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BOSE can sound good in a small room
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian |
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You are ****ing brain dead.
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I take that back, your either brainwashed or tone deaf or both.
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You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both.
But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it. Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go away with your bull **** trolling activities. |
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Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks. |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. Right... |
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Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. More on Bose. It's a never ending oddesy. Thank you for all your helpful replies. But did they make an impression? Did you look at some of the posted links that discuss the Bose dilemma in detail? It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. Very scientific. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. Yes more reflection gives more bass but...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. This is also an indication of the fact that even when you can't hear the speakers distorting at lower volumes they still are. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. Totally subjective but yes they can if that is what you like, just don't call them hifi or be under the misconception you can't get better fidelity (more true output in relation to the source) for the same money. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. You Bose system probably doesn't go anywhere near that low and if you put the Paradigm in the same corner where your sub is they would be considerably lower sounding than your Bose sub. But you are saying that the Bose have better imaging? I would submit that if you had the Paradigm setup in your room not the store that the imaging would be far superior to the Bose. Regards Brian Ren says enjoy your Bose but you should really read some of those links listed in the previous thread. Hey if you like the way they sound then that's the whole point but you should try and hook up with an audiophile can let you listen to a hifi system I think you will be impressed. |
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On 3/30/05 7:06 PM, in article , "ren"
wrote: Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just plain wrong Brian and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers. It's Easy, It's Fun and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted destinations in there! Go for it! Thanks! |
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On 3/30/05 10:02 PM, in article , "ren"
wrote: Ren says enjoy your Bose Ren and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers. It's Easy, It's Fun and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted destinations in there! Go for it! Thanks! |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:
I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian Paradigm are garbage. Cheap componentry and the wattage handling ratings are way too high. The produced a set of self-powered speakers some years back. The components they used for the internal amps weren't even fit for a sub-woofer and those parts which cost around $12 per speaker effectively doubled the speaker price versus the non-powered ones. When they bought Sonic Frontiers it was a black day in audio. -Rich |
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John Brock wrote:
Ren and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers. Excuse me, but I don't understand your complaint. Why exactly should the headers be trimmed, and more importantly, how? Because you are wasting peoples time, bandwidth and diskspace in newsgroups that are not relevant for the topic. that belongs in rec.audio.opinion only. Is this discussion inappropriate for one of the three audio newsgroups to which it was posted? YES! (Actually only two -- "rec.audio.option" doesn't seem to exist). Someone would have posted it to rec.audio.opinion, where it belongs. If so, which one, and why? This is about someones opinion, it is not about facts. Therefore it belongs in rec.audio.opinion only. I hope you are not one of those newbies who is under the mistaken impression that crossposting is always wrong. Crossposting is intented for use in asking a question that may belong in several newsgroups. As an example room acoustic issues that are relevant for alt.audio.pro.live-sound may require the expertise found in alt.sci.physics.acoustics. Normally the questionee crossposting a question would also suggest a newsgroup for the discussion and add a followup-to: header pointing at it. The capability was built into the system quite deliberately, and this looks like an appropriate use of that capability to me. It is not suitable to crosspost permanently into newsgrops where the topic is off topic. Maybe I'm wrong. It is probably more fair to say that your comprehension of this appears to be incomplete. But without some sort of explanation you are just giving orders that you have no way of enforcing! Welcome to the usenet. Consider yourself flamed. A followup-to: header pointing at rec.audio.opinion has been added. John Brock Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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SSJVCmag wrote: On 3/30/05 10:02 PM, in article , "ren" wrote: Ren says enjoy your Bose Ren and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers. It's Easy, It's Fun and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted destinations in there! Go for it! Thanks! Excuse me, but I don't understand your complaint. Why exactly should the headers be trimmed, and more importantly, how? Is this discussion inappropriate for one of the three audio newsgroups to which it was posted? (Actually only two -- "rec.audio.option" doesn't seem to exist). If so, which one, and why? I hope you are not one of those newbies who is under the mistaken impression that crossposting is always wrong. The capability was built into the system quite deliberately, and this looks like an appropriate use of that capability to me. Maybe I'm wrong. But without some sort of explanation you are just giving orders that you have no way of enforcing! -- John Brock |
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"Brian" wrote in message ... I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. What you describe is not 'good sound' by any stretch of the imagination. A turd in a big room is still a turd in a small room. geoff So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. You mean that the Bosii have poor dynamic range, and you prefer 'flat' music ? They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass. geoff |
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RichA wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian Paradigm are garbage. Cheap componentry and the wattage handling ratings are way too high. The produced a set of self-powered speakers some years back. The components they used for the internal amps weren't even fit for a sub-woofer and those parts which cost around $12 per speaker effectively doubled the speaker price versus the non-powered ones. When they bought Sonic Frontiers it was a black day in audio. -Rich OK Rich, what speakers would you recommend? Regards Brian |
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ren wrote:
You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both. But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it. Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go away with your bull **** trolling activities. Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers or are you basing your judgement on what you have read? Regards Brian |
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ren wrote:
Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks. Please do be polite. I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers are better for classical music and some speakers are better for movies. These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE speakers. I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers. I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on having speakers go out of the store for a demo. I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers. Regards Brian |
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ren wrote:
Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. More on Bose. It's a never ending oddesy. Thank you for all your helpful replies. But did they make an impression? Did you look at some of the posted links that discuss the Bose dilemma in detail? It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. Very scientific. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. Yes more reflection gives more bass but...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. This is also an indication of the fact that even when you can't hear the speakers distorting at lower volumes they still are. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. Totally subjective but yes they can if that is what you like, just don't call them hifi or be under the misconception you can't get better fidelity (more true output in relation to the source) for the same money. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. You Bose system probably doesn't go anywhere near that low and if you put the Paradigm in the same corner where your sub is they would be considerably lower sounding than your Bose sub. But you are saying that the Bose have better imaging? I would submit that if you had the Paradigm setup in your room not the store that the imaging would be far superior to the Bose. Regards Brian Ren says enjoy your Bose but you should really read some of those links listed in the previous thread. Hey if you like the way they sound then that's the whole point but you should try and hook up with an audiophile can let you listen to a hifi system I think you will be impressed. I have read all the 200+ replies and are reading the links, some links have been very helpful. I'm beginning to think that saterlite speakers are good for surround sound movies and bookself or floor standing speakers are good for music. Regards Brian |
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RichA wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian Paradigm are garbage. Cheap componentry and the wattage handling ratings are way too high. The produced a set of self-powered speakers some years back. The components they used for the internal amps weren't even fit for a sub-woofer and those parts which cost around $12 per speaker effectively doubled the speaker price versus the non-powered ones. When they bought Sonic Frontiers it was a black day in audio. -Rich Thanks for your comment Rich. I was hoping someone would comment on these speakers. The advert seems to suggest that they are budget speakers and they are not expensive so like you say they don't sound as good as other speakers (BOSE not included). Regards Brian |
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"Geoff Wood" wrote:
"Brian" wrote in message .. . I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. What you describe is not 'good sound' by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying that BOSE have limits A turd in a big room is still a turd in a small room. All I'm saying is they become unbearable to listen to at a higher volume. geoff So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. You mean that the Bosii have poor dynamic range, and you prefer 'flat' music No I'm saying that I was impressed with the speakers by hearing an impact when the music suddendly increased in volume such as classical music does. So maybe the speakers are better suited to orchestra music. ? They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass. What ever was lacking. geoff Thanks for your comments geoff Regards Brian |
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ren wrote:
You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both. But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it. Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go away with your bull **** trolling activities. Let me make one thing clear- I'm an open minded person and not narrow minded. I welcome peoples comments and find them useful. I intend to listen to other brands of speakers. Regards Brian |
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playon wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote: The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. Right... Does that mean you agree with me. I think I got the idea of facing the bass and sub woofer speaker at the wall from a HiFi magazine. Regards Brian |
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Brian wrote:
ren wrote: Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. More on Bose. It's a never ending oddesy. Thank you for all your helpful replies. But did they make an impression? Did you look at some of the posted links that discuss the Bose dilemma in detail? It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. Very scientific. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. Yes more reflection gives more bass but...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. This is also an indication of the fact that even when you can't hear the speakers distorting at lower volumes they still are. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. Totally subjective but yes they can if that is what you like, just don't call them hifi or be under the misconception you can't get better fidelity (more true output in relation to the source) for the same money. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. You Bose system probably doesn't go anywhere near that low and if you put the Paradigm in the same corner where your sub is they would be considerably lower sounding than your Bose sub. But you are saying that the Bose have better imaging? I would submit that if you had the Paradigm setup in your room not the store that the imaging would be far superior to the Bose. Regards Brian Ren says enjoy your Bose but you should really read some of those links listed in the previous thread. Hey if you like the way they sound then that's the whole point but you should try and hook up with an audiophile can let you listen to a hifi system I think you will be impressed. I have read all the 200+ replies and are reading the links, some links have been very helpful. I'm beginning to think that saterlite speakers are good for surround sound movies and bookself or floor standing speakers are good for music. Regards Brian Then Brian you are in denial. I just reread the Bose FAQ link that was posted, it boggles my imagination (which is very rich) on how you can ignore everything in there and make up conclusions like a distinction between movies and music to justify the Bose systems lack of performance. Here then is the part that is upsetting. Your Bose in hifi circle are good for nothing. But they are advertised well and uniformed people buy them thinking they own the holy grail. Now you are informed but you can't accept that they are low quality. If you enjoy listening to them it doesn't mean they are good, just that they are good to you. I've had enough of your Bose misconceptions for a lifetime. Enjoy your speakers and stand on the rooftops and shout they rock. You will find a lot of company that agrees but in the back of your mind you will know your moped is not a Ferrari at all. |
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They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass. What ever was lacking. geoff Thanks for your comments geoff Regards Brian Glad to see you thanking rational posters BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND and more importantly ACCEPT REALITY. |
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Brian wrote:
ren wrote: You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both. But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it. Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go away with your bull **** trolling activities. Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers or are you basing your judgement on what you have read? Regards Brian This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences are but when you continue to try to convince us that your Bose are good quality IT IS LAUGHABLE I only wish you understood how laughable it is so that you'd finally be quiet. Yes I have listened to Bose and I understand a bit better than you and have a decent system so I can hear how crappy they are. Moreover I can also see the other side (your side) in that without knowledge or a reference how they can be pleasurable to listen to. FINE. Then listen to them and enjoy them. |
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ren wrote: Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks. Please do be polite. I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers are better for classical music and some speakers are better for movies. These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE speakers. I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers. I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on having speakers go out of the store for a demo. I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers. Regards Brian You can't correct a wrong with another and use that as a basis for thinking that the first wrong is then correct. If you want to stay in a budget I think you need to go with used equipment. Pick up a pair of ADS speakers on ebay. You can get a pair that used to sell for $800 for around $200. Models L810, L710, L780, L520. It can be a four driver three way system or a three driver three way system or a two driver two way system. Any of those will serve you well and far outperform the paradigm or the bose. Go take a look and post back as to what you are considering we'll guide you along as to if they look OK. Here is an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW These will sound fine and are in great condition. Another option is to get a pair of B&W. I've been following them in ebay lately trying to zero in on a purchase here are the average selling prices over the last month. You can try for a pair of DM601 S1. Series 1 600 601 276 602 374 602.5 603 495 604 705 Series 2 600 601 339 602 398 602.5 603 627 604 925 605 885 Series 3 600 297 601 335 602 491 602.5 576 603 604 Either the ADS or the B&W are fine speakers and will play loud and NOT DISTORT, they have full bandwidth and smooth clear sound with very good imaging) What say you? |
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ren wrote: You are your brainwashed or tone deaf or both. But I will give you this one break in that you have never probably heard a real quality hifi, which coincidentally you could assemble for as much or less than your bose crap you are trying so hard to convince yourself is worth anything over the $1 you spent on it. Than again after reading all the wonderful posts with so much information including a link to why bose IS NOT hifi I can see that you are simply HOPELESS. So please just shove the bose up your ass and go away with your bull **** trolling activities. Let me make one thing clear- I'm an open minded person and not narrow minded. I welcome peoples comments and find them useful. I intend to listen to other brands of speakers. Regards Brian Glad to hear it as it will only benefit your ultimate listening experience. I would seriously go used you're going to get a lot more for your money as long as your seller has a good reputation. Also check out Audiogon.com for B&W and ADS you'll find a lot of great deals there too. Not to mention you can read some of the forums discussing $$$$$$$ speakers. |
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Brian wrote: ren wrote: Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. More on Bose. It's a never ending oddesy. Thank you for all your helpful replies. But did they make an impression? Did you look at some of the posted links that discuss the Bose dilemma in detail? It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. Very scientific. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. Yes more reflection gives more bass but...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. This is also an indication of the fact that even when you can't hear the speakers distorting at lower volumes they still are. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. Totally subjective but yes they can if that is what you like, just don't call them hifi or be under the misconception you can't get better fidelity (more true output in relation to the source) for the same money. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. You Bose system probably doesn't go anywhere near that low and if you put the Paradigm in the same corner where your sub is they would be considerably lower sounding than your Bose sub. But you are saying that the Bose have better imaging? I would submit that if you had the Paradigm setup in your room not the store that the imaging would be far superior to the Bose. Regards Brian Ren says enjoy your Bose but you should really read some of those links listed in the previous thread. Hey if you like the way they sound then that's the whole point but you should try and hook up with an audiophile can let you listen to a hifi system I think you will be impressed. I have read all the 200+ replies and are reading the links, some links have been very helpful. I'm beginning to think that saterlite speakers are good for surround sound movies and bookself or floor standing speakers are good for music. Regards Brian Then Brian you are in denial. I just reread the Bose FAQ link that was posted, it boggles my imagination (which is very rich) on how you can ignore everything in there and make up conclusions like a distinction between movies and music to justify the Bose systems lack of performance. Here then is the part that is upsetting. Your Bose in hifi circle are good for nothing. But they are advertised well and uniformed people buy them thinking they own the holy grail. Now you are informed but you can't accept that they are low quality. If you enjoy listening to them it doesn't mean they are good, just that they are good to you. I've had enough of your Bose misconceptions for a lifetime. Enjoy your speakers and stand on the rooftops and shout they rock. You will find a lot of company that agrees but in the back of your mind you will know your moped is not a Ferrari at all. In my statement " I'm beginning to think that satellite speakers are good for surround sound movies and bookshelf or floor standing speakers are good for music." I was NOT referring to BOSE speakers. I was meaning any brand of speaker. Regards Brian |
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snip They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass. What ever was lacking. geoff Thanks for your comments geoff Regards Brian Glad to see you thanking rational posters BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND and more importantly ACCEPT REALITY. I don't mind being the student. I have a thirst for knowledge. I'm not disagreeing with anyone. Regards Brian |
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Brian wrote: ren wrote: Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks. Please do be polite. I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers are better for classical music and some speakers are better for movies. These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE speakers. I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers. I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on having speakers go out of the store for a demo. I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers. Regards Brian You can't correct a wrong with another and use that as a basis for thinking that the first wrong is then correct. If you want to stay in a budget I think you need to go with used equipment. Pick up a pair of ADS speakers on ebay. You can get a pair that used to sell for $800 for around $200. Models L810, L710, L780, L520. It can be a four driver three way system or a three driver three way system or a two driver two way system. Any of those will serve you well and far outperform the paradigm or the bose. Go take a look and post back as to what you are considering we'll guide you along as to if they look OK. Here is an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW These will sound fine and are in great condition. Another option is to get a pair of B&W. I've been following them in ebay lately trying to zero in on a purchase here are the average selling prices over the last month. You can try for a pair of DM601 S1. Series 1 600 601 276 602 374 602.5 603 495 604 705 Series 2 600 601 339 602 398 602.5 603 627 604 925 605 885 Series 3 600 297 601 335 602 491 602.5 576 603 604 Either the ADS or the B&W are fine speakers and will play loud and NOT DISTORT, they have full bandwidth and smooth clear sound with very good imaging) What say you? Thanks ren. I've found in the past that I end up spending a bit more money than I expected to else I limit my choice. I hope to try some B&W speakers soon. Regards Brian |
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ren wrote: Brian wrote: ren wrote: Brian wrote: I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some of the posts were not related to my question. Thank you for all your helpful replies. It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large room. The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance from the speakers is 3 meters. The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume. If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to me without shouting. So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup. I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit" the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range. They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency response was 45Hz. Regards Brian I want to be polite but simply put with no way around it you are just plain wrong about your observations. Unless you are using them as headphones and even then your results are questionable. Have you ever heard a real hifi? The previous thread had links to detailed information regarding the inadequacies of bose systems did you read them. You are really turning into a troll or someone with severe buyers remorse trying to convince themselves of something is scientifically untrue. If bose floats your boat then be quiet and float away but don't be a FOOL and try to convince rational audiophiles that bose is anything even nearly resembling true fidelity. Bose is an attempt at getting a certain kind of concert like live sound it is not accurate 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB sound reproduction. That said a pair of good tweeters costs more than those dinky distortion producing non uniform frequency outputting mid bass drivers (if they can even be called that) that are in your bose system. Please sit in your room and listen to your bose system and enjoy it, because I'm sure it can be enjoyable but again don't try to convince anyone that it's hifi. Thanks. Please do be polite. I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers are better for classical music and some speakers are better for movies. These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE speakers. I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers. I'm hoping to listen to other brands of speakers. Ideally it would be good to setup a pair of speakers in my home and that way I could get to hear what they really sound like, but most dealers are not keen on having speakers go out of the store for a demo. I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said. I have an open mind else I would not bother to read the replys or listen to other speakers. Regards Brian You can't correct a wrong with another and use that as a basis for thinking that the first wrong is then correct. If you want to stay in a budget I think you need to go with used equipment. Pick up a pair of ADS speakers on ebay. You can get a pair that used to sell for $800 for around $200. Models L810, L710, L780, L520. It can be a four driver three way system or a three driver three way system or a two driver two way system. Any of those will serve you well and far outperform the paradigm or the bose. Go take a look and post back as to what you are considering we'll guide you along as to if they look OK. Here is an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW These will sound fine and are in great condition. Another option is to get a pair of B&W. I've been following them in ebay lately trying to zero in on a purchase here are the average selling prices over the last month. You can try for a pair of DM601 S1. Series 1 600 601 276 602 374 602.5 603 495 604 705 Series 2 600 601 339 602 398 602.5 603 627 604 925 605 885 Series 3 600 297 601 335 602 491 602.5 576 603 604 Either the ADS or the B&W are fine speakers and will play loud and NOT DISTORT, they have full bandwidth and smooth clear sound with very good imaging) What say you? Thanks ren. I've found in the past that I end up spending a bit more money than I expected to else I limit my choice. I hope to try some B&W speakers soon. Regards Brian Here is a less expensive B&W which I don't think will perform as well as the DM600 series. BUT read the details and look at the graphs it will be good for your thirst for knowledge. BTW plastic boxes like bose uses really do a poor job with the accelerometer testing of the cabinet resonances. This greatly colors/distorts the signal you are listening to. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT |
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On 3/31/05 4:45 AM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
wrote: 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. Geof and All you guys gals and others, get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED. No reason not to. It's Quick! It's Fun! It's EASY! It earns you the respect and eternal homage of Well SOMEBODY I'd guess. Just Do It. Now Please. Thanks |
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