing


A single mother who gets twelve bucks an hour is supposed to casually
pay four grand? Hello, George?

--
ha

In article ,
says...
The only people being sued are those who made music files available to
others, NOT people who just downloaded music. She should consider herself
lucky that criminal charges weren't filed in addition. The mom actually
earns MORE than the average songwriter does.

Oh yeah, she's real lucky.

You must not have teenage children.

--Nick

In article ,
says...
The only people being sued are those who made music files available to
others, NOT people who just downloaded music. She should consider herself
lucky that criminal charges weren't filed in addition. The mom actually
earns MORE than the average songwriter does.

Oh yeah, she's real lucky.

You must not have teenage children.

--Nick

In article ,
says...
The only people being sued are those who made music files available to
others, NOT people who just downloaded music. She should consider herself
lucky that criminal charges weren't filed in addition. The mom actually
earns MORE than the average songwriter does.

Oh yeah, she's real lucky.

You must not have teenage children.

--Nick

In article ,
(hank alrich) wrote:

George wrote:

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing


A single mother who gets twelve bucks an hour is supposed to casually
pay four grand? Hello, George?

--
ha

Like I said , cry me a river
we all got problems
The IRS claimed I owed 32,000$ tax on 19,000$ income
you think I just happened to have a spare 12 grand to hire a cpa to sort
this **** out

some mistakes cost real god damn money to correct and it is not
dependant on your income how much you need to come up with
If my kid gets busted for weed , do I say "I didn't know it was wrong,
all the kids were doing it" or "I can't afford 5 K$ for a lawyer"
No sympathy here, sorry.
George

In article ,
(hank alrich) wrote:

George wrote:

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing


A single mother who gets twelve bucks an hour is supposed to casually
pay four grand? Hello, George?

--
ha

Like I said , cry me a river
we all got problems
The IRS claimed I owed 32,000$ tax on 19,000$ income
you think I just happened to have a spare 12 grand to hire a cpa to sort
this **** out

some mistakes cost real god damn money to correct and it is not
dependant on your income how much you need to come up with
If my kid gets busted for weed , do I say "I didn't know it was wrong,
all the kids were doing it" or "I can't afford 5 K$ for a lawyer"
No sympathy here, sorry.
George

In article ,
(hank alrich) wrote:

George wrote:

Cry me a ****ing river will ya
someone steals, gets caught is offed a way out and I am supposed to feel
thier pain?
served them right
pay the fine and stop stealing


A single mother who gets twelve bucks an hour is supposed to casually
pay four grand? Hello, George?

--
ha

Like I said , cry me a river
we all got problems
The IRS claimed I owed 32,000$ tax on 19,000$ income
you think I just happened to have a spare 12 grand to hire a cpa to sort
this **** out

some mistakes cost real god damn money to correct and it is not
dependant on your income how much you need to come up with
If my kid gets busted for weed , do I say "I didn't know it was wrong,
all the kids were doing it" or "I can't afford 5 K$ for a lawyer"
No sympathy here, sorry.
George

Their kid was downloading in ignorance.

Do you apply this to all law breakers?





---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

Their kid was downloading in ignorance.

Do you apply this to all law breakers?





---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

Their kid was downloading in ignorance.

Do you apply this to all law breakers?





---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

In article ,
says...
some mistakes cost real god damn money to correct and it is not
dependant on your income how much you need to come up with
If my kid gets busted for weed , do I say "I didn't know it was wrong,
all the kids were doing it" or "I can't afford 5 K$ for a lawyer"
No sympathy here, sorry.

And I cry no tears for the despicable Recording Industry and its money
grubbing members. They richly deserve their recent decline. I cheer
ever step of the Recording Industry's continued demise.

It is they who failed to adequately copy protect their property before
digitizing it. Morons!

It is they who fail to recognize that a parent cannot monitor, let alone
control, everything their children do on a computer (how much control
did your parents have over you in a much easier time?!).

The RIAA and its litigation-prone members are collectively too clueless
to realize that children have not matured to the point where they can
make mature moral decisions especially when faced with such temptation
in the privacy of their own homes. So the RIAA goes after the innocent,
overworked, overwhelmed and struggling parents. ****ing *******s!

Hell, I've installed software to prevent my kids from accessing certain
things and they typically find a way around it within a few weeks. I
spend way too much time controlling what my kids do on the computer
already and there is just NO WAY that I can close every loop hole and
maintain a day job at the same time. How much less able is a person who
is not a computer expert?

That kids can copy music is the FAULT OF THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. Those
stupid jackasses didn't protect their product! And now they want to sue
parents for their own dumb mistake? No wonder they are so univerally
despised.

Someone needs to file a class action suit against the RIAA and its
members for these unethical lawsuits against entirely innocent parents.
The sooner they are all put out of business, the better off we all will
be.

--Nick

In article ,
says...
some mistakes cost real god damn money to correct and it is not
dependant on your income how much you need to come up with
If my kid gets busted for weed , do I say "I didn't know it was wrong,
all the kids were doing it" or "I can't afford 5 K$ for a lawyer"
No sympathy here, sorry.

And I cry no tears for the despicable Recording Industry and its money
grubbing members. They richly deserve their recent decline. I cheer
ever step of the Recording Industry's continued demise.

It is they who failed to adequately copy protect their property before
digitizing it. Morons!

It is they who fail to recognize that a parent cannot monitor, let alone
control, everything their children do on a computer (how much control
did your parents have over you in a much easier time?!).

The RIAA and its litigation-prone members are collectively too clueless
to realize that children have not matured to the point where they can
make mature moral decisions especially when faced with such temptation
in the privacy of their own homes. So the RIAA goes after the innocent,
overworked, overwhelmed and struggling parents. ****ing *******s!

Hell, I've installed software to prevent my kids from accessing certain
things and they typically find a way around it within a few weeks. I
spend way too much time controlling what my kids do on the computer
already and there is just NO WAY that I can close every loop hole and
maintain a day job at the same time. How much less able is a person who
is not a computer expert?

That kids can copy music is the FAULT OF THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. Those
stupid jackasses didn't protect their product! And now they want to sue
parents for their own dumb mistake? No wonder they are so univerally
despised.

Someone needs to file a class action suit against the RIAA and its
members for these unethical lawsuits against entirely innocent parents.
The sooner they are all put out of business, the better off we all will
be.

--Nick

In article ,
says...
some mistakes cost real god damn money to correct and it is not
dependant on your income how much you need to come up with
If my kid gets busted for weed , do I say "I didn't know it was wrong,
all the kids were doing it" or "I can't afford 5 K$ for a lawyer"
No sympathy here, sorry.

And I cry no tears for the despicable Recording Industry and its money
grubbing members. They richly deserve their recent decline. I cheer
ever step of the Recording Industry's continued demise.

It is they who failed to adequately copy protect their property before
digitizing it. Morons!

It is they who fail to recognize that a parent cannot monitor, let alone
control, everything their children do on a computer (how much control
did your parents have over you in a much easier time?!).

The RIAA and its litigation-prone members are collectively too clueless
to realize that children have not matured to the point where they can
make mature moral decisions especially when faced with such temptation
in the privacy of their own homes. So the RIAA goes after the innocent,
overworked, overwhelmed and struggling parents. ****ing *******s!

Hell, I've installed software to prevent my kids from accessing certain
things and they typically find a way around it within a few weeks. I
spend way too much time controlling what my kids do on the computer
already and there is just NO WAY that I can close every loop hole and
maintain a day job at the same time. How much less able is a person who
is not a computer expert?

That kids can copy music is the FAULT OF THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. Those
stupid jackasses didn't protect their product! And now they want to sue
parents for their own dumb mistake? No wonder they are so univerally
despised.

Someone needs to file a class action suit against the RIAA and its
members for these unethical lawsuits against entirely innocent parents.
The sooner they are all put out of business, the better off we all will
be.

--Nick

In article ,
says...
Their kid was downloading in ignorance.

Do you apply this to all law breakers?

It was a kid sitting at a computer. Get real.

In article ,
says...
Their kid was downloading in ignorance.

Do you apply this to all law breakers?

It was a kid sitting at a computer. Get real.

In article ,
says...
Their kid was downloading in ignorance.

Do you apply this to all law breakers?

It was a kid sitting at a computer. Get real.

NJD wrote:

It is they who failed to adequately copy protect their property before
digitizing it. Morons!

And how do you propose this be done?

If you can find a copy protection system that works, you can be a millionaire
easily.

That kids can copy music is the FAULT OF THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. Those
stupid jackasses didn't protect their product! And now they want to sue
parents for their own dumb mistake? No wonder they are so univerally
despised.

Again, how do you propose it be done? If you can find a method by which
material can be listened without copying, I'm all ears. Believe me, so
is the recording industry. Remember the notch filter schemes? Remember
SCMS? I assure you that the recording industry was not trying their best.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

NJD wrote:

It is they who failed to adequately copy protect their property before
digitizing it. Morons!

And how do you propose this be done?

If you can find a copy protection system that works, you can be a millionaire
easily.

That kids can copy music is the FAULT OF THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. Those
stupid jackasses didn't protect their product! And now they want to sue
parents for their own dumb mistake? No wonder they are so univerally
despised.

Again, how do you propose it be done? If you can find a method by which
material can be listened without copying, I'm all ears. Believe me, so
is the recording industry. Remember the notch filter schemes? Remember
SCMS? I assure you that the recording industry was not trying their best.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

NJD wrote:

It is they who failed to adequately copy protect their property before
digitizing it. Morons!

And how do you propose this be done?

If you can find a copy protection system that works, you can be a millionaire
easily.

That kids can copy music is the FAULT OF THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. Those
stupid jackasses didn't protect their product! And now they want to sue
parents for their own dumb mistake? No wonder they are so univerally
despised.

Again, how do you propose it be done? If you can find a method by which
material can be listened without copying, I'm all ears. Believe me, so
is the recording industry. Remember the notch filter schemes? Remember
SCMS? I assure you that the recording industry was not trying their best.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."