[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 14, 1:23*am, "West" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message

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"E.S." wrote:

I have known west for many years and I have never
met a finer gentleman and scholar.

Very nice to hear.

It doesn't show he has even the first idea about scientific concepts
though.

Graham

Another peanut gallery ankle snipper want to know. Mr. Sifud to you Graham,
is one of the finest theoretical physicists that I know or even read about..
Esra do not answer these typical disespectful American clowns or you will
end up with nothing but grief. They wait in the shadows looking to snare
honest and naive posters. PLEASE IGNORE THEM. Thanks and I pray that your
wife is ding much better, I will email you to follow up and give you a list
of those to avoid and those who are decent..

Peace,
west



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Um... Graham.... Um.... please tell me you "got it"? Dufis Arse....
Pillock was trying to be clever.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Eeyore]

Peter Wieck wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:23 am, "West" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message

...



"E.S." wrote:

I have known west for many years and I have never
met a finer gentleman and scholar.

Very nice to hear.

It doesn't show he has even the first idea about scientific concepts
though.

Graham

Another peanut gallery ankle snipper want to know. Mr. Sifud to you Graham,
is one of the finest theoretical physicists that I know or even read about.
Esra do not answer these typical disespectful American clowns or you will
end up with nothing but grief. They wait in the shadows looking to snare
honest and naive posters. PLEASE IGNORE THEM. Thanks and I pray that your
wife is ding much better, I will email you to follow up and give you a list
of those to avoid and those who are decent..

Peace,
west



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Um... Graham.... Um.... please tell me you "got it"? Dufis Arse....
Pillock was trying to be clever.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Clever ? Does he even know the meaning of the word ?

Graham

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 14, 4:29*am, "Hypertension" wrote:

I'm waiting for Erdna Etuj the renowned Albanian biochemist to pop up with a
testimonial for Pillock.

Mpfff... I was expecting Etaoin Shrdlu until I realized that pillock
is far too young to understand that one.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 1:02 am, "West" wrote:

OK, I know you've been waiting a long time for me to pose this question to
you, so I'll bite ... What's a Pillock?

Noun 1. pillock - a person who is not very bright; "The economy,
stupid!"
dolt, dullard, poor fish, pudden-head, pudding head, stupe, stupid,
stupid person.

Actually, I would have thought that you had the wherewithall to look
it up for yourself. I guess I was wrong. But a linguist, or even a
reasonably well-read individual having only English would have know
that word immediately. So, the definition holds in your case.

Peter. Interestingly, the word does not appear in
my copy of the Standard Oxford Dictionary.
It has its roots in either Anglo Saxon or
Middle English.

As Sir Michael Caine would say:
"Not a lot of people know that"

:-)
Iain

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 15, 6:03*am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message

...
On Jan 14, 1:02 am, "West" wrote:

OK, I know you've been waiting a long time for me to pose this question to
you, so I'll bite ... What's a Pillock?
Noun 1. pillock - a person who is not very bright; "The economy,
stupid!"
dolt, dullard, poor fish, pudden-head, pudding head, stupe, stupid,
stupid person.
*Actually, I would have thought that you had the wherewithall to look
*it up for yourself. I guess I was wrong. But a linguist, or even a
*reasonably well-read individual having only English would have know
*that word immediately. So, the definition holds in your case.

Peter. Interestingly, the word does not appear in
my copy of the *Standard Oxford Dictionary.
It has its roots in either Anglo Saxon or
Middle English.

As Sir Michael Caine would say:
"Not a lot of people know that"

:-)
Iain

With respect - there is only one (1) dictionary. I suggest you look up
Simon Winchester's book: The Meaning of Everything. It is a
fascinating read if a little bit dry.

And it certainly is in that one dictionary:

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/pillock?view=uk

It is quite a common word in literature, especially where "clean"
vituperation is required. It also has the necessary hard sounds most
expressive of contempt. Even without a precise understanding of the
meaning, the point is made.

Funny thing, there are +/- 1,000,000 (there are "precise" figures of
988,000 +/- 3000 out there) words in the English Language - the
average individual might know about 2% of those, and use perhaps 0.2%
regularly. As much of the "western" world is becoming "watchers"
rather than "readers", those numbers will likely shrink. Sad. Worse,
there is an entire generation that looks at language with suspicion
rather than fascination. Even sadder.

/;-b

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[RdM]

"Iain Churches" in
s.saunalahti.fi:

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 1:02 am, "West" wrote:

OK, I know you've been waiting a long time for me to pose this question to
you, so I'll bite ... What's a Pillock?

Noun 1. pillock - a person who is not very bright; "The economy,
stupid!"
dolt, dullard, poor fish, pudden-head, pudding head, stupe, stupid,
stupid person.

Actually, I would have thought that you had the wherewithall to look
it up for yourself. I guess I was wrong. But a linguist, or even a
reasonably well-read individual having only English would have know
that word immediately. So, the definition holds in your case.

Peter. Interestingly, the word does not appear in
my copy of the Standard Oxford Dictionary.
It has its roots in either Anglo Saxon or
Middle English.

As Sir Michael Caine would say:
"Not a lot of people know that"

:-)
Iain

Well, I knew it;- and the free version of this (Windows) software knows it:
http://wordweb.info/

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright
--
RdM
--

"And who are you that men should rend their bosom and unveil their pride, that
you may see their worth naked and their pride unabashed? "

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet, 'Giving'. http://www.kahlil.org/prophetpf

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
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On Jan 15, 6:03 am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message

Peter. Interestingly, the word does not appear in
my copy of the Standard Oxford Dictionary.
It has its roots in either Anglo Saxon or
Middle English.

As Sir Michael Caine would say:
"Not a lot of people know that"

:-)
Iain

With respect - there is only one (1) dictionary. I suggest you look up
Simon Winchester's book: The Meaning of Everything. It is a
fascinating read if a little bit dry.

Thanks. Interesting. I will certainly try to find it
It is a very long time since I studied English literature,
but the Oxford was then the standard work for modern
English. There were other dictionaries which sadly I
no longer have, for earlier language.

It is quite a common word in literature, especially where "clean"
vituperation is required. It also has the necessary hard sounds most
expressive of contempt. Even without a precise understanding of the
meaning, the point is made.

There are very few native English speakers who don't know the
meaning of the word. I would guess that West was pulling your
leg.

Funny thing, there are +/- 1,000,000 (there are "precise" figures of
988,000 +/- 3000 out there) words in the English Language

I think you will find that the official British English vocabularly is
considerably larger than this.

- the
average individual might know about 2% of those, and use perhaps 0.2%
regularly. As much of the "western" world is becoming "watchers"
rather than "readers", those numbers will likely shrink. Sad. Worse,
there is an entire generation that looks at language with suspicion
rather than fascination. Even sadder.

The use of words like "cool" to replace twenty or so other adjectives
over a long period of time means that words falling into disuse get
forgotten.
The students in our literature class where forbidden to use the word "nice"
which was not nice at all:-)

Oddly enough people here in Scandinavia have a remarkably good command
of English. The Swedes, who have a very high standard of general education
anyway, tend to have a good vocabulary and command of English syntax. I
have a friend who tells me very good and complex jokes in English. I always
wonder how he knows the words and grasps the subtle language-based humour.


Education's a wonderful fing innit:-)

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"RdM" wrote in message
...
"Iain Churches" in
s.saunalahti.fi:

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Jan 14, 1:02 am, "West" wrote:

OK, I know you've been waiting a long time for me to pose this question
to
you, so I'll bite ... What's a Pillock?


Well, I knew it;- and the free version of this (Windows) software knows
it:
http://wordweb.info/

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright
--
RdM

As I said to Peter, I bet West knew it too, and was just pulling
Peter's leg.

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 15, 12:42*pm, "Iain Churches" wrote:

There are very few native English speakers who don't know the
meaning of the word. I would guess that West was pulling your
leg.

I am not so sure of this - I would like to believe it however. Pillock
is an unhappy combination of youth and ignorance leavened with
desperate inadequacy, and that makes him churlish at his best. I agree
that he knew the meaning of the word, but execution of the leg-pulling
aspect is entirely beyond his capacity. Dufis (sic) Arse is ample
proof of that.

In part, his condition makes him the perfect foil for the likes of
Andre - age, arrogance and desperate inadequacy - which is sad. And
why I at least tried to give him a graceful way out of his "proposal"
despite the three obvious identities displayed in less than two weeks
and many others before that. WIth time, he may come around. As it is
now - ah, well.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Ian Iveson]

Ross wrote:

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your report.

It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit") is
similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in the
OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a written
word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we know how to
spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

Ian

[David R Brooks]

Ian Iveson wrote:
Ross wrote:

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your report.

It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit") is
similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in the
OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a written
word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we know how to
spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

Well, some Parliaments are quite broadminded. Canberra once witnessed
the following exchange:
Sir Winton Turnbull: "I am a Country Member!"
Gough Whitlam: "We remember."

[Andre Jute]

On Jan 17, 8:25*am, David R Brooks wrote:
Ian Iveson wrote:
Ross wrote:

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your report.

It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit") is
similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in the
OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a written
word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we know how to
spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

Well, some Parliaments are quite broadminded. Canberra once witnessed
the following exchange:
* Sir Winton Turnbull: "I am a Country Member!"
* Gough Whitlam: "We remember."

That was the beginning of the end for Whitlam, being a smartarse for
his gallery, demonstrating that he didn't know who owned and ran the
country: the Country. Not too long afterwards Sir John Kerr, the
Governor General, took care of Whitlam's bunch of incompetent city
hall socialists and in the election following the natural rulers were
reinstated.

Andre "Long Memory" Jute

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 16, 11:32*pm, "Ian Iveson"
wrote:
Ross wrote:
Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your report.

It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit") is
similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in the
OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a written
word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we know how to
spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

Ian

Pillock is most certainly in the OED. It is not in the "Oxford
Dictionary". They are not hardly the same thing.

http://www.askoxford.com/results/?vi...archtype=exact

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Patrick Turner]

Andre Jute wrote:

On Jan 17, 8:25 am, David R Brooks wrote:
Ian Iveson wrote:
Ross wrote:

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your report.

It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit") is
similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in the
OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a written
word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we know how to
spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

Well, some Parliaments are quite broadminded. Canberra once witnessed
the following exchange:
Sir Winton Turnbull: "I am a Country Member!"
Gough Whitlam: "We remember."

That was the beginning of the end for Whitlam, being a smartarse for
his gallery, demonstrating that he didn't know who owned and ran the
country: the Country. Not too long afterwards Sir John Kerr, the
Governor General, took care of Whitlam's bunch of incompetent city
hall socialists and in the election following the natural rulers were
reinstated.

The "natural rulers" of Oz are not the right wing fuctards
who sleep with big business, but whoever gets naturally voted into power
by the people.

Over the last recent years the ONLY governemnt which was Liberal and
hence
what you call "natural rulers" was the Federal Government.
In all states and territories there have been Labor governments for some
time.

John Howard got old, and ran out of ideas and he wouldn't retire, so the
people retired him AND HIS RIGHTWING PARTY HELL BENT ON RAISING
THE COST OF LIVING WHILE REDUCING WAGES AND CONDITIONS.

Now we now seem to have a ONE PARTY Democracy, and if Mr Rudd our now PM
**** up big time,
we'll vote him out in 3 years.

The Liberal party which is your "natural ruler" are in the process of
dysfuntionating badly.

John Howard not only lost the Federal Oz election badly, but lost his
own seat in Parliment
to a Labor woman candidate.

But all won't be so easy for the new Govt.

BTW, Whitlam wasn't too bad a guy really, and gave us the social changes
like
no fault divorce and alternative radio stations.

But sure, he had some real dull ****wits working with the economy
and they had difficulty running a chook raffle.

I met John Kerr one day at a staffer Xmas party because my wife at that
time
worked as a typist in the right dept.
He was quite drunk when we arrived at 5pm, but what you'd expect from an
alcoholic.
He was a right count of course; an establishment dumb**** who many ppl
hated for years
after he sacked the elected government.


The company I worked for at that time in 1974/5 were building extensions
to
Canberra government schools; I was a leading hand then, and I knew the
company owner well
and he was a personal friend to the Liberal big wigs then in opposition.
The Liberals had the majority in the senate and they blocked Supply,
which stopped money
going to people working for the Government, including stopping progress
claim payments
to the company I worked for.
My company was OK enough to carry on and go without being paid for 6
mths.
Something or someone had to give in, and the Liberals held out, and
Kerr, the Govenor General and Queen's rep in Oz took the decision to
sack the Government.
In the Election that followed the people backed his decision, but Labor
ppl
moaned for years and years after about how they was robbed.
Fraser, the Liberal who cornered Whitlam in conjunction with Kerr
only lasted till 1983 when a staunch unionist and Labor guy Bob Hawke
won in a landslide.


No ****ing body is a "natural ruler" in Oz.

But there sure is no shortage of natural ****ing bull**** artists in the
House
just 10km across town from where I live.

Patrick Turner.











Andre "Long Memory" Jute

[Arny Krueger]

"Ian Iveson" wrote in
message
.uk
Ross wrote:

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your
report.
It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit")
is similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in
the OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a
written word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we
know how to spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

LOL!

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 17, 7:10*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

Um... No. With respect, that would be Polack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack

Pollock/Pollack is the fish.

Yikes!

Peter Wieck

[Arny Krueger]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message

On Jan 17, 7:10 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

Um... No. With respect, that would be Polack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack

Pollock/Pollack is the fish.

Yikes!

It takes a real stiff to demand that slang words follow their preferred
rules for spelling.

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 17, 7:42*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message



On Jan 17, 7:10 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

Um... No. With respect, that would be Polack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack

Pollock/Pollack is the fish.

Yikes!

It takes a real stiff to demand that slang words follow their preferred
rules for spelling.

Ya know... this gets back to conversations when someone has said to
me: "But you know what I mean".

Often, I am forced to answer: "I know what you said - but I am still
not quite sure what you mean."

If you were to write in a sentence Jan Borkevicz is a pollack, you
would have written that he is a fish, one sort of insult. Were you to
have written that he is a polack, you would have used a derogatory
term for his nationality. Entirely another sort of insult.

You are stating that you would not have known the difference? I am
stating that there is a significant difference that could lead to
serious misunderstandings... As a fairly recent public incident over
the word "niggardly" demonstrated - and for you not to understand that
immediately, worse, to defend your ignorance is not only stiff, but
dangerous.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Ian Iveson]

Peter wrote:

*****
Pillock is most certainly in the OED. It is not in the
"Oxford
Dictionary". They are not hardly the same thing.

http://www.askoxford.com/results/?vi...archtype=exact


******

Good, thanks. Still a weak definition, though. My comparison
with "****wit" seems reasonable considering the etymology.

My only dictionary was a Funk and Wagnell when I was little.
Good pictures of fish and birds, I remember.

cheers, Ian

[West]

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Peter Wieck wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:23 am, "West" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message

...



"E.S." wrote:

I have known west for many years and I have never
met a finer gentleman and scholar.

Very nice to hear.

It doesn't show he has even the first idea about scientific concepts
though.

Graham

Another peanut gallery ankle snipper want to know. Mr. Sifud to you
Graham,
is one of the finest theoretical physicists that I know or even read
about.
Esra do not answer these typical disespectful American clowns or you
will
end up with nothing but grief. They wait in the shadows looking to
snare
honest and naive posters. PLEASE IGNORE THEM. Thanks and I pray that
your
wife is ding much better, I will email you to follow up and give you a
list
of those to avoid and those who are decent..

Peace,
west



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Um... Graham.... Um.... please tell me you "got it"? Dufis Arse....
Pillock was trying to be clever.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Clever ? Does he even know the meaning of the word ?

Graham

Dumb arse. Clever isn't a word in any lexicon. It's a proper name like Wally
Clever in "Leave it to Beaver." ... and you're an engineer? I think you
drive cho cho trains.... If you know what's best you will not provoke Mr.
Sifud who has many friends in high places.
Cordially,
west
BTW: I told you later. How did it feel?

west

[West]

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
o.uk...
Peter wrote:

*****
Pillock is most certainly in the OED. It is not in the
"Oxford
Dictionary". They are not hardly the same thing.


http://www.askoxford.com/results/?vi...archtype=exact


******

Good, thanks. Still a weak definition, though. My comparison
with "****wit" seems reasonable considering the etymology.

My only dictionary was a Funk and Wagnell when I was little.
Good pictures of fish and birds, I remember.

cheers, Ian

Does your system have a good sound staage?

west

[Arny Krueger]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message

On Jan 17, 7:42 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message



On Jan 17, 7:10 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

Um... No. With respect, that would be Polack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack

Pollock/Pollack is the fish.

Yikes!

It takes a real stiff to demand that slang words follow
their preferred rules for spelling.

Ya know... this gets back to conversations when someone
has said to me: "But you know what I mean".

Often, I am forced to answer: "I know what you said - but
I am still not quite sure what you mean."

If you were to write in a sentence Jan Borkevicz is a
pollack, you would have written that he is a fish, one
sort of insult.

I'm saying that people are generally smart enough to read casual writing at
least a little phonetically, and when they see pollack, a gosh-awful lot of
them will not be so pedantic as to think of a fish.


It's one of those rules of Usenet, that when someone starts picking at the
spelling or punctuation, they are either really bored, or know they've lost
the argument on logical grounds, or both.

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 17, 8:50*am, "Ian Iveson"
wrote:

My only dictionary was a Funk and Wagnell when I was little.
Good pictures of fish and birds, I remember.

You and Goldie Hawn...

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 17, 9:07*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message







On Jan 17, 7:42 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message



On Jan 17, 7:10 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

Um... No. With respect, that would be Polack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polack

Pollock/Pollack is the fish.

Yikes!

It takes a real stiff to demand that slang words follow
their preferred rules for spelling.

Ya know... this gets back to conversations when someone
has said to me: "But you know what I mean".

Often, I am forced to answer: "I know what you said - but
I am still not quite sure what you mean."

If you were to write in a sentence Jan Borkevicz is a
pollack, you would have written that he is a fish, one
sort of insult.

I'm saying that people are generally smart enough to read casual writing at
least a little phonetically, and *when they see pollack, a gosh-awful lot of
them will not be so pedantic as to think of a fish.

It's one of those rules of Usenet, that when someone starts picking at the
spelling or punctuation, they are either really bored, or know they've lost
the argument on logical grounds, or both.- Hide quoted text -

Actually, you are stating that you are not clever enough to recognize
or intend such a pun in cold blood. Were you to consider language as
either a particularly blunt instrument or a complex, sharp and useful
tool would color your respect for the finer points of grammar, syntax
and spelling. I would prefer to believe, if confonting "Pollock" used
as an insult to a person of Polish extraction, that the user was
creating a pun vs. simply being a bad speller. You must live in a very
dull and literal world that you should so strongly fear nuance.

That you then claim a "rule" to support your ignorance would be the
fallacy of higher authority. Which, for the record, is much more a
sign of desperation than pointing out the difference between two
entirely different words - a fish and an insult.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[West]

I find it difficult to talk to someone named "Flipper." How old are you
....16..? What's your real name.

west


"flipper" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:55:45 GMT, "West" wrote:


"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Peter Wieck wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:23 am, "West" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message

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"E.S." wrote:

I have known west for many years and I have never
met a finer gentleman and scholar.

Very nice to hear.

It doesn't show he has even the first idea about scientific
concepts
though.

Graham

Another peanut gallery ankle snipper want to know. Mr. Sifud to you
Graham,
is one of the finest theoretical physicists that I know or even
read
about.
Esra do not answer these typical disespectful American clowns or
you
will
end up with nothing but grief. They wait in the shadows looking to
snare
honest and naive posters. PLEASE IGNORE THEM. Thanks and I pray
that
your
wife is ding much better, I will email you to follow up and give
you a
list
of those to avoid and those who are decent..

Peace,
west



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Um... Graham.... Um.... please tell me you "got it"? Dufis Arse....
Pillock was trying to be clever.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Clever ? Does he even know the meaning of the word ?

Graham

Dumb arse. Clever isn't a word in any lexicon.

When did they repeal this definition?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/clever


It's a proper name like Wally
Clever in "Leave it to Beaver." ...

That's spelled "Cleaver."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Cleaver

and you're an engineer? I think you
drive cho cho trains....

That would be "choo-choo" as in

http://www.choochootrainpreschool.com/


If you know what's best you will not provoke Mr.
Sifud who has many friends in high places.
Cordially,
west
BTW: I told you later. How did it feel?

west

[West]

Hey Ian, I heard you have a killer system. How's your soundstage?

west


"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Patrick Turner wrote:

The problem with ALL OTL amps using tubes is that
there is a terrible mismatch between load and Ra;
ie, RL Ra, and ...

One thing I've always thought strange about the world is
that there are very few compound anode characteristic
curves, depicting PP operation, shown in books or on the
net. Some day I will extend my loadline illustrations to
show curves for valve pairs. Curves showing valves with
active loads might be good, too.

Anyway, could you explain in a short succinct statement why
this:

...the tube MUST be set up to operate in nearly all class
B

is the case?

Because it probably isn't obvious.

Looking at my triode illustration because it shows an
operating point and loadline:

I can see that, as the load for a triode is decreased,
rotating the loadline clockwise about the operating point,
the difference in power dissipation between idle and full
signal increases with rising even harmonics at the anode.
That is, the extra current required to reach 0Vgk gets much
greater than the decrease in current for the same signal in
the other direction. This forces the designer to move the DC
operating point further and further away from the curve
showing the limit of power dissipation.

Moving the operating point down automatically introduces a
degree of class B operation, because the notional definition
of class A would put the operating point half way between
0Vgk and cutoff.

The other way of moving away from the power limit would be
to decrease the anode voltage. But this also has the effect
of reducing power output, so perhaps the ratio of output
power to power dissipation doesn't improve.

Anyway, what is clear from a simple view of a loadline is
that, as it gets steeper, the opportunity for a signal to
drive a valve beyond its power limit increases dramatically.

Another feature of the world where god has fallen short of
due attention to detail is the fact that valves cannot,
fundamentally AFAIK, do proper bass, in the modern sense of
the word. They aren't big enough. We need a KT352. Otherwise
we need compound output stages (including parallel valves)
to reduce the OPT turns ratio. Same problem...high anode
resistance...aggravated by the trend to lower impedance
speaks and loud deep funky bass.

Of all the ways of using valves for modern music, the
Circlotron is the most attractive way, for me, to reduce
turns ratio. But I need to have another look...what does the
loadline look like for each of the two output valves? Can
the sweetness and light be maintained, or are we using
feedback to make up for poor loading?

I am reminded that, occasionally, visitors here don't know
about load lines. That's what they should look into straight
away, no dallying.

And another thing: people should need to pass a test and get
a licence before being allowed to build a cathode follower,
or in any other way risk the temptation to load a triode
with anything less than 2.5 times its anode resistance.

That is my proposal for the First Commandment of Triode
Fidelity.

unless you have a shirt&trouser load of tubes; ie, a lot
more than
Atmasphere use.

Tubes regularly overheat and bow out after becoming
subject to effects
of thermal runaway.
Connecting a shorted speaker isn't well tolerated at
all...

So If I had to build an OTL, I'd make sure there was a 1
ohm R in each
cathode or anode circuit
to sense Idc and should the Idc rise above a value where
Pda is exceeded
for more than 4 seconds,
then the amp shuts down. So sine wave testing to clipping
would shut the
amp down every time.
Maybe music won't because of its duty cycle, or because
the average PO
is far less than the clipping with sine wave level.

One guy I heard even used a pair of 13E1.
6C33 is also a very good tube for OTL.

The lower the load, the more likely tubes will blow.

Many folks buy an external coupling tranny, ZeroImpedance
make good
ones,
and these can make a 4 ohms speaker load appear to the
tubes as say 20
ohms,
but 50 ohms would even be better, and then you get much
more class A and
little likelyhood of tube failure.

But its placing an OPT where one has tried to avoid it....

However, the OPT hasn't got balanced dc....and the Zero
Impedance types
have
very good BW 10Hz to 1Mhz I found and have negligible
winding losses
so that the tranny does not leave any sonic signature
apart from
improving the sound because the SHOULD have been a
transformer there in
the first place.

I think the Circlotron way of aranging the circuit is THE
best.

Best, or least bad, depending on how you look. The only
choice, I would say, for many modern speakers playing much
modern music. The only thing done that was worth doing since
Then.

Ian

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 18, 3:12*am, "West" wrote:
I find it difficult to talk to someone named "Flipper." How old are you
...16..? What's your real name.

Pillock,

You find many obvious things difficult - and from your words you are
further given to attempting the impossible. Perhaps some remedial
education might do you some good. And were Flipper to be an actual 16
calendar years old, that would put him at least 6 years ahead of you
on the mental achievement scale.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[West]

"flipper" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:12:12 GMT, "West" wrote:

I find it difficult to talk to someone named "Flipper."

Too many letters in it for you?

How old are you
...16..?

No, but it's interesting you'd figure 16 year olds spell better than
you and know that "clever" is a real word.

What's your real name.

Undisclosed

At least your honest, not like that phoney name Peter Wieck which I looked
up. (unlike Peter who spends days and hours trying to find something,
anything on me), He is a sickly obsessed pathogen who longs to find out what
i'm made up of so he can compare himself to. Pathetic...isn't. Now I have to
keep watching out when I walk so that I do not inadvertantly step on him.
Peter Wieck + Ficticious Name

west

west


"flipper" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:55:45 GMT, "West" wrote:


"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Peter Wieck wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:23 am, "West" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in
message

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"E.S." wrote:

I have known west for many years and I have never
met a finer gentleman and scholar.

Very nice to hear.

It doesn't show he has even the first idea about scientific
concepts
though.

Graham

Another peanut gallery ankle snipper want to know. Mr. Sifud to
you
Graham,
is one of the finest theoretical physicists that I know or even
read
about.
Esra do not answer these typical disespectful American clowns or
you
will
end up with nothing but grief. They wait in the shadows looking
to
snare
honest and naive posters. PLEASE IGNORE THEM. Thanks and I pray
that
your
wife is ding much better, I will email you to follow up and give
you a
list
of those to avoid and those who are decent..

Peace,
west



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Um... Graham.... Um.... please tell me you "got it"? Dufis
Arse....
Pillock was trying to be clever.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Clever ? Does he even know the meaning of the word ?

Graham

Dumb arse. Clever isn't a word in any lexicon.

When did they repeal this definition?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/clever


It's a proper name like Wally
Clever in "Leave it to Beaver." ...

That's spelled "Cleaver."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Cleaver

and you're an engineer? I think you
drive cho cho trains....

That would be "choo-choo" as in

http://www.choochootrainpreschool.com/


If you know what's best you will not provoke Mr.
Sifud who has many friends in high places.
Cordially,
west
BTW: I told you later. How did it feel?

west

[Eeyore]

West wrote:

He is a sickly obsessed pathogen who longs to find out what
i'm made up of so he can compare himself to.

And YOU are ?

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 19, 3:16*am, Eeyore
wrote:
West wrote:
He is a sickly obsessed pathogen who longs to find out what
i'm made up of so he can compare himself to.

And YOU are ?

"HE" is:

William E. Westley, Jr.
10451 Maverick Street
New Port Richey, FL 34654

But then, also AL, Bill, JJ, Photobug, Loser1 and others too numerous
to mention.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
o.uk...
Peter wrote:

*****
Pillock is most certainly in the OED. It is not in the "Oxford
Dictionary". They are not hardly the same thing.

http://www.askoxford.com/results/?vi...archtype=exact


******

Good, thanks. Still a weak definition, though. My comparison with
"****wit" seems reasonable considering the etymology.

My only dictionary was a Funk and Wagnell when I was little. Good pictures
of fish and birds, I remember.

cheers, Ian

:-)) Was *pollock* among the fish, I wonder?

Iain

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Ian Iveson" wrote in
message
.uk
Ross wrote:

Noun: pillock
Usage: Brit, vulgar
1. A person who is not very bright

Rather inadequate IMO. It's an insult, as I have heard it,
rather than something a teacher might write on your
report.
It's less vulgar than "****wit", but the meaning (and lack
thereof compared to something like "halfwit" or "dimwit")
is similar.

Seems daft for a dictionary to be euphemistic.

Wondering if it would be acceptable in the House,
considering it's not in the OED, and would be an apt
description of many MPs. Wondering also why it's not in
the OED. Perhaps it has never been established as a
written word? Seems an unlikely explanation. How do we
know how to spell it?

My American spell checker suggests "Pollock", but that's a
kind of fish.

LOL!

Pollock is American slang for a person from Poland.

Surely not. Pollock is a fish. The slang word for a
Polish ex-patriate is Polack (sometime written "Polak")

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Polack

Regards
Iain

[West]

Don't get caught up with Peter Wieck. Way back he tried to brag to me (Via
emails) that he ran a diagnostic clinic. When I pinned him down, he told me
that he suffers from clinical depression and has deeply regretted hitting
his wife several times. His relationship with her is hanging on a thin
thread. I don't know why he poured his heart out to me. I can only guess
that he was so embarrassed by being caught in a lie about the diagnostic
clinic which turned out to be a restored radio fest in which he set up a
booth demonstrating radio restoration techniques. I wouldn't of "spilled the
beans" about Peter but his relentless attacks gave me no choice. Hopefully
this revelation will quiet him, at least for a while.

west

"flipper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:03:42 GMT, "West" wrote:


"flipper" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:12:12 GMT, "West" wrote:

I find it difficult to talk to someone named "Flipper."

Too many letters in it for you?

How old are you
...16..?

No, but it's interesting you'd figure 16 year olds spell better than
you and know that "clever" is a real word.

What's your real name.

Undisclosed

At least your honest, not like that phoney name Peter Wieck which I
looked
up. (unlike Peter who spends days and hours trying to find something,
anything on me), He is a sickly obsessed pathogen who longs to find out
what
i'm made up of so he can compare himself to. Pathetic...isn't. Now I have
to
keep watching out when I walk so that I do not inadvertantly step on him.
Peter Wieck + Ficticious Name

My original reason was I didn't care for a few billion SPAMs per day,
and it's a lot more effective to have nothing readily decodable than
to rely on inventing something the decoders haven't already thought
of, but your little tirade exemplifies what would be another good
reason.


west

west


"flipper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:55:45 GMT, "West" wrote:


"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Peter Wieck wrote:

On Jan 14, 1:23 am, "West" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in
message

...



"E.S." wrote:

I have known west for many years and I have never
met a finer gentleman and scholar.

Very nice to hear.

It doesn't show he has even the first idea about scientific
concepts
though.

Graham

Another peanut gallery ankle snipper want to know. Mr. Sifud
to
you
Graham,
is one of the finest theoretical physicists that I know or
even
read
about.
Esra do not answer these typical disespectful American clowns
or
you
will
end up with nothing but grief. They wait in the shadows
looking
to
snare
honest and naive posters. PLEASE IGNORE THEM. Thanks and I
pray
that
your
wife is ding much better, I will email you to follow up and
give
you a
list
of those to avoid and those who are decent..

Peace,
west



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Um... Graham.... Um.... please tell me you "got it"? Dufis
Arse....
Pillock was trying to be clever.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Clever ? Does he even know the meaning of the word ?

Graham

Dumb arse. Clever isn't a word in any lexicon.

When did they repeal this definition?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/clever


It's a proper name like Wally
Clever in "Leave it to Beaver." ...

That's spelled "Cleaver."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Cleaver

and you're an engineer? I think you
drive cho cho trains....

That would be "choo-choo" as in

http://www.choochootrainpreschool.com/


If you know what's best you will not provoke Mr.
Sifud who has many friends in high places.
Cordially,
west
BTW: I told you later. How did it feel?

west

[Peter Wieck]

Pillock:

So, you are caught in repeated lies and you think this will help your
"cause"? And you bleat about religion?

Do go on. You dig yourself ever deeper.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[WindsorFox-{SS}-]

West wrote:
Don't get caught up with Peter Wieck. Way back he tried to brag to me (Via
emails) that he ran a diagnostic clinic. When I pinned him down, he told me
that he suffers from clinical depression and has deeply regretted hitting
his wife several times. His relationship with her is hanging on a thin
thread. I don't know why he poured his heart out to me. I can only guess
that he was so embarrassed by being caught in a lie about the diagnostic
clinic which turned out to be a restored radio fest in which he set up a
booth demonstrating radio restoration techniques. I wouldn't of "spilled the
beans" about Peter but his relentless attacks gave me no choice. Hopefully
this revelation will quiet him, at least for a while.

west

But do you still beat your wife?? Yes or No.

--
"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath

"Daytime television sucked 20 years ago,
and it still sucks today!" - Marc Bissonette

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 30, 9:37*pm, WindsorFox-{SS}-

* * But do you still beat your wife?? *Yes or No.

Windsor:

No danger of that for pillock.

That would require him to have a wife...

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[West]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Jan 30, 9:37 pm, WindsorFox-{SS}-

But do you still beat your wife?? Yes or No.

Windsor:

No danger of that for pillock.

That would require him to have a wife...

It's OK. I feel sorry for you.

west

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Peter Wieck]

On Jan 31, 9:59*pm, "West" wrote:

It's OK. I feel sorry for you.

Why thank you!

I was wondering where that warm, fuzzy feeling was coming from...

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[West]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
...
On Jan 31, 9:59 pm, "West" wrote:

It's OK. I feel sorry for you.

Why thank you!

I was wondering where that warm, fuzzy feeling was coming from...

Take your hands out of your pockets, pervert!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA