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Dynamic range of recent remasters from vinyl
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. Nice! on both LZ's and your part Shame not enough others have the wisdom and power to enforce music with actual dynamics. IIRC, even Bob Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album. IIRC from loudness war discussions, sadly many artists want's that loudness out of fear of not selling like the competition. Maybe artists simply suffer from label/producer induced FUD. Recording/downmix engineers are simply forced, I guess. A three-headed organization to enforce non-needed-loudness is needed: For engineers, for artists, and for consumers - if the latter can be made interested in significant numbers. "Demand music with true dynamics. Join FOLO - the Fully Open Loudness Organization - on folo.org" Ooups.. folo.org is taken by scientology.. -- Kind regards, Mogens V. |
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On Nov 21, 6:27 am, "Mogens V."
wrote: Don Pearce wrote: Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. Nice! on both LZ's and your part Shame not enough others have the wisdom and power to enforce music with actual dynamics. IIRC, even Bob Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album. IIRC from loudness war discussions, sadly many artists want's that loudness out of fear of not selling like the competition. Maybe artists simply suffer from label/producer induced FUD. Recording/downmix engineers are simply forced, I guess. A three-headed organization to enforce non-needed-loudness is needed: For engineers, for artists, and for consumers - if the latter can be made interested in significant numbers. "Demand music with true dynamics. Join FOLO - the Fully Open Loudness Organization - on folo.org" Ooups.. folo.org is taken by scientology.. -- Kind regards, Mogens V. a non-profit music industry organization campaigning to give artists back the choice to release more dynamic records. http://www.turnmeup.org/ |
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Mogens V. wrote:
Shame not enough others have the wisdom and power to enforce music with actual dynamics. IIRC, even Bob Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album. As famous as Bob Dylan is, he sells peanuts while LZ sells big, round bales. He's written almost as many songs as he has sold units. (g -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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Mogens V. wrote: IIRC, even Bob Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album. I got the idea he was fobbed off with some nonsense about it being down to digital. Of course it could be he was selectively quoted in the article I read. But it did go on about 'LP' sound. Which, of course, he'd never hear in the recording studio anyway. -- *A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. There are probably four CD versions of Stairway to Heaven: The early CD of IV; Remasters; IV Remastered; Mothership. It would be interesting to compare them all rather than just one. I wonder if there is a version of III that doesn't sound as if it was recorded on a portable cassette player in a bathroom. -- Eiron. |
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Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. Interestin, thanks. The Rock around the clock CD box RATCCD001 ... 010 seems just like transferred - on the average 2.5 dB headroom - but alas with digital noise reduction overdone. Ah well, mp3'in or wma'ing will take care of those upper treble oddities. At the retail price it is OK, DKK 149 for the box. d Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:23:07 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote: Don Pearce wrote: Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. d My CD of "Hotel California" likewise has very reasonable dynamics. It's not even normalized on some songs. I'm just trying to remember what CD I played the other day which had one song that didn't reach higher than about -11dB FS. It was meant to be quiet, and it was. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:23:07 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote: My CD of "Hotel California" likewise has very reasonable dynamics. It's not even normalized on some songs. Which CD is this? The one I have (from the late eighties) is not crushed, but it's very screechy and has a very exaggerated top end. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. Which 'modern remix/remaster' CD version is this from...and by original vinyl copy, you mean from when? ___ -S "As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy, metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote: In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote: Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. Which 'modern remix/remaster' CD version is this from...and by original vinyl copy, you mean from when? The CD is 1997. I bought the vinyl the first day it appeared in the shops, back in whenever it was they first made it. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan wrote: In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote: Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign of any mastering engineer making it loud. It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge. http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics to see what I found. Which 'modern remix/remaster' CD version is this from...and by original vinyl copy, you mean from when? The CD is 1997. I bought the vinyl the first day it appeared in the shops, back in whenever it was they first made it. Then the CD is from the 1992 remaster series, by George Marino (with oversight from Jimmy Page). Not exactly new. In fact, select tracks have been remastered twice since then...and the whole catalog will probably get remastered again in the next year or two. ___ -S "As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy, metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason |
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