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Cloth vs. Vinyl
Gents: I have several Dynaco MK III & ST-70 Power and OP transformers. I
don't need to keep all of them. On Ebay, it seems, at least by the ads, that the cloth variety are the more covetous. It's seems like a veritable statement but I never heard a comprehensive reason why. Can someone lay this probably beaten subject to rest once and for all? Thanks in advance. west |
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west wrote: Gents: I have several Dynaco MK III & ST-70 Power and OP transformers. I don't need to keep all of them. On Ebay, it seems, at least by the ads, that the cloth variety are the more covetous. It's seems like a veritable statement but I never heard a comprehensive reason why. Can someone lay this probably beaten subject to rest once and for all? Thanks in advance. It's because ppl are daft. Graham |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... west wrote: Gents: I have several Dynaco MK III & ST-70 Power and OP transformers. I don't need to keep all of them. On Ebay, it seems, at least by the ads, that the cloth variety are the more covetous. It's seems like a veritable statement but I never heard a comprehensive reason why. Can someone lay this probably beaten subject to rest once and for all? Thanks in advance. It's because ppl are daft. Graham Maybe! or, the cloth variety were the original items made in the 'states and the vinyl covered versions overseas for latter production. Whether or not that makes the them inferior is anyone's guess. I don't know or really care to tell the truth. Mark |
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On Apr 28, 2:59 pm, "west" wrote:
Gents: I have several Dynaco MK III & ST-70 Power and OP transformers. I don't need to keep all of them. On Ebay, it seems, at least by the ads, that the cloth variety are the more covetous. It's seems like a veritable statement but I never heard a comprehensive reason why. Can someone lay this probably beaten subject to rest once and for all? Thanks in advance. west With respect, the cloth-lead transformers have a certain cachet. The vinyl-lead transformers are more recent. Neither are any better than the other unless one believes in smoke, mirrors and the Great Pumpkin. David Hafler sourced his parts from the lowest possible cost supplier without refrence to any sort of loyalty or continuity as long as they met his specifications. The transition from cloth to vinyl was over some time with a considerable period when both were shipped simultaneously. So, sell the cloth-leads and realize more $$, which is the basis of your question. Whatever you chose to use for a likely-unsatisfactory DIY project based on the remaining iron will near as make no difference. Why do I say this? That you would even ask such a question in the first place when the slightest modicum of research on your part would answer the question quickly and completely. Why do I say "likely unsatisfactory"... Well, your post on your pre-amp and your post on "congestion" clearly illustrate that you haven't even the most basic understanding of the species, expected results or why such results are what they are. You really need to go through the combinations and permutations possible with some OTS units (such as the Dynaco or Eico 70 types) to better understand what is possible before you embark on a voyage to what is to you very much uncharted territory. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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"Peter Wieck" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 28, 2:59 pm, "west" wrote: Gents: I have several Dynaco MK III & ST-70 Power and OP transformers. I don't need to keep all of them. On Ebay, it seems, at least by the ads, that the cloth variety are the more covetous. It's seems like a veritable statement but I never heard a comprehensive reason why. Can someone lay this probably beaten subject to rest once and for all? Thanks in advance. west With respect, the cloth-lead transformers have a certain cachet. The vinyl-lead transformers are more recent. Neither are any better than the other unless one believes in smoke, mirrors and the Great Pumpkin. David Hafler sourced his parts from the lowest possible cost supplier without refrence to any sort of loyalty or continuity as long as they met his specifications. The transition from cloth to vinyl was over some time with a considerable period when both were shipped simultaneously. So, sell the cloth-leads and realize more $$, which is the basis of your question. Whatever you chose to use for a likely-unsatisfactory DIY project based on the remaining iron will near as make no difference. Why do I say this? That you would even ask such a question in the first place when the slightest modicum of research on your part would answer the question quickly and completely. Why do I say "likely unsatisfactory"... Well, your post on your pre-amp and your post on "congestion" clearly illustrate that you haven't even the most basic understanding of the species, expected results or why such results are what they are. You really need to go through the combinations and permutations possible with some OTS units (such as the Dynaco or Eico 70 types) to better understand what is possible before you embark on a voyage to what is to you very much uncharted territory. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA I did exactly that and found insignificant differences. My question was more of a marketing issue."Which cloth or vinyl brings in more money." It seems that the cloth does and I wanted to know why. Stop making me self-conscience of my questions with your ASSumptions. We went through that. At times I may leave out a spec or 2 if I smell an ambush in the waiting, like with my preamp. Call it a second sense, perhaps developed from being raised in the ghetto. west |
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On Apr 30, 12:32 am, "west" wrote:
"Peter Wieck" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 28, 2:59 pm, "west" wrote: Gents: I have several Dynaco MK III & ST-70 Power and OP transformers. I don't need to keep all of them. On Ebay, it seems, at least by the ads, that the cloth variety are the more covetous. It's seems like a veritable statement but I never heard a comprehensive reason why. Can someone lay this probably beaten subject to rest once and for all? Thanks in advance. west With respect, the cloth-lead transformers have a certain cachet. The vinyl-lead transformers are more recent. Neither are any better than the other unless one believes in smoke, mirrors and the Great Pumpkin. David Hafler sourced his parts from the lowest possible cost supplier without refrence to any sort of loyalty or continuity as long as they met his specifications. The transition from cloth to vinyl was over some time with a considerable period when both were shipped simultaneously. So, sell the cloth-leads and realize more $$, which is the basis of your question. Whatever you chose to use for a likely-unsatisfactory DIY project based on the remaining iron will near as make no difference. Why do I say this? That you would even ask such a question in the first place when the slightest modicum of research on your part would answer the question quickly and completely. Why do I say "likely unsatisfactory"... Well, your post on your pre-amp and your post on "congestion" clearly illustrate that you haven't even the most basic understanding of the species, expected results or why such results are what they are. You really need to go through the combinations and permutations possible with some OTS units (such as the Dynaco or Eico 70 types) to better understand what is possible before you embark on a voyage to what is to you very much uncharted territory. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA I did exactly that and found insignificant differences. My question was more of a marketing issue."Which cloth or vinyl brings in more money." It seems that the cloth does and I wanted to know why. Stop making me self-conscience of my questions with your ASSumptions. We went through that. At times I may leave out a spec or 2 if I smell an ambush in the waiting, like with my preamp. Call it a second sense, perhaps developed from being raised in the ghetto. west- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There is no "why". That is the point. It is an accident of history that the great unwashed attribute something special to the cloth... keep in mind that this is the same group that would put their speaker wires on tiny catenary towers and use green markers on their CDs. The change from cloth to vinyl happened because David Hafler purchased from another maker which used vinyl. He switched to save a few cents per transformer, no other reason. You may take advantage of this bit of human perversity and sell off the cloth units, and it will make no difference whatsoever on any future results from the units you retain. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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On May 4, 5:15 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:
west With respect, the cloth-lead transformers have a certain cachet. The vinyl-lead transformers are more recent. Neither are any better than the other unless one believes in smoke, mirrors and the Great Pumpkin. David Hafler sourced his parts from the lowest possible cost supplier without refrence to any sort of loyalty or continuity as long as they met his specifications. The transition from cloth to vinyl was over some time with a considerable period when both were shipped simultaneously. So, sell the cloth-leads and realize more $$, which is the basis of your question. Whatever you chose to use for a likely-unsatisfactory DIY project based on the remaining iron will near as make no difference. Why do I say this? That you would even ask such a question in the first place when the slightest modicum of research on your part would answer the question quickly and completely. Why do I say "likely unsatisfactory"... Well, your post on your pre-amp and your post on "congestion" clearly illustrate that you haven't even the most basic understanding of the species, expected results or why such results are what they are. You really need to go through the combinations and permutations possible with some OTS units (such as the Dynaco or Eico 70 types) to better understand what is possible before you embark on a voyage to what is to you very much uncharted territory. Hafler was a cheapskate. He was also a better than pretty good designer....but he was a cheapskate who chose to cater to the lowest common denominator market. He'd have been smarter to cater to people who wanted the best and would pay for it. Mc did, and they're still there. The ST70 was a great hobby platform when it was cheap. Now it's a nostalgia item at a ridiculous price. Even more ridiculous are people who are making new reissue kits for ridiculous money.....when for a few dollars more they could offer a good amplifier.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - David Hafler could not design his way out of a paper bag with a map and a sharp knife. What he was, was brilliant at hiring good designers. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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