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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:29:25 GMT, (Ally) wrote:
Heck, you could get a small drive that would only hold your OS and programs until a replacement is available, it doesn't have to be a 200GB drive. Bruce, This sounds like a great idea. Thank you for that! This small one would take as long to arrive as the bigger one, surely? |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:30:30 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:29:25 GMT, (Ally) wrote: Heck, you could get a small drive that would only hold your OS and programs until a replacement is available, it doesn't have to be a 200GB drive. Bruce, This sounds like a great idea. Thank you for that! This small one would take as long to arrive as the bigger one, surely? L, I think Bruce means I could buy a drive now to have in store for use in emergency, already loaded with Win XP. Ally |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:27:32 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:34:31 GMT, (Ally) wrote: Then I still have a copy of all my precious audio files on the other drive. But suppose that drive is almost full.. Then I would have no room to install XP on that drive. So doesn't it therefore make good sense to aleady have a copy of XP on that final remaining drive? (opinions strongly invited!) Not really. That copy wouldn't have your programs installed. If you feel you might WANT to install XP on that drive, leave space. In the situation you describe, you'd go out, buy a new drive and install XP and your programs. An afternoon's work. It's not as if you're doing this for a living and down-time costs money, after all :-) My time is worth just as much money, whether I'm fixing my business computer or my DAW. See what I mean? Ally |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:01:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: When you say "working files", are you referring to the actual audio recordings - or something else? Both the actual recordings and any working files that are used to produce them. Meaning just what? I know of no audio recorder/sequencer that doesn't load the control file into memory and keep it there. Do you? Audition writes to the temp file on disk incessantly while it is recording. When you save the track files, there is a file-file copy from the temp file to the track files. It reads and writes to disk, often as fast as the disc will run, while editing in edit view. MT view's nondestructive editing minimizes pounding on the hard drive, but you still end up playing back the track files concurrently. The only file that I know of that is reasonably small and doesn't get pounded is the .ses file. |
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"Ally" wrote in message ... Anyone suggest an easy way to assess which of two drives is fastest? (Of course, experience would tell, but so far All I have on each drive is a copy of XP) I've always used "HDtach". A freeware version is available. There are many other good test programs too like Sisoft Sandra which will give you a speed rating for each drive. Do a search on Tucows or similar web sites for many other HD test utilities. TonyP. |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ... It can work, but it can be less than bullet-proof. It will cost you more than a GB of disk space in most cases. Less than 1% of my 120gb drive... sounds worth it... Me too. If something happens that you can't boot from C:, your chances of booting from an alternative hard drive seeem 1% IME. Not worth it. If its a windows problem and not hardware, then the chances of simply swapping the boot drive in Bios, and booting from the other copy of windows should be greater than 99%. If you are really worried about disaster recovery (as we all should be), make sure you have your data files backed up. Why bother with operating system and program files which can be easily reloaded? "Easily" is usually a days work in reconfiguring many programs if you have to start from scratch. TonyP. |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:26:08 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:58:06 GMT, (Ally) wrote: In the situation you describe, you'd go out, buy a new drive and install XP and your programs. An afternoon's work. It's not as if you're doing this for a living and down-time costs money, after all :-) My time is worth just as much money, whether I'm fixing my business computer or my DAW. See what I mean? No, I don't :-) Hobby time isn't chargeable. It is for me! Time I spend on my hobby is time spent not earning money! :-) Anyway, you'll have to spend time setting up a second copy of Windows whether you do it now or later. I suggest you do it later, when (if) needed. You're still very much on the learning curve. Make your mistakes now on one Windows installation, not identical mistakes on two copies :-) Well, there's some sense in that, I have to admit. ALly |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:23:28 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:03:25 GMT, (Ally) wrote: I'll tell you something though... I have loaded WIn XP onto both hard drives and it is proving a bit of a pain. When you boot up, the bios promts you top select which OS you want to start: Windows Xp or... Windows XP... It doesn't indicate which drive each one is on. Si I'm thinking of deleting the version of Win XP that's on my secondary HD. Not sure how straightforward that is to do... Edit boot.ini in the root directory of your primary drive. You can give the two boots meaningful names. L, thanks for the tip. How do I acess that file. It sems to be a hidden file. I searched for it and it didn't show up. If you want to lose the second installation (and you might as well), just delete the Windows folder from that drive. Might as well delete everything - there's nothing else there yet, is there? You'll still get the choice, until you edit boot.ini. It still strikes me as a handy thing to have. Like someone said, if the primaty drive fails to boot up due to corruption of a file or such, it might be possible to repair it with Scandisc after booting from the other drive, yes? Ally |
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"TonyP" wrote
"Easily" is usually a days work in reconfiguring many programs if you have to start from scratch. Then back up your config files. Never seemed that much of a deal to me. Perhaps I just run generic configurations that are easily re-created. |
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"Ally" wrote ...
Good point. ..but it usually takes a day or two to obtain a new drive by mail order. A day or two of down-time could be a disaster.. If your downtme is really worth that much, then a hot standby spare hard drive is easily justified. |
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"Ally" wrote ...
Thanks for clarifying some of those points. If you have the inclination, please comment on my reply to you other response where I explain my perceived logic for having the biggest drive as the primary. If I can find it. Anyone suggest an easy way to assess which of two drives is fastest? (Of course, experience would tell, but so far All I have on each drive is a copy of XP) What are you doing that requires that kind of speed? I do almost more video than audio nowadays and even for video, (DV @ 250Mb/min) its not a particularly important issue. |
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"Ally" wrote ...
Mow, suppose my primary drive goes west one day... Then I still have a copy of all my precious audio files on the other drive. But suppose that drive is almost full.. Then I would have no room to install XP on that drive. So doesn't it therefore make good sense to aleady have a copy of XP on that final remaining drive? (opinions strongly invited!) No offense, but I don't think you have enough experience to predict that is even a workable scheme. I've been building computers since well before the IBM PC or Apple(1) and producing and editing audio and video even longer. Your scheme doesn't sound practical to me, particularly in the absense of any actual use-experience or revelation of what software app(s) you intend to use. If your remaining drive is that tight, you won't have enough room (for temp files, etc.) to do any practial work on it anyway. Are you actually in business doing audio editing that downtime is so dear? If so, you might want to reconsider your business plan. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:18:44 GMT, (Ally) wrote: Someone else suggested having a copy of XP on each drive, so tha if one drive dies, I can still boot from the other. That idea appeals to me. Any comments on that? Unless you want to maintain a dual-boot system, I see no point. The stand-by Windows won't have your programs, your setup. You might as well do a fresh install. Just keep Windows and program files on one partition, separate from data, so this procedure is convenient. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:18:44 GMT, (Ally) wrote: Someone else suggested having a copy of XP on each drive, so tha if one drive dies, I can still boot from the other. That idea appeals to me. Any comments on that? Unless you want to maintain a dual-boot system, I see no point. The stand-by Windows won't have your programs, your setup. You might as well do a fresh install. Just keep Windows and program files on one partition, separate from data, so this procedure is convenient. This could be a valid scenario for partioning the second drive, and installing all apps also to that OS/Apps partition routinely, 'just in case'. geoff |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:58:07 GMT, (Ally) wrote: Actually, there are still XP boot floppies, a set of 6 to be exact. But why would anyone want to boot from floppies? When things go wrong. I use boot floppies so rarely these days (who said XP is flakier than Win9x ?!!!) that if I do, I invariably find the floopies have gone 'stale' and no longer work. Why stick in 6 floppies when 1 CD will do ? geoff |
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Ally wrote:
I'll tell you something though... I have loaded WIn XP onto both hard drives and it is proving a bit of a pain. When you boot up, the bios promts you top select which OS you want to start: Windows Xp or... Windows XP... It doesn't indicate which drive each one is on. Si I'm thinking of deleting the version of Win XP that's on my secondary HD. Not sure how straightforward that is to do... That's not the BIOS , it's NT/XP's NTLDR.EXE. You can edit BOOT.INI to give each install 'freindly' name, select the default, and reduce the wait' time to something sensible like 5 sec. geoff |
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Ally wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:23:28 +0100, Laurence Payne wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:03:25 GMT, (Ally) wrote: I'll tell you something though... I have loaded WIn XP onto both hard drives and it is proving a bit of a pain. When you boot up, the bios promts you top select which OS you want to start: Windows Xp or... Windows XP... It doesn't indicate which drive each one is on. Si I'm thinking of deleting the version of Win XP that's on my secondary HD. Not sure how straightforward that is to do... Edit boot.ini in the root directory of your primary drive. You can give the two boots meaningful names. L, thanks for the tip. How do I acess that file. It sems to be a hidden file. I searched for it and it didn't show up. I routinely set Win Explorer defaults to allow access to system files, and NOT to hide filename extensions. ( In Explorer | Tools | Folder Options ) . The obstructive defaults are to prevent novices from trashing their systems ! geoff |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:57:42 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: "Ally" wrote ... Thanks for clarifying some of those points. If you have the inclination, please comment on my reply to you other response where I explain my perceived logic for having the biggest drive as the primary. If I can find it. Anyone suggest an easy way to assess which of two drives is fastest? (Of course, experience would tell, but so far All I have on each drive is a copy of XP) What are you doing that requires that kind of speed? I do almost more video than audio nowadays and even for video, (DV @ 250Mb/min) its not a particularly important issue. It's just that I was advised to use the fastest drive to house the working sound files. But the issue is now a non-issue: the two drives seem to be virtually the same speed, going by the time each one took to open it's local instance of WinXP. Cheers, Ally |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:51:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: "TonyP" wrote "Easily" is usually a days work in reconfiguring many programs if you have to start from scratch. Then back up your config files. Never seemed that much of a deal to me. Perhaps I just run generic configurations that are easily re-created. Can you recommend an easy + practical way to do that? (for someone like me who's not too technical) Thanks, Ally |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:08:10 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: "Ally" wrote ... Mow, suppose my primary drive goes west one day... Then I still have a copy of all my precious audio files on the other drive. But suppose that drive is almost full.. Then I would have no room to install XP on that drive. So doesn't it therefore make good sense to aleady have a copy of XP on that final remaining drive? (opinions strongly invited!) No offense, but I don't think you have enough experience to predict that is even a workable scheme. I've been building computers since well before the IBM PC or Apple(1) and producing and editing audio and video even longer. Your scheme doesn't sound practical to me, particularly in the absense of any actual use-experience or revelation of what software app(s) you intend to use. If your remaining drive is that tight, you won't have enough room (for temp files, etc.) to do any practial work on it anyway. Are you actually in business doing audio editing that downtime is so dear? If so, you might want to reconsider your business plan. OK... would you advise me to delete the emergency copy of XP on my secondary drive? If so, how do I do that - just delete the Windows folder? Thanks Ally |
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"Ally" wrote ...
OK... would you advise me to delete the emergency copy of XP on my secondary drive? If so, how do I do that - just delete the Windows folder? Didn't you say that you hadn't installed any layered apps yet? I'd start over and re-format the second drive (takes only a few seconds to do a "quick format" that just clears out the directories.) And then wipe the primary drive and re-install a single copy of the OS so that you know you have a clean and stable platform on which to build everything else. KISS has always worked well for me. There will be plenty of complications without worrying about residual effects of having phantom dual-boot stuff laying about. |
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"Ally" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:51:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley" wrote: "TonyP" wrote "Easily" is usually a days work in reconfiguring many programs if you have to start from scratch. Then back up your config files. Never seemed that much of a deal to me. Perhaps I just run generic configurations that are easily re-created. Can you recommend an easy + practical way to do that? (for someone like me who's not too technical) I use CDRWs to back up my data regularly (every few weeks). And then every year I do a "spring cleaning" and re-format my C: drive and re-install a clean copy of the OS. At that point I can look back at the year and identify the applications that I actually *use* and re-install those. MS Windows is notorious for collecting junk along the way and this is a foolproof way of keeping it running mean and lean. It takes only a couple of hours to re-install the OS and layered apps, cheap enough for the benefits IMHO. |
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"Geoff Wood" wrote ...
I routinely set Win Explorer defaults to allow access to system files, and NOT to hide filename extensions. ( In Explorer | Tools | Folder Options ) .. Amen, brother. Hiding file extentions is a primary method of propogating viruses and other malware. I don't see how people can run with such blinders on? The obstructive defaults are to prevent novices from trashing their systems It seems like it ends up having the opposite effect IME. |
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"Ally" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:57:42 -0700, "Richard Crowley" wrote: "Ally" wrote ... Thanks for clarifying some of those points. If you have the inclination, please comment on my reply to you other response where I explain my perceived logic for having the biggest drive as the primary. If I can find it. Anyone suggest an easy way to assess which of two drives is fastest? (Of course, experience would tell, but so far All I have on each drive is a copy of XP) What are you doing that requires that kind of speed? I do almost more video than audio nowadays and even for video, (DV @ 250Mb/min) its not a particularly important issue. It's just that I was advised to use the fastest drive to house the working sound files. But the issue is now a non-issue: the two drives seem to be virtually the same speed, going by the time each one took to open it's local instance of WinXP. On "clean & empty" drives, this isn't really a very definitive test. There *are* free utilities out there that actually exercise the drives with simulated real- world reading and writing. Including read/write very large files (as you would be doing for audio or video). Your drives may very well be identical in speed, but the "boot test" isn't particuarly reliable. |
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(snippage) Is there any point in partitioning my drives into a number of smaller 'virtual drives? Thanks for any guidance... Ally Hi Ally, The only drawback to having just one large partition on a drive is that the block size is larger than that of a smaller partition. This means that if you have a block size of say... 16K then that is the smallest amount of disk space a file will use, even if the file is only 1K. You can see this when you look at the properties of a file where it says file size - nnnn , and then, space used on disk - nnnn . The file is always somewhat smaller than the amount of disk its using. It's not really a big deal when your doing audio and video, because the files tend to be much larger, and use the disk space efficiently. None of this matters when the OS uses block suballocation, but I'm not sure if XP does that off the top of my head. Have fun! Paul |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
"Ally" wrote ... OK... would you advise me to delete the emergency copy of XP on my secondary drive? If so, how do I do that - just delete the Windows folder? Didn't you say that you hadn't installed any layered apps yet? I'd start over and re-format the second drive (takes only a few seconds to do a "quick format" that just clears out the directories.) And then wipe the primary drive and re-install a single copy of the OS so that you know you have a clean and stable platform on which to build everything else. KISS has always worked well for me. There will be plenty of complications without worrying about residual effects of having phantom dual-boot stuff laying about. Not necessary. Mutliple NT/2K/XP installs to separate volumes carry no baggage, and are completely independant apart from their entries in BOOT.INI .. geoff |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
There will be plenty of complications without worrying about residual effects of having phantom dual-boot stuff laying about. "Geoff Wood" wrote ... Not necessary. Mutliple NT/2K/XP installs to separate volumes carry no baggage, and are completely independant apart from their entries in BOOT.INI Exaxtly my point. Editing BOOT.INI even with the GUI interface (if you can find it!) is not something I would feel comfortable recommending to the average computer user. |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:51:40 +1200, "Geoff Wood"
-nospam wrote: Unless you want to maintain a dual-boot system, I see no point. The stand-by Windows won't have your programs, your setup. You might as well do a fresh install. Just keep Windows and program files on one partition, separate from data, so this procedure is convenient. This could be a valid scenario for partioning the second drive, and installing all apps also to that OS/Apps partition routinely, 'just in case'. I'd say it was an argument for the opposite. Keep a clean Windows installation. Otherwise you're likely to end up with two broken ones. But I really wouldn't bother. |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:36:25 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: Exaxtly my point. Editing BOOT.INI even with the GUI interface (if you can find it!) is not something I would feel comfortable recommending to the average computer user. Try it. Windows XP won't LET you save an edited version until you've renamed your current BOOT.INI, thus creating a backup. |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:36:25 -0700, "Richard Crowley" wrote: Exaxtly my point. Editing BOOT.INI even with the GUI interface (if you can find it!) is not something I would feel comfortable recommending to the average computer user. Try it. Windows XP won't LET you save an edited version until you've renamed your current BOOT.INI, thus creating a backup. There is a text mode command called attrib .... O;-) ... changing what OS to boot as default can be done from a subpage of the System settings and is easiest done there. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Sportster4Eva wrote:
tend to be much larger, and use the disk space efficiently. None of this matters when the OS uses block suballocation, but I'm not sure if XP does that off the top of my head. Being an NT it uses NTFS. Just format with default block size and you will get 4 kilobyte blocks. You should generally not use larger blocks because that size also is the size of the memory allocation blocks. You should generally not use larger blocks because 4 kilobyte blocks are the only ones that work with file compression as a property of the file system. You should generally not use larger blocks because 4 kilobyte blocks are the only ones that work with the file system defrag util. Some raid setups may constitute a "different case" because the striped ones (with and without parity) generally are fastest if the stripe size fits the size of the most frequently occuring request. Generally however the largest stripe size is some 256 kilobytes, way less than an audiofile anyway, I still assume that the reasoning above suggest against using a larger than default blocksize. I am aware of one exception only: large databasefiles that have their own internal structure anyway, 256 kilobyte disk blocks and stripesize may be very well chosen, if possible, for such. My knowledge is incomplete but I have never seen a difference in the speed wherewith Cool Edit 2000 reads a file on a fat partition that correlated with differences in block size. Paul Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Ally wrote:
OK... would you advise me to delete the emergency copy of XP on my secondary drive? If so, how do I do that - just delete the Windows folder? Having a "spare NT" can be relevant, but it really really ought to have its own partition. It can be wise to have a small C drive in FAT32, say a couple of GB's as system partition (that's where the computer boots) and to put the boot partition (that's where the OS boots) on the D drive. You could then set a 3 GB partition innermost ("last") on a drive a side for putting a spare OS on if needed. All of this is advanced stuff and just complicate things, and there is some merit to Laurence's suggestion: get running, make music, be happy. The backup software that comes with W2k and XP is very good and it will back up to a file on a harddisk, said harddisk can be external. Thanks Ally Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |