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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

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(dangling entity) wrote in message . com...
Is there some practical way to do this by doing something funky in the
feedback loop or something? Would there be considerable downsides wrt
the operation of the amplifier itself? Excessive thermal dissipation
in the amplifier output stages, for instance? Do SS amplifiers like
this already exist (for one reason or another), or would this be
relatively virgin territory?



Are you looking for something to drive a novel design of low audio (or
sub-audio) frequency electrical current to air pressure transducer,
perhaps novel enough that conventional terms such as speaker and
subwoofer are inadequate? If it's something you may seek a patent
for, and therefore wish to withhold details, can you at least reveal
input impedence and power requirements? Ordinarily wouldn't lower amp
output impedence be better from a standpoint of damping factor and not
being subjected to too low of a load impedence (i.e., too great a
load, drawing too much current)?


Fiddling with the series resistance affects the drivers Qts value (via
Qes). The requirements on the Qts value can vary between designs. So,
there is actually no universally optimal Qts value, and no universally
optimal series resistance (=damping factor) for a loudspeaker DRIVER.
For the engineer, the series resistance can be seen as an interesting
opportunity to change the Qts value.

To make use of this opportunity, the speaker system would have to be
designed *together* with the series resistance, and would typically
include a built-in amplifier. Positive resistor values could be
realised with an ordinary resistor, but in order to avoid power loss,
it can be realised with negative feedback of the driver current.
Negative resistances can be realised with positive feedback of the
driver current.

Commercially available non-amplified speaker systems are however
almost always designed for a near-zero series impedance, probably
because most amplifiers have a near-zero output impedance.

BTW, having understood these effects it appears clear that the value
of extremely low cable resistances and/or extremely high damping
factors is questionable, IMO. As an example, 100 milliohm series
resistance change would correspond to the resistance change due to a
temperature raise of about 7 degrees celcius of the (4 ohm) voice
coil.

Am I drifting off the topic...? :-)
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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

(unitron) wrote in message . com...
(dangling entity) wrote in message . com...
Is there some practical way to do this by doing something funky in the
feedback loop or something? Would there be considerable downsides wrt
the operation of the amplifier itself? Excessive thermal dissipation
in the amplifier output stages, for instance? Do SS amplifiers like
this already exist (for one reason or another), or would this be
relatively virgin territory?



Are you looking for something to drive a novel design of low audio (or
sub-audio) frequency electrical current to air pressure transducer,
perhaps novel enough that conventional terms such as speaker and
subwoofer are inadequate? If it's something you may seek a patent
for, and therefore wish to withhold details, can you at least reveal
input impedence and power requirements? Ordinarily wouldn't lower amp
output impedence be better from a standpoint of damping factor and not
being subjected to too low of a load impedence (i.e., too great a
load, drawing too much current)?


Fiddling with the series resistance affects the drivers Qts value (via
Qes). The requirements on the Qts value can vary between designs. So,
there is actually no universally optimal Qts value, and no universally
optimal series resistance (=damping factor) for a loudspeaker DRIVER.
For the engineer, the series resistance can be seen as an interesting
opportunity to change the Qts value.

To make use of this opportunity, the speaker system would have to be
designed *together* with the series resistance, and would typically
include a built-in amplifier. Positive resistor values could be
realised with an ordinary resistor, but in order to avoid power loss,
it can be realised with negative feedback of the driver current.
Negative resistances can be realised with positive feedback of the
driver current.

Commercially available non-amplified speaker systems are however
almost always designed for a near-zero series impedance, probably
because most amplifiers have a near-zero output impedance.

BTW, having understood these effects it appears clear that the value
of extremely low cable resistances and/or extremely high damping
factors is questionable, IMO. As an example, 100 milliohm series
resistance change would correspond to the resistance change due to a
temperature raise of about 7 degrees celcius of the (4 ohm) voice
coil.

Am I drifting off the topic...? :-)
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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

(unitron) wrote in message . com...
(dangling entity) wrote in message . com...
Is there some practical way to do this by doing something funky in the
feedback loop or something? Would there be considerable downsides wrt
the operation of the amplifier itself? Excessive thermal dissipation
in the amplifier output stages, for instance? Do SS amplifiers like
this already exist (for one reason or another), or would this be
relatively virgin territory?



Are you looking for something to drive a novel design of low audio (or
sub-audio) frequency electrical current to air pressure transducer,
perhaps novel enough that conventional terms such as speaker and
subwoofer are inadequate? If it's something you may seek a patent
for, and therefore wish to withhold details, can you at least reveal
input impedence and power requirements? Ordinarily wouldn't lower amp
output impedence be better from a standpoint of damping factor and not
being subjected to too low of a load impedence (i.e., too great a
load, drawing too much current)?


Fiddling with the series resistance affects the drivers Qts value (via
Qes). The requirements on the Qts value can vary between designs. So,
there is actually no universally optimal Qts value, and no universally
optimal series resistance (=damping factor) for a loudspeaker DRIVER.
For the engineer, the series resistance can be seen as an interesting
opportunity to change the Qts value.

To make use of this opportunity, the speaker system would have to be
designed *together* with the series resistance, and would typically
include a built-in amplifier. Positive resistor values could be
realised with an ordinary resistor, but in order to avoid power loss,
it can be realised with negative feedback of the driver current.
Negative resistances can be realised with positive feedback of the
driver current.

Commercially available non-amplified speaker systems are however
almost always designed for a near-zero series impedance, probably
because most amplifiers have a near-zero output impedance.

BTW, having understood these effects it appears clear that the value
of extremely low cable resistances and/or extremely high damping
factors is questionable, IMO. As an example, 100 milliohm series
resistance change would correspond to the resistance change due to a
temperature raise of about 7 degrees celcius of the (4 ohm) voice
coil.

Am I drifting off the topic...? :-)
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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

(unitron) wrote in message . com...
(dangling entity) wrote in message . com...
Is there some practical way to do this by doing something funky in the
feedback loop or something? Would there be considerable downsides wrt
the operation of the amplifier itself? Excessive thermal dissipation
in the amplifier output stages, for instance? Do SS amplifiers like
this already exist (for one reason or another), or would this be
relatively virgin territory?



Are you looking for something to drive a novel design of low audio (or
sub-audio) frequency electrical current to air pressure transducer,
perhaps novel enough that conventional terms such as speaker and
subwoofer are inadequate? If it's something you may seek a patent
for, and therefore wish to withhold details, can you at least reveal
input impedence and power requirements? Ordinarily wouldn't lower amp
output impedence be better from a standpoint of damping factor and not
being subjected to too low of a load impedence (i.e., too great a
load, drawing too much current)?


Fiddling with the series resistance affects the drivers Qts value (via
Qes). The requirements on the Qts value can vary between designs. So,
there is actually no universally optimal Qts value, and no universally
optimal series resistance (=damping factor) for a loudspeaker DRIVER.
For the engineer, the series resistance can be seen as an interesting
opportunity to change the Qts value.

To make use of this opportunity, the speaker system would have to be
designed *together* with the series resistance, and would typically
include a built-in amplifier. Positive resistor values could be
realised with an ordinary resistor, but in order to avoid power loss,
it can be realised with negative feedback of the driver current.
Negative resistances can be realised with positive feedback of the
driver current.

Commercially available non-amplified speaker systems are however
almost always designed for a near-zero series impedance, probably
because most amplifiers have a near-zero output impedance.

BTW, having understood these effects it appears clear that the value
of extremely low cable resistances and/or extremely high damping
factors is questionable, IMO. As an example, 100 milliohm series
resistance change would correspond to the resistance change due to a
temperature raise of about 7 degrees celcius of the (4 ohm) voice
coil.

Am I drifting off the topic...? :-)


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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

I'd say svante is pretty much riding the same wavelength I am, in
requesting info on such an odd setup. Negative current feedback, but
watchout for instability, eh? Interesting! So would such a
configuration bring about other barriers to high power output (as in
subwoofer amp sort of watts), relative to conventional low Z-out
amplifiers?
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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

I'd say svante is pretty much riding the same wavelength I am, in
requesting info on such an odd setup. Negative current feedback, but
watchout for instability, eh? Interesting! So would such a
configuration bring about other barriers to high power output (as in
subwoofer amp sort of watts), relative to conventional low Z-out
amplifiers?
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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

I'd say svante is pretty much riding the same wavelength I am, in
requesting info on such an odd setup. Negative current feedback, but
watchout for instability, eh? Interesting! So would such a
configuration bring about other barriers to high power output (as in
subwoofer amp sort of watts), relative to conventional low Z-out
amplifiers?
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Default SS subwoofer amplifier with high-ish output impedance?

I'd say svante is pretty much riding the same wavelength I am, in
requesting info on such an odd setup. Negative current feedback, but
watchout for instability, eh? Interesting! So would such a
configuration bring about other barriers to high power output (as in
subwoofer amp sort of watts), relative to conventional low Z-out
amplifiers?
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