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Do we need science in subjective audio "reviewing"?
some people have hastened to suggest that there is a sharp divide
concerning the use of science vs. subjective belief systems in audio. I would be happy to see one subjective audio "reviewer" and fellow traveler marketing dept. who don't turn to asserted scientific validation as quickly as they do to reporting of their perceptual events when listening to some bit of gear and what sonic delight will follow the purchase of same.. This can be as simple as suggesting that the speed of woofer movement makes for "fast" bass or the need to inhibit vibration in solid state audio amps. The $3000 wire folk turn to pulling the cloak of science about their sholders by offering that skin effect or quantum electron alignment or some such the source of the reported perception events the item is said to produce. They will even give us numbers and pretty graphs to that effect. Almost without exception a reviewer will include such marketing blurbs as the proported science underlying the perception effect if they have none of their own to offer. We who are of the view that the source of the reported perception event likely lies in the brain and not the object need not even evoke any science. We need only request simple common sense and simple logic. If the object said to be the source of the perception event is inserted and removed without the listeners knowledge and the perception effect can not be shown beyond chance to track accordingly, a simple bit of deduction best describes the outcome. We need not appeal to what science is violated in the reported source of the perception event at all nor show the claimed but not previously demonstrated science evoked by the subjective event reporter is not substantuated. We need not know anything at all about electronics or acoustics nor psycho/perceptual matters. We need only to show that the reported perception event doesn't track the presence or not of the bit of audio gear said to be it's source. If it does not track the matter is settled, if it does then turning to science makes sense least we get our cart before the horse. |
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Do we need science in subjective audio "reviewing"?
more high-priced cables:
Siltech Empress Crown Interconnect $17,550/meter Siltech Emperor Crown Speaker Cable: $20,400/meter http://www.element-acoustics.ca/Product/siltech.html Nordost Odin Speaker Cable ~$24,000/meter "If you are looking for a fairly subtle improvement from Odin you'll be wrong. The differences are massive.. Alvin Gold Hi-Fi Choice, The Collection 2007 " http://www.nordost.com/index.php?id=855 -- -S A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles" (1748) |
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Do we need science in subjective audio "reviewing"?
On Jul 22, 7:22 pm, "C. Leeds" wrote:
Again, you trot out your $3,000 per foot wire as a straw man example, but you cite no reference for your claims. Hardly a strawman, and examples are trivially easy to find. Check out reviews on Stereophile's website: consider Tara Labs "The Zero Interconnect" at a mere $14,900 a pair for 1 meter lengths. Now, that's not EXACTLY $3000/ft, but at $2257/ft, that's well in the ballpark. The manufacturers description is a collection of techno buzzwords, irrelevant, vague and undefined terms "MIL spec precision, for example), and wild, glowin claims, e.g., "remarkably more open, airy and ;lifelike..." That's just one of MANY examples that are VERY easy to find. |
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Do we need science in subjective audio "reviewing"?
C. Leeds wrote:
wrote: The $3000 wire folk turn to pulling the cloak of science about their sholders by offering that skin effect or quantum electron alignment or some such the source of the reported perception events the item is said to produce. They will even give us numbers and pretty graphs to that effect. Almost without exception a reviewer will include such marketing blurbs as the proported science underlying the perception effect if they have none of their own to offer. Again, you trot out your $3,000 per foot wire as a straw man example, but you cite no reference for your claims. Since you say these things happen "almost with exception," it should be easy for you to provide specific examples for discussion. Will $1K/ft do? http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm Pear Anjou Speaker Cable 3 foot pair - $2750 "Highly Recommended.. "In extended listening sessions, I found the cables' greatest strength to be its PRAT. Simply put these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot-tapping scene with the need or desire to get up and move. Great swing and pace.these cables smack that right on the nose big time." Dave Clark - Dave Clark, Editor Positive Feedback Online If you ever need another example of sheer audiophile silliness, please remember this quote. -- -S A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume, "On Miracles" (1748) |
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Do we need science in subjective audio "reviewing"?
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:38:24 -0700, Steven Sullivan wrote
(in article ): C. Leeds wrote: wrote: The $3000 wire folk turn to pulling the cloak of science about their sholders by offering that skin effect or quantum electron alignment or some such the source of the reported perception events the item is said to produce. They will even give us numbers and pretty graphs to that effect. Almost without exception a reviewer will include such marketing blurbs as the proported science underlying the perception effect if they have none of their own to offer. Again, you trot out your $3,000 per foot wire as a straw man example, but you cite no reference for your claims. Since you say these things happen "almost with exception," it should be easy for you to provide specific examples for discussion. Will $1K/ft do? http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm Pear Anjou Speaker Cable 3 foot pair - $2750 "Highly Recommended.. "In extended listening sessions, I found the cables' greatest strength to be its PRAT. Simply put these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot-tapping scene with the need or desire to get up and move. Great swing and pace.these cables smack that right on the nose big time." Dave Clark - Dave Clark, Editor Positive Feedback Online If you ever need another example of sheer audiophile silliness, please remember this quote. And this guy hails from what galaxy? "Danceable cables" eh? Put on Mozart's "Requiem Mass" with these cables in the system and you want to boogie? Doesn't sound like something that I'd brag about! |
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