How many years does it take to move a plant?? Three? Four??
Five???

said:

How many years does it take to move a plant?? Three? Four??
Five???

Depends. My Ficus was moved in 10 seconds.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:10:03 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

said:

How many years does it take to move a plant?? Three? Four??
Five???

Depends. My Ficus was moved in 10 seconds.

What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
question.

On Thu, 20 May 2004 01:58:42 GMT, wrote:

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:10:03 +0200, Sander deWaal
wrote:

said:

How many years does it take to move a plant?? Three? Four??
Five???

Depends. My Ficus was moved in 10 seconds.

What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
question.


a ficus is a plant that looks like a little tree that people keep in
their house.

keep a sense of perspective.

kind regards

bill

said:

What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
question.

And even this simple question you manage to mess up.
It's " *ARE* WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? ".

Now, to put you out of your misery, I don't think Western Electric is
going to make tubes again.

Sheesh. And they said tube people have a sense of humor.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Sander deWaal wrote:

said:

What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
question.

And even this simple question you manage to mess up.
It's " *ARE* WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? ".

Now, to put you out of your misery, I don't think Western Electric is
going to make tubes again.

Maybe they'll appear when the KT88 they keep putting off appears.... I've
been reading about their "New GEC" KT88 for years now. I wonder if they
were ever serious about that.



Sheesh. And they said tube people have a sense of humor.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Someone in Atlanta is making WE 300b's right now.

Phil Abbate

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: Sander deWaal wrote:
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: said:
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: What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
: question.
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: And even this simple question you manage to mess up.
: It's " *ARE* WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? ".
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: Now, to put you out of your misery, I don't think Western Electric is
: going to make tubes again.
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: Maybe they'll appear when the KT88 they keep putting off appears.... I've
: been reading about their "New GEC" KT88 for years now. I wonder if they
: were ever serious about that.
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: Sheesh. And they said tube people have a sense of humor.
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: Sander deWaal
: Vacuum Audio Consultancy
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What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
question.

"Are we going to make tubes?" Well, if I could I would. Now if Western
Electric
is going to, I doubt it.

How much wood would a woodchuck upchuck?

In article , says...



Sander deWaal wrote:

said:

What are you talking about??? IS WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? Simple
question.

And even this simple question you manage to mess up.
It's " *ARE* WE GOING TO MAKE TUBES? ".

Now, to put you out of your misery, I don't think Western Electric is
going to make tubes again.

Maybe they'll appear when the KT88 they keep putting off appears.... I've
been reading about their "New GEC" KT88 for years now. I wonder if they
were ever serious about that.



Sheesh. And they said tube people have a sense of humor.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy


See http://www.westernelectric.com/whatsnew.html

See http://www.westernelectric.com/whatsnew.html

The guy at WE sounded very confident in late 2003.

They explained they want to make other tubes besides the 300B.

And will they cost bloomin $300 each?

Patrick Turner.

What'd they do with the WE Kansas City plant/production line? I don't
remember the details. I do remember something about them getting/talking to
the original line workers though. keithw...


"anybody-but-bush" Anybody But wrote in message
link.net...
Someone in Atlanta is making WE 300b's right now.

Phil Abbate

Patrick Turner wrote:

See http://www.westernelectric.com/whatsnew.html

The guy at WE sounded very confident in late 2003.

They explained they want to make other tubes besides the 300B.

And will they cost bloomin $300 each?

Yes, or $750 or $1500 (http://www.westernelectric.com/pricing/prices.html).

--
Oskari Heinonen * University of Helsinki * Department of Computer Science
* http://www.cs.Helsinki.FI/Oskari.Heinonen/

Oskari Heinonen wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:

See http://www.westernelectric.com/whatsnew.html

The guy at WE sounded very confident in late 2003.

They explained they want to make other tubes besides the 300B.

And will they cost bloomin $300 each?

Yes, or $750 or $1500 (http://www.westernelectric.com/pricing/prices.html).

--
Oskari Heinonen * University of Helsinki * Department of Computer Science
* http://www.cs.Helsinki.FI/Oskari.Heinonen/

Interesting that the company should price itself right out of the market
amoungst
95% of the tube buying market;
usd $1,120 for a matched quad of KT88 is utterly absurd.

This price is about 25 dB over the price level of KT88EH.

Is WE going to try to tell us that the sound is 25 dB better?
or that they last 25 dB longer,
or that they put up with 25 dB worse operationg conditions?
or that they make 25 dB less thd than EH tubes?

But I see they must be depending on US buyer loyalty towards what is made in
the USA.
I wish them luck.

This is a bit of a smiley, because no matter what you buy nowdays, there
is always something from somewhere else, not made in one's own supposedly
wonderful country, and most likely having content made by child labour,
slave labour in "developing" countries, or things that have caused serious
pollution some place, a long way away. That is not to say that WE would be
complicit in
any of those negativities, but el mucho electronics used in a home system
does have aspects of its creation best left untold to the easily offended
of our society.
Even if they knew about the exploitations that go on, they are not
going to personally send "conscience payments" to that chinese dude
who slaved all day making that CD player for $1, or his brother,
who made that there chinese KT88 for about usd $0.75c worth of labour.

Patrick Turner.

On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:14:36 +1000, Patrick Turner
wrote:


Interesting that the company should price itself right out of the market
amoungst
95% of the tube buying market;
usd $1,120 for a matched quad of KT88 is utterly absurd.

Have to point out to you, straight from the PT Barnham school of
marketing :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0701 404&rd=1

And the bloody things still have a week to go
(Whether this is a good or bad thing, of course, depends on whether
you have a KT88 surplus or deficit).
All the more reason to start designing things around the less popular
puppies like the 12E1 and CV428, which are hard pressed to be worth
$10 a pop, yet still capable of creditable performance.
Its all fashion.
cheers
M

On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:14:36 +1000, Patrick Turner
wrote:

But I see they must be depending on US buyer loyalty towards what is made in
the USA.
I wish them luck.

The Typical buyer for these is probably Japanese or Korean.

Brian McAllister wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:14:36 +1000, Patrick Turner
wrote:

But I see they must be depending on US buyer loyalty towards what is made in
the USA.
I wish them luck.

The Typical buyer for these is probably Japanese or Korean.

Yeah, strange all that. But hey, someone may as well
sell them what they want.

If its exclusive, exorbitantly priced, and made by some ancient old company,
with some supposed aura from a bygone age, then its an attractive must have for
some folks.
Quad II in mint condition fetch silly prices in asia, and I cannot see what the
fuss is about.
Even the "mint" examples with all the original little used bits within have
serious rot in the R&C parts, and as soon as you change anything
when you service the amp, its no longer mint.
An amp is just an amp, and far better 22 watt amps can now made.
Maybe Ongaku is such a one, for about $100,000, with a 211 and silver wired OPT.
Its still just a tube amp, and after having heard a few 211 amps, I can't see or
hear
$100,000 worth of gear.
But with some prices being what they are, it makes it easier to compete.
And if somebody wants me to install WE tubes in an amp I make, I am very happy
to do so, and they should sound fine, I just hope they realise its worth the
money.

Patrick Turner

mike diack wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:14:36 +1000, Patrick Turner
wrote:

Interesting that the company should price itself right out of the market
amoungst
95% of the tube buying market;
usd $1,120 for a matched quad of KT88 is utterly absurd.

Have to point out to you, straight from the PT Barnham school of
marketing :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0701 404&rd=1

And the bloody things still have a week to go
(Whether this is a good or bad thing, of course, depends on whether
you have a KT88 surplus or deficit).
All the more reason to start designing things around the less popular
puppies like the 12E1 and CV428, which are hard pressed to be worth
$10 a pop, yet still capable of creditable performance.
Its all fashion.
cheers
M

Some folks don't care about the price. They are usually what is known as rich.
The rest of us grumble about spending $10, or worry about having a second piece of
pie.

12E1?

The tube industry should be developing a few new tubes,
rather than restocking the world with not so wonderful old types of tubes.

I would like to see an indirectly heated triode which is a plug in replacement for
all the
large octal tubes, like a 300B, with 50 watt Pd.

Meanwhile Emission Labs do very nice looking largely hand made 300B types,
but they are also very expensive, over aud $250 each.

EI told me 18 mths ago they were working on a prototype, which
they were going to call a 400B, but so far, afaik, no new EI triode that
all the world would truly fall in love with, and which should be priced at usd $20
each.
If a KT88 can be made and sold for $20, then it should be a doddle to
sell a decent large octal based triode, since there is no screen, beam plates, or
suppressor grid within,
so its simpler to make.
At the moment, I can buy a KT88 for the price of a meal at a good restaurant, and the

ones I have witnessed from Sovtek make music, and last OK, and if one does
go phut, it ain't a major tragedy, just plug in a replacement.

Patrick Turner.

My friend, Derek Walton, in Ireland has helped many build marvelous 300B
amps over the past few years. I'm included in that group. He has Western
Electric and Emission Labs. He says the build quality and sound of the EL
are far better than the W.E. He convinced me to call Jac van de Valle, the
owner of E.L., and as Soon as I can update my company's website, I'll be
offering those for sale in the US. Not trying to pitch anything here, but
check out www.silvercircleaudio.com in a about a week.
Dave Stanard



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How many years does it take to move a plant?? Three? Four??
Five???

David Stanard wrote:

My friend, Derek Walton, in Ireland has helped many build marvelous 300B
amps over the past few years. I'm included in that group. He has Western
Electric and Emission Labs. He says the build quality and sound of the EL
are far better than the W.E. He convinced me to call Jac van de Valle, the
owner of E.L., and as Soon as I can update my company's website, I'll be
offering those for sale in the US. Not trying to pitch anything here, but
check out www.silvercircleaudio.com in a about a week.
Dave Stanard

What sort of circuit do you or your friend Derek prefer for SET 300B?
I am curious because a customer of mine wants me to
do further mods to a ValveMark amplifier he recently purchased.
It come standard with a chinese 300B for each channel, which eventually
he might replace.
ValveMarks output trannies have very wide bandwidth and are blameless
we found, and Bob Marley sounded fine, with plenty of bass.
The driver is a simple paralleled 6CG7, resistance loaded (long plate, NOS,)
and the input is nos 12AU7 SRPP.
There is 2mV of hum at the output, in the form of rectifier 100 Hz pulses,
and this is due to the appalling way the maker ran his earth paths, and this
needs a
complete rewire.
On normal speakers of 90 dB/w/M, the hum is not objectionable, but
he finds the amps are noisy on his old Altec Lansing horn speakers, and I
offered
to work on what I knew would be a problem on the next upgrade.

Patrick Turner.



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How many years does it take to move a plant?? Three? Four??
Five???