From: (Blind Joni)
Date: 12/11/2004 3:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I still have yet to see anything that defines the word "worry" as
requiring thought about the future, other than the opinions of a couple of
guys
on the Internet

OK..what kind of things do you worry about happening? Things that have
already
happened or things that may happen? How would you worry about something that
has already happened unless you are worrying about it happening AGAIN?

Is that not exactly what a dog does at the vet?

Mr. Middius said:

Marc Phillips said:

I think that's actually worry about the consequences. I've never seen
"worry" used without an element of anticipation. We have many other words
for feelings of unease that aren't dependent on anticipation.

Not to smooch your butt, but yours is a much more reasonable argument than
John
Chiara's. However, I still think it's possible and actually common to
worry
about things that have happened in the past. Your argument can presuppose
that
you may actually worry about these past occurences popping up and biting
you in
the ass at a later date, but I'm talking about worrying in the present, and
how
the things in the past have led you to where you are at that moment, and
what
you could have done to avoid your present predicament.

Well. I just don't use the word that way. I use other words to describe
that kind of situation.


Are you going to offer Mr. **** a wager on whether he'll go to face Lord
Atkinson? Give him ten-to-one odds. It's a sure winner.

I remember when I attended my first CES, shortly after first posting on RAO. I
asked a group of people if Arny was going to show, and they looked at me as if
I was crazy. "He'll never show his face to us in public," seemed to be the
consensus.

Truer words were never spoken.

Boon

John Chiara wrote:

As for worrying about the past, people that are excessively self-critical
often
beat themselves up so to speak about things they've already done and the
effect
these things may have on how others perceive them, for example.

So we can say that "beating themselves up" is the same as "worrying?"
That could be punishing themselves...blaming themselves..making themselves
wrong.
Are there other examples?



The self-punishment is *not* synonymous with worry. However, ruminating about
past behaviors with a concern for how others might view that behavior could
certainly be an example worry. I'm using the term "beat oneself up" more in
the sense of negative ruminations. For example in the cognitive theory for the
generation of depression, negative thoughts - which could be in relation to
either past, present, or future events - could lead to depressive symptoms.








John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637





Bruce J. Richman

For example in the cognitive theory for the
generation of depression, negative thoughts - which could be in relation to
either past, present, or future events - could lead to depressive symptoms.


This makes sense...I believe that a big problem in this area is that many
individuals cannot keep the past from the present from the future.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

Your argument can presuppose that
you may actually worry about these past occurences popping up and biting you
in
the ass at a later date, but I'm talking about worrying in the present, and
how
the things in the past have led you to where you are at that moment, and what
you could have done to avoid your present predicament.


This is my whole perception...maybe more easily understood. Most have th past
all mixed up with the present and that gets mixed up with the future. Without
mechanisms to clear this up we have normal life.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

From: George M. Middius
Date: 12/15/2004 1:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
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S888Wheel said:

From conditioning maybe. He can't worry about a job interview if he's
never
had a job interview before.

So it isn't worrying if it is based on experience? I don't buy that.

I think this example is taken directly from Arnii Krooger's life. But it's
not worry, it's paranoia.











OK that made me laugh.