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"EggHd" wrote in message
... Not so. I am saying these bands (take the dead out) built the touring base before giving music away. FWIW, the Dead had built their touring base long before they ever allowed taping. The only reason they finally set up a taping section was so they could stop tapers from beating up on people who were sitting in favorable seats. They stood to lose more from a reputation for people being assaulted at their shows than they did from lost record sales. The idea that the band prospered from giving away their music is pure bunk. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
#1042
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In article
, "Bob Olhsson" wrote: "EggHd" wrote in message ... Not so. I am saying these bands (take the dead out) built the touring base before giving music away. FWIW, the Dead had built their touring base long before they ever allowed taping. The only reason they finally set up a taping section was so they could stop tapers from beating up on people who were sitting in favorable seats. They stood to lose more from a reputation for people being assaulted at their shows than they did from lost record sales. The idea that the band prospered from giving away their music is pure bunk. I remeber having a hollowed out crutch to carry my mics in and then get them up in the air we used to wrap mic cords around our then not so large mid sections,little sony d5's taped to our inner thighs you are correct they did not just embrace bootlegging thier shows George |
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George wrote:
I have no desire to pay retail for fish food when I can get the same fish food for 40% off Do you consider the possibility that the farmed fish that costs so little is ****ing over the ocean's ability to sustain wild fish, and that at some point that process will disable the ocean's ability to support farmed fish, too? the discounter serves me better for some things , and the smaller more focused business serves me b etter for other things, like 40 channel soundcraft consoles If Behringer could succeed like WalMart is suckceeding you would not have the option to buy a Soundcraft; they would not remain in business. -- ha |
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reddred wrote:
That was on the tip of my tongue. That's the main problem with the whole thing as a promotional vehicle. Time Warner could make a good case for owning the gnutella network tomorrow, but if they got it, how could they make it work? "AOLtella! Step right up, folks... Meet our investment banker..." -- ha |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1086878347k@trad... In article writes: Uncontrolled distribution, however, will yield random results. I think, at this point, if you substitute 'uncertain' for 'random' we agree. jb |
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reddred wrote:
"EggHd" wrote... Universal has been sold for cheap? Vivendi did not buy them cheap. Yeah it was a pretty big loss. Vivendi wants to go back to being a water company. Everybody gotta have water and there're no free downloads. -- ha |
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George Gleason wrote:
yeah its been a bitch to find a good wallet or belt kit at radio shack for a while now. Tandy, George, Tandy... -- ha |
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aborgman wrote:
Grateful Dead But by the time the Dead set up areas for folks to tape without getting in the way of the rest of the paying customers, they were already famous and drawing outstanding crowds. Similarly, the other bands you reference built their performance draw first, and therefrom derived the live recording giveaway action. -- ha |
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reddred wrote:
"EggHd" wrote... That's nitpicking, you have your answer. That's silly. Unlike you I met with String Cheese Incident Will you cut that **** out? It's unbecoming. It puts some things into important persepective. Some people here are not speculating about how the business works, nor about who did what when, nor how they did it; they know exactly whereof they speak from firsthand experience of being in the business, and in some cases from being directly involved with the very artsits under discussion in a given thread. Like this here thread, for specific instance. What the man has to say is more relevant than my opinion about how the Cheese does their biz. when they were looking for a record deal years ago and know exaclty how they do business and where their audience came from and it wasn't free mp3's. Who said mp3's? Not you. But I am 100 percent certain that college kids trade free mp3's of string cheese incident, which is part of word-of-mouth, and without that mechanism when SCI played, they wouldn't go. And those kids found those songs before String Cheese had already found a huge audience for their live shows? -- ha |
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Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:
In a previous post you claimed there were no examples of bands who gave away their music and subsequently built a strong base of support for their tours. Now you want to preclude consideration of anybody who has done so. There is nothing "subsequent" about the chronology of the Dead's touring success and their allowance of live taping and trading; first came the crowds; later came the taping. It did not happen in reverse order. Performance drove the taping; taping did not establish the draw. If somebody tries to hold up the Dead as an example of a band the built tehir success on giving away their music, that someone is misinformed about how events flowed. -- ha |
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#1057
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"Jay Kadis" wrote in message ... In article , (hank alrich) wrote: reddred wrote: "EggHd" wrote... Universal has been sold for cheap? Vivendi did not buy them cheap. Yeah it was a pretty big loss. Vivendi wants to go back to being a water company. Everybody gotta have water and there're no free downloads. -- ha What about rain? -Jay We need end-to-end encryption on that stuff and some good DRM. Everybody keeps stealing it. jb |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message . .. reddred wrote: when they were looking for a record deal years ago and know exaclty how they do business and where their audience came from and it wasn't free mp3's. Who said mp3's? Not you. But I am 100 percent certain that college kids trade free mp3's of string cheese incident, which is part of word-of-mouth, and without that mechanism when SCI played, they wouldn't go. And those kids found those songs before String Cheese had already found a huge audience for their live shows? Chicken or egg? It's part of the whole picture. It contributes, just like taping did for deadheads. A burnt cd or an emailed mp3 is more likely to bring a new fan to a show than a live tape was for the dead, but the bootlegs of live shows helped reinforce the fan base. Mp3's of a band seem to perform both functions, especially if they come from a friend. You know, it doesn't matter one bit what anybody's opinion is, there is not one person in or out of the industry that seems to have any concrete idea how this technology affects the music business, and the disconnect between the industry's idea of what is happening and the way the fans actually interface with mp3's is tremendous. jb |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1086968580k@trad... In article writes: Uncontrolled distribution, however, will yield random results. I think, at this point, if you substitute 'uncertain' for 'random' we agree. I'll buy that. Since we agree, you can buy the next round. G You betcha. g jb |
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hank alrich wrote:
reddred wrote: "EggHd" wrote... Universal has been sold for cheap? Vivendi did not buy them cheap. Yeah it was a pretty big loss. Vivendi wants to go back to being a water company. Everybody gotta have water and there're no free downloads. Dude, it's raining. Everybody just wants to sell me a plastic container. Music and water occur in nature without the plastic. ulysses |
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Dude, it's raining. Everybody just wants to sell me a plastic
container. Music and water occur in nature without the plastic What does this mean? You should not pay your water bill? --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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In article ,
Justin Ulysses Morse wrote: hank alrich wrote: reddred wrote: "EggHd" wrote... Universal has been sold for cheap? Vivendi did not buy them cheap. Yeah it was a pretty big loss. Vivendi wants to go back to being a water company. Everybody gotta have water and there're no free downloads. Dude, it's raining. Everybody just wants to sell me a plastic container. Music and water occur in nature without the plastic. yes but you need a paid addmission to enjoy it to me it doesn't matter if it is on a disc, a live concert, or sent via passanger pidgeon the artist needs to have thier copyrights protected the artist needs to be compensated finacial for thier work freeloading fileshares do neither George |
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