Andre Jute, as
Fritz Wuehler wrote
in rec.audio.tubes02be2c2a338b252bf8fbd15421a6667b@r emailer.frell.eu.org,
on 24 Oct 2003 12:29:40 +0200,

[snip]

: Im waiting for my new Mac to be delivered, so it was pretty late and miserable when I took a walk late yesterday afternoon. I went into the library to get warm and the first book I picked up to read while I was there was Erich Fromm on the urge to aggression. It fell open at a page about intelligence. I didnt know any of what I read when I was educated it was still believed that mans intelligence is what civilizes him. (I never accepted that but on grounds of skepticism about degrees and depth of civilization, a different argument to Fromms altogether.) Now the accepted view is precisely opposite: that mans intelligence is what makes him savage, with some pretty good data and argument.

[snip]

: Fromms book next opened at another page, where he describes how a group creates someone a bogeyman, not one of them, an outsider, which then justifies killing him. Sounds to me pretty much like a troll, and the practice of the Magnequest Mob and now the Turner Trash on RAT. Youre not so off-topic at all.
:
: Andre Jute

[I hope you aren't suggesting that the more intelligent, the more savage?]
[Well, maybe so, looking at the state of the planet, but let's be optimists!]

The same "shadow" or "other" can apply on an individual level, note.

I recall Fromm somewhat vaguely from the 70's or 80's, not in detail now.
I still have a visual memory of the cover of one book ...

However, from your referencing aggression above, I suggest you might find
this, an article I just happened across earlier today, whilst browsing
elsewhere, quite interesting, in conjunction with personal/social dynamics.
Oh, it may seem a bit simple, or maybe not, but, if you will, check out:
http://lynneforrest.com/articles/fov.html
If you sense impatience and want to skip through, try
http://lynneforrest.com/articles/fov4.html
I think it's *quite* relevant to your present approach!
You might choose to read it completely. Others probably will...

Regards,
Ross Matheson

--

"Plaice, let's not flounder in bass cod psychology!"

"Ross Matheson" wrote in message
...
Andre Jute, as
Fritz Wuehler wrote
in
rec.audio.tubes02be2c2a338b252bf8fbd15421a6667b@r emailer.frell.eu.org,
on 24 Oct 2003 12:29:40 +0200,

[snip]

: Im waiting for my new Mac to be delivered, so it was pretty late and
miserable when I took a walk late yesterday afternoon. I went into the
library to get warm and the first book I picked up to read while I was there
was Erich Fromm on the urge to aggression. It fell open at a page about
intelligence. I didnt know any of what I read when I was educated it was
still believed that mans intelligence is what civilizes him. (I never
accepted that but on grounds of skepticism about degrees and depth of
civilization, a different argument to Fromms altogether.) Now the accepted
view is precisely opposite: that mans intelligence is what makes him savage,
with some pretty good data and argument.

[snip]

: Fromms book next opened at another page, where he describes how a group
creates someone a bogeyman, not one of them, an outsider, which then
justifies killing him. Sounds to me pretty much like a troll, and the
practice of the Magnequest Mob and now the Turner Trash on RAT. Youre not so
off-topic at all.
:
: Andre Jute

[I hope you aren't suggesting that the more intelligent, the more savage?]
[Well, maybe so, looking at the state of the planet, but let's be
optimists!]

The same "shadow" or "other" can apply on an individual level, note.

I recall Fromm somewhat vaguely from the 70's or 80's, not in detail now.
I still have a visual memory of the cover of one book ...

However, from your referencing aggression above, I suggest you might find
this, an article I just happened across earlier today, whilst browsing
elsewhere, quite interesting, in conjunction with personal/social
dynamics.
Oh, it may seem a bit simple, or maybe not, but, if you will, check out:
http://lynneforrest.com/articles/fov.html
If you sense impatience and want to skip through, try
http://lynneforrest.com/articles/fov4.html
I think it's *quite* relevant to your present approach!
You might choose to read it completely. Others probably will...

Regards,
Ross Matheson

--

"Plaice, let's not flounder in bass cod psychology!"


Erich, Andre, Heinrich and I have recently locked heads and touched base,
about this stuff. Erich sees himself as the new Fuhrer, Heinrich wants
everybody to be extrapolated and Andre keeps talking about Patrick Turner
......
It is difficult for me to find a common ground from where the three of us
can go forward on this thing, whatever it is .....
Erich looks lovely in his starched black uniform.... Heinrich has become an
eco peace warrior recently....Andre continues to wattle on about PT.......
I am trying to keep the three of them together as we thrust forward into the
new millenium, towards a common goal, whatever it may be..
We may have to ditch Andre. He is not radical enough ...
kind regards
jim