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French films
Since Bruce wants help in turning into a sneerier snob, here are some
hints: I never saw any French film at a film festival that I liked, except Lacombe Lucien, and that was a glossy, Americanized piece of work. Super scene where the protagonist knocks the head off the Sunday luncheon chicken. Doomed to failure of course, because of the downbeat theme and the audience knowing from the beginning that it must add badly; tragedy is death at the box office. The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers, say, but with more believable detailing and a more human surface. But European films I really loved were those that copied American films and gave them a savage twist. Those films Charles Bronson made which were financed by French and Italian money were all superior to his later Hollywood oevre (with the exception of his crossover movie, The Mechanic, which had the most cynical script until Tarrentino arrived). Alain Delon, a favourite actor of mine, didn't really come into his full flowring as an actor until he was cast in Hollywood movies with, for instance, Burt Lancaster. I found nothing to like in the onanistic films of Godard and Truffaut, or crap like the auteur theory. Borsalino was worth ten times as much as all the films of Godard and Truffaut together. Compare the Godard/Trauffaut rubbish to The Leopard or any other European film made with American money and production input but a European literary script, and you will agree with me. The best French movie ever made was A Man and a Woman. It was fabulous precisely because it brought American production values to a decent French script. French film noir is so dark because until the advent of American money they couldn't afford enough Kliegs to light the sets properly, in fact they couldn't afford sets... During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Personally, I loved the Die Hard movies. However, I can explain why most British movies are so cringemakingly inferior: it is because the British have a poor man's outlook on the destruction of property while Americans just purely love blowing things up. That's what makes American movies so satisfying, the amount of property destroyed in any good American movie. I vote for Hollywood. Looks like George isn't the only one about to be thrownout of the Snob's Snuggery. But at least we won't have to commit Hugger Muggery with Bruce. Andre Jute |
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On 6 Oct 2005 11:13:58 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:
Since Bruce wants help in turning into a sneerier snob, here are some hints: I never saw any French film at a film festival that I liked, except Lacombe Lucien, and that was a glossy, Americanized piece of work. Super scene where the protagonist knocks the head off the Sunday luncheon chicken. Doomed to failure of course, because of the downbeat theme and the audience knowing from the beginning that it must add badly; tragedy is death at the box office. The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers, say, but with more believable detailing and a more human surface. Frankly, I happen to like the films of Jean-Pierre Jeunet, espcially "La cité des enfants perdus". If that makes me a bad man, then so be it. Of course, his films have also gotten near-mainstream distribution... But European films I really loved were those that copied American films and gave them a savage twist. Those films Charles Bronson made which were financed by French and Italian money were all superior to his later Hollywood oevre (with the exception of his crossover movie, The Mechanic, which had the most cynical script until Tarrentino arrived). Alain Delon, a favourite actor of mine, didn't really come into his full flowring as an actor until he was cast in Hollywood movies with, for instance, Burt Lancaster. I found nothing to like in the onanistic He said onanistic...heh heh... films of Godard and Truffaut, Well, there's no accounting for taste chuckle. If you can't find anything to like in a film like Jules et Jim or À bout de souffle (to pick two well-known examples of great filmmaking), well then... or crap like the auteur He said auteur...heh heh... theory. Borsalino was worth ten times as much as all the films of Godard and Truffaut together. Compare the Godard/Trauffaut rubbish to The Leopard or any other European film made with American money and production input but a European literary script, and you will agree with me. The best French movie ever made was A Man and a Woman. It was fabulous precisely because it brought American production values to a decent French script. French film noir is so dark because until the advent of American money they couldn't afford enough Kliegs to light the sets properly, in fact they couldn't afford sets... During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Personally, I loved the Die Hard movies. Well, the first one was a lot of fun. However, I can explain why most British movies are so cringemakingly inferior: it is because the British have a poor man's outlook on the destruction of property while Americans just purely love blowing things up. That's what makes American movies so satisfying, the amount of property destroyed in any good American movie. I vote for Hollywood. Looks like George isn't the only one about to be thrownout of the Snob's Snuggery. But at least we won't have to commit Hugger Muggery with Bruce. We'll just have to put up with YOUR peculiar form of snobbery. |
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Andre Jute said: The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I recommend these: A Matter of Taste (Une Affaire de Goût) by Bernard Rapp Criminal Lovers (Les amants criminels) by Francois Ozon |
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Andre Jute a écrit :
Since Bruce wants help in turning into a sneerier snob, here are some hints: I never saw any French film at a film festival that I liked, except Lacombe Lucien, and that was a glossy, Americanized piece of work. Super scene where the protagonist knocks the head off the Sunday luncheon chicken. Doomed to failure of course, because of the downbeat theme and the audience knowing from the beginning that it must add badly; tragedy is death at the box office. The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers, say, but with more believable detailing and a more human surface. But European films I really loved were those that copied American films and gave them a savage twist. Those films Charles Bronson made which were financed by French and Italian money were all superior to his later Hollywood oevre (with the exception of his crossover movie, The Mechanic, which had the most cynical script until Tarrentino arrived). Alain Delon, a favourite actor of mine, didn't really come into his full flowring as an actor until he was cast in Hollywood movies with, for instance, Burt Lancaster. Don't speak about Alain Delon if you don't really know his filmography. ;-) I found nothing to like in the onanistic films of Godard and Truffaut, or crap like the auteur theory. Borsalino was worth ten times as much as all the films of Godard and Truffaut together. Some movies are really untranslatable. Learn French. Compare the Godard/Trauffaut rubbish to The Leopard or any other European film made with American money and production input but a European literary script, and you will agree with me. Your problem is that you try to compare movies that cannot be compared. http://www.ecrannoir.fr/real/france/mocky.htm He is my prefered film maker if you haven't seen anything from him please never speak again about "French" movies... ;-) Have you seen "Un singe en hivers" ? |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... : : Some movies are really untranslatable. Learn French. : : Have you seen "Un singe en hivers" ? Uhh, "I'm singing in the Hive ?" R. |
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On 6 Oct 2005 11:13:58 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:
Since Bruce wants help in turning into a sneerier snob, here are some hints: I never saw any French film at a film festival that I liked, except Lacombe Lucien, and that was a glossy, Americanized piece of work. Super scene where the protagonist knocks the head off the Sunday luncheon chicken. Doomed to failure of course, because of the downbeat theme and the audience knowing from the beginning that it must add badly; tragedy is death at the box office. The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers, say, but with more believable detailing and a more human surface. But European films I really loved were those that copied American films and gave them a savage twist. Those films Charles Bronson made which were financed by French and Italian money were all superior to his later Hollywood oevre (with the exception of his crossover movie, The Mechanic, which had the most cynical script until Tarrentino arrived). Alain Delon, a favourite actor of mine, didn't really come into his full flowring as an actor until he was cast in Hollywood movies with, for instance, Burt Lancaster. I found nothing to like in the onanistic films of Godard and Truffaut, or crap like the auteur theory. Borsalino was worth ten times as much as all the films of Godard and Truffaut together. Compare the Godard/Trauffaut rubbish to The Leopard or any other European film made with American money and production input but a European literary script, and you will agree with me. The best French movie ever made was A Man and a Woman. It was fabulous precisely because it brought American production values to a decent French script. French film noir is so dark because until the advent of American money they couldn't afford enough Kliegs to light the sets properly, in fact they couldn't afford sets... During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Personally, I loved the Die Hard movies. However, I can explain why most British movies are so cringemakingly inferior: it is because the British have a poor man's outlook on the destruction of property while Americans just purely love blowing things up. That's what makes American movies so satisfying, the amount of property destroyed in any good American movie. I vote for Hollywood. Looks like George isn't the only one about to be thrownout of the Snob's Snuggery. But at least we won't have to commit Hugger Muggery with Bruce. Andre Jute Don't mistake your opinion for fact... BTW did you see the movie Amelie? |
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Andre Jute wrote:
[A mercifully brief if poncey pontification, more notable for being stylishly bitchy than for any real content, which is repeated at the bottom for the record.] George Middius wrote: I recommend these: A Matter of Taste (Une Affaire de Go=FBt) by Bernard Rapp Criminal Lovers (Les amants criminels) by Francois Ozon Lionel wrote: http://www.ecrannoir.fr/real/france/mocky.htm dave weil wrote: "La cit=E9 des enfants perdus". Thanks for your recommendations, gentlemen. Perhaps you missed the determined past tense in my original letter in this thread. Today I am so busy being a trendsetter and allround smartarse that I don't have time to watch minority movies I might not like. Members of my family choose surefire American thrillers or action comedies which I am certain not to walk out on. dave weil wrote: We'll just have to put up with YOUR peculiar form of snobbery. My particular form of snobbery would be of no interest to Bruce; its satisfactions would baffle him as exactly the opposite of what he is trying to achieve. I'm just helping him glib up his snobbery with a veneer of discrimination about physical things and a few of the easier abstracts not requiring original thinking. It's just an excuse for getting around to talking about cars, Dave, me old son. Sex, cars and money, everything is about sex, cars and money. You heard it here for the 2,563,986th time. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review PS I liked Chocolat. Was that a French movie or did I just imagine the subtitles? In that case it shoulda been a French movie. Come to think of it, the lighting was pretty grim; musta been a French movie. And I liked Amalie; she reminded me of Monsieur Hulot. Andre Jute wrote: Since Bruce wants help in turning into a sneerier snob, here are some hints: I never saw any French film at a film festival that I liked, except Lacombe Lucien, and that was a glossy, Americanized piece of work. Super scene where the protagonist knocks the head off the Sunday luncheon chicken. Doomed to failure of course, because of the downbeat theme and the audience knowing from the beginning that it must add badly; tragedy is death at the box office. The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers, say, but with more believable detailing and a more human surface. But European films I really loved were those that copied American films and gave them a savage twist. Those films Charles Bronson made which were financed by French and Italian money were all superior to his later Hollywood oevre (with the exception of his crossover movie, The Mechanic, which had the most cynical script until Tarrentino arrived). Alain Delon, a favourite actor of mine, didn't really come into his full flowring as an actor until he was cast in Hollywood movies with, for instance, Burt Lancaster. I found nothing to like in the onanistic films of Godard and Truffaut, or crap like the auteur theory. Borsalino was worth ten times as much as all the films of Godard and Truffaut together. Compare the Godard/Trauffaut rubbish to The Leopard or any other European film made with American money and production input but a European literary script, and you will agree with me. The best French movie ever made was A Man and a Woman. It was fabulous precisely because it brought American production values to a decent French script. French film noir is so dark because until the advent of American money they couldn't afford enough Kliegs to light the sets properly, in fact they couldn't afford sets... During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Personally, I loved the Die Hard movies. However, I can explain why most British movies are so cringemakingly inferior: it is because the British have a poor man's outlook on the destruction of property while Americans just purely love blowing things up. That's what makes American movies so satisfying, the amount of property destroyed in any good American movie. I vote for Hollywood. Looks like George isn't the only one about to be thrownout of the Snob's Snuggery. But at least we won't have to commit Hugger Muggery with Bruce. =20 Andre Jute |
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Andre Jute said: Thanks for your recommendations, gentlemen. Perhaps you missed the determined past tense in my original letter in this thread. I, for one, wasn't talking specifically to you. The subject of Froggie Films was raised, and I wanted to embarrass Slut. |
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On 6 Oct 2005 11:13:58 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:
Since Bruce wants help in turning into a sneerier snob He said that? Gee, I'll have to read more carefully. I never saw any French film at a film festival that I liked, except Lacombe Lucien, and that was a glossy, Americanized piece of work. Super scene where the protagonist knocks the head off the Sunday luncheon chicken. Now that's the kind of scene I've been looking for! Doomed to failure of course, because of the downbeat theme and the audience knowing from the beginning that it must add badly; tragedy is death at the box office. Add badly? It was about mathematics? The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers That would indeed be an epic. The best French movie ever made was A Man and a Woman. It was fabulous precisely because it brought American production values to a decent French script. French film noir is so dark because until the advent of American money they couldn't afford enough Kliegs to light the sets properly, in fact they couldn't afford sets... So why is American film noir dark then? However, I can explain why most British movies are so cringemakingly inferior: it is because the British have a poor man's outlook on the destruction of property while Americans just purely love blowing things up. That's what makes American movies so satisfying, the amount of property destroyed in any good American movie. This is indeed a superior perspective on the art of filmmaking. Reminds me of a British skit on American filmmaking where the spoof film was called, "Things Exploding," and the sequel, "Everything Explodes." |
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0500, dave weil
wrote: The French films I really liked were all good enough to get mainstream or near-mainstream distribution. I loved the films that starred Michel Piccoli and Stephanie Audran. They were small films, comparable to something from Hollywood starring Robert di Niro and Jane Fonda as adulterers, say, but with more believable detailing and a more human surface. Frankly, I happen to like the films of Jean-Pierre Jeunet, espcially "La cité des enfants perdus". If that makes me a bad man, then so be it. Now, Dave, you know you could never be a bad man. :-) During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Yes. Isn't it wonderful how people read what they wish to read, perhaps according to their own prejudices? Mr. Miller certainly knows how to push buttons. Personally, I loved the Die Hard movies. Well, the first one was a lot of fun. If you like to watch people running on broken glass. However, I can explain why most British movies are so cringemakingly inferior: it is because the British have a poor man's outlook on the destruction of property while Americans just purely love blowing things up. That's what makes American movies so satisfying, the amount of property destroyed in any good American movie. I vote for Hollywood. Looks like George isn't the only one about to be thrownout of the Snob's Snuggery. But at least we won't have to commit Hugger Muggery with Bruce. We'll just have to put up with YOUR peculiar form of snobbery. Reverse? |
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On 6 Oct 2005 17:03:56 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:
dave weil wrote: "La cité des enfants perdus". Thanks for your recommendations, gentlemen. Perhaps you missed the determined past tense in my original letter in this thread. Today I am so busy being a trendsetter and allround smartarse that I don't have time to watch minority movies I might not like. Members of my family choose surefire American thrillers or action comedies which I am certain not to walk out on. You seem a bit obtuse today. I wasn't "recommending" it to you. |
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George Minus Middius a écrit :
Andre Jute said: Thanks for your recommendations, gentlemen. Perhaps you missed the determined past tense in my original letter in this thread. I, for one, wasn't talking specifically to you. The subject of Froggie Films was raised, and I wanted to embarrass Slut. Oh dear I'm really embarrassed, you know ! You can return to your PlayStation now. :-) |
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Andre Jute a écrit :
Thanks for your recommendations, gentlemen. Perhaps you missed the determined past tense in my original letter in this thread. Sorry, I was just trying to rescue a thread that hasn't any sens. |
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Andre Jute a écrit :
Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review Jezus ! An other mytho-megalomaniac aesthete !!!! ....Some competition for you, George. ;-) |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:17:14 -0500, dave weil
wrote: On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:09:39 GMT, (paul packer) wrote: Personally, I loved the Die Hard movies. Well, the first one was a lot of fun. If you like to watch people running on broken glass. It's a requirement. I think that all movies that DON'T feature people running on glass are useless. That's why all of the "barefoot on glass scenes" in Amélie that were left on the cutting room floor made that movie hollow and evicerated. He said evicerated...he he..... I'm just glad that I didn't mention how much I loved Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch. Those two movies made me HOWL. Agreed. |
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"Ruud Broens" wrote in message ... "Lionel" wrote in message ... : : Some movies are really untranslatable. Learn French. : : Have you seen "Un singe en hivers" ? Uhh, "I'm singing in the Hive ?" R. Morein can't decide about Jules et Jim. He's not sure if it's about cannibalism or a gay romance. |
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" wrote in message hlink.net... "Ruud Broens" wrote in message ... "Lionel" wrote in message ... : : Some movies are really untranslatable. Learn French. : : Have you seen "Un singe en hivers" ? Tell us, Lionel. The best I can do is "Cold as a brass monkey" Norm Strong |
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Uncle Troll said: Have you seen "Un singe en hivers" ? Tell us, Lionel. The best I can do is "Cold as a brass monkey" I looked it up. "A Monkey in Winter" -- literal translation works. It's about drunkenness -- i.e. it's quintessentially French. |
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Andre Jute wrote:
dave weil wrote: We'll just have to put up with YOUR peculiar form of snobbery. My particular form of snobbery would be of no interest to Bruce; its satisfactions would baffle him as exactly the opposite of what he is trying to achieve. I agree. Whatever life philosophy you are following, I want no part of it. I also agree to being completely baffled as to what satisfaction you acquire from the pursuit of it. I can only suspect that your actions are the result of an unhealthy mind, though they have certainly been entertaining. I suspect that the particulars of your condition would be clear in person. It's hard to tell what is amiss in the mind of Andre Jute from here, since despite the logorrheic volumes you pen about yourself, your public image is tightly controlled. Nonetheless, enough is clear to fascinate even those of us with no interest in amateur psychology. I'm just helping him glib up his snobbery with a veneer of discrimination about physical things and a few of the easier abstracts not requiring original thinking. Simply because I've never mentioned anything about my life besides these things, it doesn't mean that's all there is to my life. In fact, I would describe the things mentioned in my original post as only a small part of my free time, and free time is something I don't have much of to begin with (unlike yourself, obviously). I'm not sure how your consumption of goods is any more original than my own. And no, I don't count the things you acquired by some well-worded but ultimately thin, supermarket novelette-style plot of intrigue and murder in Africa. I mean in the real world. Buying stuff isn't original, regardless. We all have to buy stuff, I just wondered if there were any things I could improve of in this regard. Since posting here, I've noticed that apparently I have already mastered this aspect of my life among many others I wasn't aware of, at least by comparison. |
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George M. Middius a écrit :
Uncle Troll said: Have you seen "Un singe en hivers" ? Tell us, Lionel. The best I can do is "Cold as a brass monkey" I looked it up. "A Monkey in Winter" -- literal translation works. It's about drunkenness -- i.e. it's quintessentially French. Poor George, you perfectly fit your own description of the "Borgs" in your today thread. |
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paul packer wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0500, dave weil wrote: During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Yes. Isn't it wonderful how people read what they wish to read, perhaps according to their own prejudices? Mr. Miller certainly knows how to push buttons. Unintentionally, I assure you. I don't think Andre hates me personally; he's simply defending his territory. Andre feels he has claimed the title of cultured intellectual here and so he defends his throne passionately. I hadn't considered this when I posted. That's probably why I was surprised that Andre wasn't more supportive, especially since we share a few interests. Little did I understand the social hierarchy present here and that my post constituted a challenge for Alpha Male of Snobbery. I would apologize for the perceived transgression and assure him that his flock is safely his, but it would be pointless as long as he's enraged. Maybe I will try later on once he's calmed down. |
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in article , Bruce C.
Miller at wrote on 10/10/05 2:33 PM: paul packer wrote: On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0500, dave weil wrote: During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Yes. Isn't it wonderful how people read what they wish to read, perhaps according to their own prejudices? Mr. Miller certainly knows how to push buttons. Unintentionally, I assure you. I don't think Andre hates me personally; he's simply defending his territory. Andre feels he has claimed the title of cultured intellectual here and so he defends his throne passionately. I hadn't considered this when I posted. That's probably why I was surprised that Andre wasn't more supportive, especially since we share a few interests. Little did I understand the social hierarchy present here and that my post constituted a challenge for Alpha Male of Snobbery. I would apologize for the perceived transgression and assure him that his flock is safely his, but it would be pointless as long as he's enraged. Maybe I will try later on once he's calmed down. Gee Bruce, you seem like a sharp guy. I hope you have more self-esteem than to worry about what someone as disturbed as Andre thinks of you. Andre is an alpha male only in his own mind. There are plenty of participants and lurkers who are better and deeper thinkers. However, they have one thing that Andre sadly lacks but desperately seeks -- that would be class -- and they don't need to prove it to anyone, let alone him. Carry on! |
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Seen. -- AJ
Bruce C. Miller sprays cod psych over us like spittle: paul packer wrote: On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0500, dave weil wrote: During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Yes. Isn't it wonderful how people read what they wish to read, perhaps according to their own prejudices? Mr. Miller certainly knows how to push buttons. Unintentionally, I assure you. I don't think Andre hates me personally; he's simply defending his territory. Andre feels he has claimed the title of cultured intellectual here and so he defends his throne passionately. I hadn't considered this when I posted. That's probably why I was surprised that Andre wasn't more supportive, especially since we share a few interests. Little did I understand the social hierarchy present here and that my post constituted a challenge for Alpha Male of Snobbery. I would apologize for the perceived transgression and assure him that his flock is safely his, but it would be pointless as long as he's enraged. Maybe I will try later on once he's calmed down. |
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Seen. -- AJ
Atlanta rentboy and crooked garage trader Jon Yaeger wrote: in article , Bruce C. Miller at wrote on 10/10/05 2:33 PM: paul packer wrote: On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0500, dave weil wrote: During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Yes. Isn't it wonderful how people read what they wish to read, perhaps according to their own prejudices? Mr. Miller certainly knows how to push buttons. Unintentionally, I assure you. I don't think Andre hates me personally; he's simply defending his territory. Andre feels he has claimed the title of cultured intellectual here and so he defends his throne passionately. I hadn't considered this when I posted. That's probably why I was surprised that Andre wasn't more supportive, especially since we share a few interests. Little did I understand the social hierarchy present here and that my post constituted a challenge for Alpha Male of Snobbery. I would apologize for the perceived transgression and assure him that his flock is safely his, but it would be pointless as long as he's enraged. Maybe I will try later on once he's calmed down. Gee Bruce, you seem like a sharp guy. I hope you have more self-esteem than to worry about what someone as disturbed as Andre thinks of you. Andre is an alpha male only in his own mind. There are plenty of participants and lurkers who are better and deeper thinkers. However, they have one thing that Andre sadly lacks but desperately seeks -- that would be class -- and they don't need to prove it to anyone, let alone him. Carry on! |
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On 10 Oct 2005 11:33:41 -0700, "Bruce C. Miller"
wrote: paul packer wrote: On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:45:17 -0500, dave weil wrote: During the same period Hollywood made a great many good films, a few great ones, and scads of the usual bubblegum trash. Europe too turned out bubblegum trash, to such an extent that the soft-porn producers Golan and Globus went to Hollywood as big men. So, I cannot agree with Bruce that French movies, or European movies, are intrinsically superior. Well, it would be helpful if he actually said that. Yes. Isn't it wonderful how people read what they wish to read, perhaps according to their own prejudices? Mr. Miller certainly knows how to push buttons. Unintentionally, I assure you. I don't think Andre hates me personally; he's simply defending his territory. Andre feels he has claimed the title of cultured intellectual here and so he defends his throne passionately. He thinks *that*? Pompous purveyor of purple prose springs to mind, overlaid of course with that pseudo-intellectual verbal diarrhoea which is the mark of those who have retired from the real world to the marbled halls of academe, a wonderful fairyland where mutual admiration and backstabbing co-exist in a sea of self-satisfaction. To be sure, it is a classless society, but not in the usual sense of that expression.................. :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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