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Value of KLH speakers?
"thanatoid" wrote in message ... Hell I've never heard a pair of speakers that I'd be happy with for that price, and the frequency response above 15kHz is NOT a real consideration for me any more. BUT distortion levels and bass response sure are. However for those who are happy with their little systems, good luck to them, they sure save a lot of money, but don't pretend they are just as good. And IF you are a musician, I'll bet you wouldn't be happy playing in a venue with a $1500 sound system! Take off all the gold necklaces affecting your brain operation and you MAY realize that an amplifier (etc) for stage use is NOT quite the same as a hi-fi amplifier in the house. Maybe IF you could actually read I specifically mentioned speakers, NOT amplifiers (which CAN be had for little money these days, both HiFi and pro-sound) MrT. |
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"Bill Graham" wrote in message ... No question.....It certainly has little to do with the money they make No argument there! MrT. |
#83
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Ah, You'd know all about looking the fool, Kooger. AZ's "It doesn't and you won't." wasn't a logical argument, and it deserved none in response. |
#84
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Bill Graham wrote:
"dizzy" wrote in message news Bill Graham wrote: "dizzy" wrote: Bill Graham wrote: Also, the highest note on a piano is only around 8 Kilohertz, so it's pretty much a waste of time to buy devices that operate much above that, either, but that's a whole different argument, and I probably shouldn't open up that can of worms..... You're right, you shouldn't. The are audible harmonics above 8 kHz, no matter what the fundamental frequency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonics Yes.....Barely audible, at least to me....I do notice that when I was younger, I had little or no trouble being able to tell the difference between real sounds, and sounds that came from some electronic reproductive device, but in recent years (I am 75) Doesn't excuse the above silly statement you made: And what silly statement was that? Also, the highest note on a piano is only around 8 Kilohertz, so it's pretty much a waste of time to buy devices that operate much above that |
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"dizzy" wrote in message ... Bill Graham wrote: "dizzy" wrote in message news Bill Graham wrote: "dizzy" wrote: Bill Graham wrote: Also, the highest note on a piano is only around 8 Kilohertz, so it's pretty much a waste of time to buy devices that operate much above that, either, but that's a whole different argument, and I probably shouldn't open up that can of worms..... You're right, you shouldn't. The are audible harmonics above 8 kHz, no matter what the fundamental frequency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonics Yes.....Barely audible, at least to me....I do notice that when I was younger, I had little or no trouble being able to tell the difference between real sounds, and sounds that came from some electronic reproductive device, but in recent years (I am 75) Doesn't excuse the above silly statement you made: And what silly statement was that? Also, the highest note on a piano is only around 8 Kilohertz, so it's pretty much a waste of time to buy devices that operate much above that Well, how silly that is depends on your (or my) definition of, "much". But I will concede that three times the fundamental is a reasonable starting point. 4x the fundamental is definitely overkill, in my opinion, and there isn't much music that goes more than about 4 KHz, (which is one octave below the highest note on the piano) In any case, it's a matter of opinion.....Just having the range without considering what's in that range is another question altogether.....Perhaps the music might sound better without all the harmonics above 4 or 5 times the fundamental. It's kind of like wine tasting.....Just because you can taste the difference between wine from two different vineyards doesn't mean that the most expensive one is going to taste better. A reasonable person might like a cheap wine better than a very expensive one. In a similar vein, music without all the higher harmonics may not be necessarily worse.....Some of those harmonics might ruin the sound to those who can actually hear them. A purist will probably like the harmonics, but there are a lot of people who like what I call "pseudo-stereo", or artificially manufactured stereo which is unlike what you actually hear when you go to the concert and sit front and center. They prefer, (and are willing to pay a premium for) the gimics, or the sounds manufactured by sound mixers playing some kind of game at the mixing boards. |
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in
u: "thanatoid" wrote in message ... snip Maybe IF you could actually read I specifically mentioned speakers, NOT amplifiers (which CAN be had for little money these days, both HiFi and pro-sound) You said: And IF you are a musician, I'll bet you wouldn't be happy playing in a venue with a $1500 sound system! OK, if "sound system" means speakers, so be it. -- "Anytime I hear the word "culture", I get on the Internet." - a 21st Century Moron |
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"thanatoid" wrote in message ... Maybe IF you could actually read I specifically mentioned speakers, NOT amplifiers (which CAN be had for little money these days, both HiFi and pro-sound) You said: GO back and look at what YOU deliberately snipped!!!!!!!!!! Only total ******s need to do that to try and prove some stupid point. MrT. |
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"thanatoid" wrote in message ... **** off and die. Ditto Plonk. I'm SO heartbroken! :-) MrT. |
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Bill Graham wrote:
music without all the higher harmonics may not be necessarily worse.....Some of those harmonics might ruin the sound to those who can actually hear them. There's nothing more to discuss, silly person. Sheesh. |
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"dizzy" wrote in message ... Bill Graham wrote: music without all the higher harmonics may not be necessarily worse.....Some of those harmonics might ruin the sound to those who can actually hear them. There's nothing more to discuss, silly person. Sheesh. I'll go even further than that....Some of the modern music would be better if there were no sounds at all......How many times have I said, "Thank God for the mute button...." |
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs GregS wrote:
In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: On 9/5/2010 10:02 PM Eeyore spake thus: [snip] My point was that the floor the speakers is placed on *could* easily be carpeted. Certainly not my choice of floor covering here, but it exists in many places out there in the wild. And yes, I certainly wouldn't expect to see carpet in a studio control room. I would say carpeting is mandatory in my view in any audio room. So is wall treatments, and ceiling treatments. Ahh! I fondly remember the days of gluing egg-trays to the ceiling of the lounge until it was completely covered from wall to wall. Those were the days, when aesthetics took a back-seat to sound quality. -- Shaun. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche |
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On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 18:43:26 +1300, "~misfit~"
wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs GregS wrote: In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: On 9/5/2010 10:02 PM Eeyore spake thus: [snip] My point was that the floor the speakers is placed on *could* easily be carpeted. Certainly not my choice of floor covering here, but it exists in many places out there in the wild. And yes, I certainly wouldn't expect to see carpet in a studio control room. I would say carpeting is mandatory in my view in any audio room. So is wall treatments, and ceiling treatments. Ahh! I fondly remember the days of gluing egg-trays to the ceiling of the lounge until it was completely covered from wall to wall. Those were the days, when aesthetics took a back-seat to sound quality. I think you mean those were the days when aesthetics and sound quality took a back seat to urban myth. d |
#93
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"~misfit~" wrote in
message Somewhere on teh intarwebs GregS wrote: In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: On 9/5/2010 10:02 PM Eeyore spake thus: [snip] My point was that the floor the speakers is placed on *could* easily be carpeted. Certainly not my choice of floor covering here, but it exists in many places out there in the wild. And yes, I certainly wouldn't expect to see carpet in a studio control room. I would say carpeting is mandatory in my view in any audio room. So is wall treatments, and ceiling treatments. Ahh! I fondly remember the days of gluing egg-trays to the ceiling of the lounge until it was completely covered from wall to wall. Those were the days, when aesthetics took a back-seat to sound quality. At university, my room was fairly small and some really neat egg trays were available in large volumes from the dumpster behind the residence hall kitchen. I obtained a large number of them, painted them tasteful colors, fastened them together into large panels with stiff wire, and literally covered the walls of my room with them. They had virtually no beneficial acoustical effects, which measurements bear out. |
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs Arny Krueger wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote in message Somewhere on teh intarwebs GregS wrote: In article , David Nebenzahl wrote: On 9/5/2010 10:02 PM Eeyore spake thus: [snip] My point was that the floor the speakers is placed on *could* easily be carpeted. Certainly not my choice of floor covering here, but it exists in many places out there in the wild. And yes, I certainly wouldn't expect to see carpet in a studio control room. I would say carpeting is mandatory in my view in any audio room. So is wall treatments, and ceiling treatments. Ahh! I fondly remember the days of gluing egg-trays to the ceiling of the lounge until it was completely covered from wall to wall. Those were the days, when aesthetics took a back-seat to sound quality. At university, my room was fairly small and some really neat egg trays were available in large volumes from the dumpster behind the residence hall kitchen. I obtained a large number of them, painted them tasteful colors, fastened them together into large panels with stiff wire, and literally covered the walls of my room with them. They had virtually no beneficial acoustical effects, which measurements bear out. Yeah, I don't think our egg trays did anything either. Still, it was a talking point. :-) I actually have one on the side of the 100+ year-old solid timber chest-of-drawers in my bedroom right now. There is a downward-firing Klipsch 12" sub next to it with the port only around 120mm away and aimed right at the side. I don't know if that does anything either but I didn't like the idea of a big port like that breathing so close to a large flat (potentially resonant) surface. -- Cheers, Shaun. "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche |
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