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Why do my old demos from 7 yrs ago sound better than the current #1 selling album in america?
Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd?
I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. |
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"Faragan" wrote in message
om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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"Faragan" wrote in message
om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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Biggest mistake #1, comparing your mixes to all 'professional' mixes.
Dave "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01... "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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Biggest mistake #1, comparing your mixes to all 'professional' mixes.
Dave "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01... "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01...
"Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". __________________________ MisteRogers asks: "Can you say 'excessive dynamic compression' ?" I saw it somewhere - it escapes me - online a list of prominent CDs produced since 1984, showing the title, artist, and average sound level in Digital terms. Basically, album by album, the average level crept closer to zero - the digital audio theoretical maximum never to be exceeded. -10, -11, -9, -9, -6, -7, -7, -4, and so on. Higher overall volumes at the expense of dynamic vitality. : ( Translated to even a violin solo, this means you are losing the peaks and valleys that compose a violin's essence! This is why I have to drag out some of my old vinyl to really experience the artist's intent - something lost on the CD transcripts and digital "Remasters". -ChrisCoaster |
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"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01...
"Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". __________________________ MisteRogers asks: "Can you say 'excessive dynamic compression' ?" I saw it somewhere - it escapes me - online a list of prominent CDs produced since 1984, showing the title, artist, and average sound level in Digital terms. Basically, album by album, the average level crept closer to zero - the digital audio theoretical maximum never to be exceeded. -10, -11, -9, -9, -6, -7, -7, -4, and so on. Higher overall volumes at the expense of dynamic vitality. : ( Translated to even a violin solo, this means you are losing the peaks and valleys that compose a violin's essence! This is why I have to drag out some of my old vinyl to really experience the artist's intent - something lost on the CD transcripts and digital "Remasters". -ChrisCoaster |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
om... MisteRogers asks: "Can you say 'excessive dynamic compression' ?" I saw it somewhere - it escapes me - online a list of prominent CDs produced since 1984, showing the title, artist, and average sound level in Digital terms. Basically, album by album, the average level crept closer to zero - the digital audio theoretical maximum never to You can definitely graph it out. I have Rhapsody.com so I have a huge range of old and new music to draw from. That's the only place I'd ever hear this "new" music anyway so a lot of stuff I want to check out I throw in a playlist with other stuff I'm listening too. There's practically no way to set a speaker level that allows you hear every thing well (older stuff) and not be blown across the room when the new stuff comes on. As soothing as analog is it's even more so when one of those grating mixes finishes (and not all the grating ones where done on digital) and it goes into something like some old Frank Sinatra. Like salve to ears. |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
om... MisteRogers asks: "Can you say 'excessive dynamic compression' ?" I saw it somewhere - it escapes me - online a list of prominent CDs produced since 1984, showing the title, artist, and average sound level in Digital terms. Basically, album by album, the average level crept closer to zero - the digital audio theoretical maximum never to You can definitely graph it out. I have Rhapsody.com so I have a huge range of old and new music to draw from. That's the only place I'd ever hear this "new" music anyway so a lot of stuff I want to check out I throw in a playlist with other stuff I'm listening too. There's practically no way to set a speaker level that allows you hear every thing well (older stuff) and not be blown across the room when the new stuff comes on. As soothing as analog is it's even more so when one of those grating mixes finishes (and not all the grating ones where done on digital) and it goes into something like some old Frank Sinatra. Like salve to ears. |
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Mr. Drummer,
I am absolutely not comparing my mixes to anyone's here! I'm just saying that Lavigne's cd sounds like a locust of crap-covered needles. That's a fact and if you can't hear it, it's probably because you've been listening to the new Avril Lavigne CD all the way through. It's alarming to realize that some old home demos can sound more pleasing and listenable than a major release of that commercial impact. Anyone not agreeing that it sounds like crap should quit the business, give their tired ears a rest, and let young super-talented professional like me take over. ; )p P. "DaveDrummer" wrote in message . .. Biggest mistake #1, comparing your mixes to all 'professional' mixes. Dave "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01... "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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Mr. Drummer,
I am absolutely not comparing my mixes to anyone's here! I'm just saying that Lavigne's cd sounds like a locust of crap-covered needles. That's a fact and if you can't hear it, it's probably because you've been listening to the new Avril Lavigne CD all the way through. It's alarming to realize that some old home demos can sound more pleasing and listenable than a major release of that commercial impact. Anyone not agreeing that it sounds like crap should quit the business, give their tired ears a rest, and let young super-talented professional like me take over. ; )p P. "DaveDrummer" wrote in message . .. Biggest mistake #1, comparing your mixes to all 'professional' mixes. Dave "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01... "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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Most songs/recordings today are like the movies are- I heard someone say
that it is sad that movies pay $100,000,000 on effects and stunts when all they really have to do is spend $10,000 on a script! Crap in, crap out~ Faragan wrote: Mr. Drummer, I am absolutely not comparing my mixes to anyone's here! I'm just saying that Lavigne's cd sounds like a locust of crap-covered needles. That's a fact and if you can't hear it, it's probably because you've been listening to the new Avril Lavigne CD all the way through. It's alarming to realize that some old home demos can sound more pleasing and listenable than a major release of that commercial impact. Anyone not agreeing that it sounds like crap should quit the business, give their tired ears a rest, and let young super-talented professional like me take over. ; )p P. "DaveDrummer" wrote in message . .. Biggest mistake #1, comparing your mixes to all 'professional' mixes. Dave "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01... "Faragan" wrote in message e.com... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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Most songs/recordings today are like the movies are- I heard someone say
that it is sad that movies pay $100,000,000 on effects and stunts when all they really have to do is spend $10,000 on a script! Crap in, crap out~ Faragan wrote: Mr. Drummer, I am absolutely not comparing my mixes to anyone's here! I'm just saying that Lavigne's cd sounds like a locust of crap-covered needles. That's a fact and if you can't hear it, it's probably because you've been listening to the new Avril Lavigne CD all the way through. It's alarming to realize that some old home demos can sound more pleasing and listenable than a major release of that commercial impact. Anyone not agreeing that it sounds like crap should quit the business, give their tired ears a rest, and let young super-talented professional like me take over. ; )p P. "DaveDrummer" wrote in message . .. Biggest mistake #1, comparing your mixes to all 'professional' mixes. Dave "Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message news:7uAwc.57204$Ly.4318@attbi_s01... "Faragan" wrote in message e.com... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? I know what you mean. I'm near 40 and this stuff grates my ears. How a young person's hearing could take it is beyond me. Of course this what they are used to and is presented to them as "professional sounding" so it's what they identify with when they hear the words "pro sound". |
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(Faragan) wrote in message . com...
Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. Not anything to do with the production but that Hillary Duff should be banned from Music. Can't sing can't anyting. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com |
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On 6 Jun 2004 08:45:01 -0700, (ChrisCoaster) wrote:
__________________________ MisteRogers asks: "Can you say 'excessive dynamic compression' ?" I saw it somewhere - it escapes me - online a list of prominent CDs produced since 1984, showing the title, artist, and average sound level in Digital terms. Basically, album by album, the average level crept closer to zero - the digital audio theoretical maximum never to ISTR seeing (at least) two such pages, one on the most recent Rush CD compared to earlier Rush recordings on prosoundweb, and another I found googling. be exceeded. -10, -11, -9, -9, -6, -7, -7, -4, and so on. Higher overall volumes at the expense of dynamic vitality. : ( Translated to even a violin solo, this means you are losing the peaks and valleys that compose a violin's essence! This is why I have to drag out some of my old vinyl to really experience the artist's intent - something lost on the CD transcripts and digital "Remasters". -ChrisCoaster ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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On 6 Jun 2004 08:45:01 -0700, (ChrisCoaster) wrote:
__________________________ MisteRogers asks: "Can you say 'excessive dynamic compression' ?" I saw it somewhere - it escapes me - online a list of prominent CDs produced since 1984, showing the title, artist, and average sound level in Digital terms. Basically, album by album, the average level crept closer to zero - the digital audio theoretical maximum never to ISTR seeing (at least) two such pages, one on the most recent Rush CD compared to earlier Rush recordings on prosoundweb, and another I found googling. be exceeded. -10, -11, -9, -9, -6, -7, -7, -4, and so on. Higher overall volumes at the expense of dynamic vitality. : ( Translated to even a violin solo, this means you are losing the peaks and valleys that compose a violin's essence! This is why I have to drag out some of my old vinyl to really experience the artist's intent - something lost on the CD transcripts and digital "Remasters". -ChrisCoaster ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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"Mike" wrote in message
om... (Faragan) wrote in message . com... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. Not anything to do with the production but that Hillary Duff should be banned from Music. Can't sing can't anyting. I seem to have stumbled on a meeting of ASPAS. -- dt king www.thoughtdog.com Mellow New Age Music and More! |
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"Mike" wrote in message
om... (Faragan) wrote in message . com... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. Not anything to do with the production but that Hillary Duff should be banned from Music. Can't sing can't anyting. I seem to have stumbled on a meeting of ASPAS. -- dt king www.thoughtdog.com Mellow New Age Music and More! |
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(Mike) wrote in message . com...
(Faragan) wrote in message . com... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. Not anything to do with the production but that Hillary Duff should be banned from Music. Can't sing can't anyting. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com My 7-yr. old daughter believes Hillary Duff is heaven on earth. Image not art. Marketing not music. It ain't about the music. It's about Nickelodeon. AP |
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(Mike) wrote in message . com...
(Faragan) wrote in message . com... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. Not anything to do with the production but that Hillary Duff should be banned from Music. Can't sing can't anyting. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com My 7-yr. old daughter believes Hillary Duff is heaven on earth. Image not art. Marketing not music. It ain't about the music. It's about Nickelodeon. AP |
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Andy Peake wrote: My 7-yr. old daughter believes Hillary Duff is heaven on earth. Image not art. Marketing not music. It ain't about the music. It's about Nickelodeon. That's so cute! Don |
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Andy Peake wrote: My 7-yr. old daughter believes Hillary Duff is heaven on earth. Image not art. Marketing not music. It ain't about the music. It's about Nickelodeon. That's so cute! Don |
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. .. To keep it all in perspective, we're not talking about another MIles DAvis, Duke ELlington or the Beatles here. we are talking about another nobody who will fade into obscurity before the next five yeras are done. Yeah but all artists have to eat. And to remain "competitive" (read: sell enough records to be a viable artist) sooner or later, even if it's not the artist's choice) those "standards" (read: crappy, brittle mastering) are foisted on his material as well. |
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wrote in message
. .. To keep it all in perspective, we're not talking about another MIles DAvis, Duke ELlington or the Beatles here. we are talking about another nobody who will fade into obscurity before the next five yeras are done. Yeah but all artists have to eat. And to remain "competitive" (read: sell enough records to be a viable artist) sooner or later, even if it's not the artist's choice) those "standards" (read: crappy, brittle mastering) are foisted on his material as well. |
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Geez, I liked it, if you're referring to "Let Go". I even wrote it up here.
And I do mostly jazz recordings, so it's not like my likes/dislikes are really genre specific. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. |
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Geez, I liked it, if you're referring to "Let Go". I even wrote it up here.
And I do mostly jazz recordings, so it's not like my likes/dislikes are really genre specific. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. |
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So you made me yank out Lucky Man Clark and put Avril on again. Been busy
the past couple of months and haven't had much time for listening to music but a fresh listen doesn't change my mind at all about the quality of this album. It may be loud, but it's not as bad as the RHCP's last release, and it's far better than what Mitch Easter returned from a group that I'd spent about two years grooming and had some fantastic work from. Now I admit, there's tools all over the live room right now so I can't really go out and get an idea from the playback monitors out there, but here in the control room, at my normal playback levels on a calibrated system it sounds fine to me. Now I admit, I haven't pulled it off CD into Samplitude, but why? I know where my system works, and again, this is fine. Don't get me wrong. In the case of a lot of stuff I've listened to, you are correct. I just question this one. Perhaps you forgot where the volume was located? There is no discernable distortion on this CD at any volume that I can hear. Average RMS value is between -15 and -10 dB with just a little movement towards -9 dB, which I've ended up with on a really strong blues performance by necessity. It's just the way the songs wanted to be represented. This might have been able to live with maybe .1 or .2 dB down on the final product, but it's not freaking my system out. For reference, I usually try to have my RMS metering reside right around -15 dB, which works for jazz pretty well, being clean and ending up with enough dynamics that my meters have some -20 dB of bounce. This doesn't fall all that far outside of that operating level. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote: Geez, I liked it, if you're referring to "Let Go". I even wrote it up here. And I do mostly jazz recordings, so it's not like my likes/dislikes are really genre specific. I haven't heard it, but she was on Bob Costas last week, and I liked the song she did. Don |
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Let Go sounds great! I am talking about her latest album entitled
Under My Skin. give it a listen, and shed a tear. "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... So you made me yank out Lucky Man Clark and put Avril on again. Been busy the past couple of months and haven't had much time for listening to music but a fresh listen doesn't change my mind at all about the quality of this album. It may be loud, but it's not as bad as the RHCP's last release, and it's far better than what Mitch Easter returned from a group that I'd spent about two years grooming and had some fantastic work from. Now I admit, there's tools all over the live room right now so I can't really go out and get an idea from the playback monitors out there, but here in the control room, at my normal playback levels on a calibrated system it sounds fine to me. Now I admit, I haven't pulled it off CD into Samplitude, but why? I know where my system works, and again, this is fine. Don't get me wrong. In the case of a lot of stuff I've listened to, you are correct. I just question this one. Perhaps you forgot where the volume was located? There is no discernable distortion on this CD at any volume that I can hear. Average RMS value is between -15 and -10 dB with just a little movement towards -9 dB, which I've ended up with on a really strong blues performance by necessity. It's just the way the songs wanted to be represented. This might have been able to live with maybe .1 or .2 dB down on the final product, but it's not freaking my system out. For reference, I usually try to have my RMS metering reside right around -15 dB, which works for jazz pretty well, being clean and ending up with enough dynamics that my meters have some -20 dB of bounce. This doesn't fall all that far outside of that operating level. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. |
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Faragan" wrote in message
om... Let Go sounds great! I am talking about her latest album entitled Under My Skin. give it a listen, and shed a tear. Good. You had me worried that either my ears were going or my ability to discern good music. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio " "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... So you made me yank out Lucky Man Clark and put Avril on again. Been busy the past couple of months and haven't had much time for listening to music but a fresh listen doesn't change my mind at all about the quality of this album. It may be loud, but it's not as bad as the RHCP's last release, and it's far better than what Mitch Easter returned from a group that I'd spent about two years grooming and had some fantastic work from. Now I admit, there's tools all over the live room right now so I can't really go out and get an idea from the playback monitors out there, but here in the control room, at my normal playback levels on a calibrated system it sounds fine to me. Now I admit, I haven't pulled it off CD into Samplitude, but why? I know where my system works, and again, this is fine. Don't get me wrong. In the case of a lot of stuff I've listened to, you are correct. I just question this one. Perhaps you forgot where the volume was located? There is no discernable distortion on this CD at any volume that I can hear. Average RMS value is between -15 and -10 dB with just a little movement towards -9 dB, which I've ended up with on a really strong blues performance by necessity. It's just the way the songs wanted to be represented. This might have been able to live with maybe .1 or .2 dB down on the final product, but it's not freaking my system out. For reference, I usually try to have my RMS metering reside right around -15 dB, which works for jazz pretty well, being clean and ending up with enough dynamics that my meters have some -20 dB of bounce. This doesn't fall all that far outside of that operating level. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Faragan" wrote in message om... Great mix engineers, but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? P. |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: ofjmidbaofeaohdodbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcboam kkhpnapelpbfmfhboeneagdmedomkfglphedkolnihpomgeclc oiaglbjpaiapljiljdfglbgkneicidfmjfcfelelmapncaaibd ilgclgdhoj NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:01:23 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 03:01:23 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1077205 On 2004-06-06 (transducr) said: (Faragan) wrote in message news:70e8479f. but did an A&R mastered Avril Lavigne's new cd? I cannot stand to listen to it for more than 15 seconds before my ears start to bleed. Class action lawsuit anyone? me neither, but i think for me it's more about the content than the mastering. DItto! when I've happened across that stuff I was glad to either spin the dial or hoping something else came on which was better, or glad I was getting my take out food to take out of there. why would anyone consider a class action suit over vacuous teeny bop pop anyway? THe mastering guys just do what the bean counters tell 'em, the principle of mild, as in "make it loud dammit" and that's what they're after. To keep it all in perspective, we're not talking about another MIles DAvis, Duke ELlington or the Beatles here. we are talking about another nobody who will fade into obscurity before the next five yeras are done. snooze Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- "Applying computer technology is as simple as finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw." |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: npbhgpngjbkmjfegdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbomd mpoohkicjbmnnfmodoldmkocifcjbkegihnhckcbkgmjjjihbi hliohechmkebbbjgahaalefbllalmglidgdomkncghepcakmpg coaabdhllf NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:48:56 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:48:56 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1077407 On 2004-06-07 said: To keep it all in perspective, we're not talking about another MIles DAvis, Duke ELlington or the Beatles here. we are talking about another nobody who will fade into obscurity before the next five years are done. Yeah but all artists have to eat. And to remain "competitive" (read: sell enough records to be a viable artist) sooner or later, even if it's not the artist's choice) those "standards" (read: crappy, brittle mastering) are foisted on his material as well. True, but the people to reach on changing this are the bean counters who drive the whole thing. YOu and I know what this sounds like, and no matter how much we talk it up here we're preaching to the choir. tHe bean counters will still sell as many units as they're going to sell to 15 year olds and the folks don't notice, and I mean that literally. THey don't notice. THe only thing that may make thebean counters notice is more folks voting with their wallets and not buying, which when you hear all the ****ing and moaning has already started to happen. Look at what passes for live music in the bars and clubs these days. YOu'll look for awhile to find the wheat among the chaff. Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: npbhgpngjbkmjfegdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbomd mpoohkicjbmnnfmodoldmkocifcjbkegihnhckcbkgmjjjihbi hliohechmkebbbjgahaalefbllalmglidgdomkncghepcakmpg coaabdhllf NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:48:56 EDT Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 19:48:56 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1077407 On 2004-06-07 said: To keep it all in perspective, we're not talking about another MIles DAvis, Duke ELlington or the Beatles here. we are talking about another nobody who will fade into obscurity before the next five years are done. Yeah but all artists have to eat. And to remain "competitive" (read: sell enough records to be a viable artist) sooner or later, even if it's not the artist's choice) those "standards" (read: crappy, brittle mastering) are foisted on his material as well. True, but the people to reach on changing this are the bean counters who drive the whole thing. YOu and I know what this sounds like, and no matter how much we talk it up here we're preaching to the choir. tHe bean counters will still sell as many units as they're going to sell to 15 year olds and the folks don't notice, and I mean that literally. THey don't notice. THe only thing that may make thebean counters notice is more folks voting with their wallets and not buying, which when you hear all the ****ing and moaning has already started to happen. Look at what passes for live music in the bars and clubs these days. YOu'll look for awhile to find the wheat among the chaff. Richard Webb Electric Spider Productions REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- |
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