"trotsky" wrote in message
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Dogma4e wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:

trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.



And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab?


Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy
speakers?

Trotsky thinks his customers are "dumb ****ing *******s."

I'm disappointed that the core of your sales strategy is a deeply rooted
cynicism about audiophiles.

"Dogma4e" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:40 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Dogma4e wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:

trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.



And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab?


Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy
speakers?

No. I say product liability underwriters look for it, as do owners of
companies that want some legal cover and some peace of mind against
causing some irrevocable damage.

And did I read that wrong, or did you just identify your target
customers as "dumb ****ing *******s"?

That's what I heard, and it explains a lot.

"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message
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"trotsky" wrote in message
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Robert Morein wrote:

A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.


"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"? It blows my mind that a
bunch of supposedly grown men sit around and talk trash in this manner.
And, of course, you Bob are the biggest hypocrite of them
all--although that's admittedly a long list. Dogging me with your Brian
McCarty like tactics--amazing. I suppose you're already getting your
just desserts because you're such a bad writer; misery loves company.
The only consolation I have is that even a whole newsgroup of beatoffs
and anonymice can't stand toe to toe with me. Oh, and that I've got an
excellent product and you don't. That's got to really burn you, eh Bob?

They've stood toe to toe and beat the living **** out of you. You're just
to stupid to know it.

That, of course, is why my conscience is clear.
If he should start to feel some hurt, we could credit ourselves for bringing
Trotsky out of his emotional coma.

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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Dogma4e wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:18:38 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



Dogma4e said:

[snip]


Please don't encourage Mc****head.



It doesn't look like he needs much encouragement. Matter of fact, it
is pretty interesting to watch the dynamic of Jupiter Audio's
presentation here at RAO. If you look at the first few dozen posts in
the original "Here It Is" thread, the vast majority were encouraging
and even respectful of gerg's effort. If gerg had somehow undergone a
personality transplant, he probably could have gathered good
suggestions on how to market and improve his product,

Actually, many people, including myself gave him advice. He stuck his
head in the sand and refused to listen.

Second that.
Greg, don't use your cordless screwdriver around glued-in stuffing.
You might get your finger caught in the stuffing-cum-glue, and be forced to
think of a solution.

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.

How do you know? You have never heard any.

I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
the Mommy****er's twisted psyche.

Right, Bobo?

That would be part of it.

Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.

They might not sound too good either, note.



The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete report,
which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
either.




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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:40 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Dogma4e wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:

trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.



And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab?


Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy speakers?

No. I say product liability underwriters look for it, as do owners of
companies that want some legal cover and some peace of mind against
causing some irrevocable damage.

And did I read that wrong, or did you just identify your target
customers as "dumb ****ing *******s"?

trotsky wrote:


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.

Dogma4e wrote:

And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab? I think they're in your neck of the woods.
Take a schematic. They will overdrive them for several hours, measure
delta T, and if they don't blow up you will have a UL listing.
Probably cost you about $2,400, and they'll let you pay ove time.
They'll want to inspect your cough, cough... factory, but they've seen
worse.

Good point, actually. We all missed this. If I was selling speakers,
I'd get them tested. The bookshelves, not really required. The sub?
Absolutely. It has an amplifier, afterall, and 120VAC running to it.

trotsky wrote:

Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy
speakers?

I wouldn't buy anything electric powered like your subwoofer without
a UL sticker on it.

P.S. guess what my dream job growing up was? Tester for UL labs.

Hey - you get *PAID* to abuse and blow stuff up. What could be better?

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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trotsky wrote:


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.


Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves, he has
brought it upon himself by his own unreasonable and impulsive behavior.




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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.

How do you know? You have never heard any.

I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
the Mommy****er's twisted psyche.

Right, Bobo?

That would be part of it.

Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.

They might not sound too good either, note.



The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete
report,
which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
either.

So why would I want a set of mediocre speakers for $1300?
I think that most of us on r.a.o. are cognoscenti; we know that in any price
range, there are standouts. I stick with the standouts, and pity the poor
uninformed masses who have to deal with sales droids for their information.
I wonder how they would compare to my MB Quart 8" two ways, the European
model. They listed for $900, I got them for $300, and they were actually
designed by talented, dedicated designers.

When I say "they might not sound too good", I allow the possibility that
they might -- not likely, but might -- have sound quality similar to a set
of mediocre $500 bookshelves.
But I doubt it.

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves

I believe you made a trotsky anti-reality error there. Should read:

"the razzing of Trotsky is exactly what he deserves"

No charge.

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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trotsky wrote:


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.

Sure they do.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml96/96105.html

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Sockpuppet Yustabe said:

Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves

I believe you made a trotsky anti-reality error there. Should read:

"the razzing of Trotsky is exactly what he deserves"

No charge.


I got my money's worth. Such a deal.
A better deal than Jupiter speakers.
However, there are at least a hundred other pairs
of $1,300 speakers I would never buy.




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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:

A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

This will be the special edition pair, right?

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Dogma4e said:

Do you still enjoy apologizing for Arnii Krooger?

I've come to the conclusion that everyone on RAO gets what they
deserve. And most of them are asking for it. However, I will add
that Arny has politely answered the one or two questions I have asked
that had anything to do with audio. You answered one yourself.

Yes, you have hit on what is perhaps Mr. ****'s only redeeming value:
Until somebody disagrees with him, corrects him, argues with him, or
otherwise impugns his "audio knowledge", he can pass for a sane human
being. Afterward, of course, the mask falls away and the awful truth
comes through in full, grotesque detail.

There was a guy who was just like that, who lived two doors down from us on
the opposite side of the street.
Nicest guy you'd want to meet, Naglie was his nickname, exterminating was
his profession.
But argue with him about the price of gas, or democrats, and he'd start on a
rant.

He murdered three people, then killed himself, or was killed by an unknown
assailant.

Robert Morein wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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trotsky wrote:


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.


Sure they do.

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml96/96105.html

Oh my bad. Better got UL to test your speakers, then

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.


"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"? It blows my mind that a
bunch of supposedly grown men sit around and talk trash in this manner.
And, of course, you Bob are the biggest hypocrite of them
all--although that's admittedly a long list. Dogging me with your Brian
McCarty like tactics--amazing. I suppose you're already getting your
just desserts because you're such a bad writer; misery loves company.
The only consolation I have is that even a whole newsgroup of beatoffs
and anonymice can't stand toe to toe with me. Oh, and that I've got an
excellent product and you don't. That's got to really burn you, eh Bob?


They've stood toe to toe and beat the living **** out of you. You're just
to stupid to know it.


Please explain in detail the precautions you took to prevent your
speakers from catching fire, Mickey.

Buh-bye!

Michael Mckelvy wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
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Dogma4e wrote:


Well, as ye sow, so shall ye reap. Right, Greg?



I agree with you, anonymouse. Everybody on the newsgroup should get
their chance to behave like trash, and nobody missed a turn. In one way
you're correct: this *is* about ego. I don't know why I feel compelled
to prove that I'm better than everybody else, but I certainly am here.


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahaha
yehehahohehehehhahoohahehohahahahahahahohahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
hohohohohohahaha.

All this time I thought it was an act, you really are an idiot without the
least bit of introspection.

Please do yourself a favor and and stick your finger in a light socket and
turn on the juice. Maybe some shock treatment will do you some good.


Hey, is the flammability factor the reason why you got out of the
business, Mickey? Why are you so bound and determined to illustrate how
stupid an asshole you really are?

George M. Middius wrote:

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:


When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.



How do you know? You have never heard any.


I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
the Mommy****er's twisted psyche.

Right, Bobo?



This must put you in quite a bind, Art. You try to say something that's
reasonable, and then George ****s all over your post by posting this
trash. When are guys going to realize it's time to give him his walking
papers?

Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
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Dogma4e wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:


trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:



A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.



And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab?


Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy

speakers?

Trotsky thinks his customers are "dumb ****ing *******s."

I'm disappointed that the core of your sales strategy is a deeply rooted
cynicism about audiophiles.


No doubt. And the screenplay business is full of people that are
genuine, right? When are you going to grow up, Bob? Being a perpetual
hypocrite is no way to live.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Dogma4e" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:40 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Dogma4e wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:


trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:



A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.



And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab?


Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy

speakers?

No. I say product liability underwriters look for it, as do owners of
companies that want some legal cover and some peace of mind against
causing some irrevocable damage.

And did I read that wrong, or did you just identify your target
customers as "dumb ****ing *******s"?


That's what I heard, and it explains a lot.


People "concerned" with the flammability of speakers are the dumb
****ing *******s, Bob. That includes you and the anonymouse.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message
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"trotsky" wrote in message
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Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.


"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"? It blows my mind that a
bunch of supposedly grown men sit around and talk trash in this manner.
And, of course, you Bob are the biggest hypocrite of them
all--although that's admittedly a long list. Dogging me with your Brian
McCarty like tactics--amazing. I suppose you're already getting your
just desserts because you're such a bad writer; misery loves company.
The only consolation I have is that even a whole newsgroup of beatoffs
and anonymice can't stand toe to toe with me. Oh, and that I've got an
excellent product and you don't. That's got to really burn you, eh Bob?


They've stood toe to toe and beat the living **** out of you. You're just
to stupid to know it.


That, of course, is why my conscience is clear.
If he should start to feel some hurt, we could credit ourselves for bringing
Trotsky out of his emotional coma.


Bob, are you now claiming Mickey's speakers blew up and burned people's
faces off? How much of a patsy are you trying to play the poor dumb
******* for?

Robert Morein wrote:
"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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Dogma4e wrote:


On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:18:38 -0400, George M. Middius
wrote:



Dogma4e said:

[snip]


Please don't encourage Mc****head.



It doesn't look like he needs much encouragement. Matter of fact, it
is pretty interesting to watch the dynamic of Jupiter Audio's
presentation here at RAO. If you look at the first few dozen posts in
the original "Here It Is" thread, the vast majority were encouraging
and even respectful of gerg's effort. If gerg had somehow undergone a
personality transplant, he probably could have gathered good
suggestions on how to market and improve his product,

Actually, many people, including myself gave him advice. He stuck his
head in the sand and refused to listen.


Second that.
Greg, don't use your cordless screwdriver around glued-in stuffing.
You might get your finger caught in the stuffing-cum-glue, and be forced to
think of a solution.


Bob, I turn out a damned good product. You, on the other hand, are
ashamed of yours. Who's hiding his head in the sand?

Again, being a chronic hypocrite is no way to live. Middius can attest
to that.

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:


When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.

How do you know? You have never heard any.

I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
the Mommy****er's twisted psyche.

Right, Bobo?


That would be part of it.

Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.

They might not sound too good either, note.




The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete report,
which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
either.


Is this accurate dave? Stephen?

For the record, Art, I think dave realized that they were something
special, but had a hard time communicating that fact. One indicator is
when he stopped "the Devil" dead in his tracks by telling him they were
better than Maggies that he'd heard.

Dogma4e wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:20:40 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Dogma4e wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:


trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:



A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

Your "input" has been trash from day one, Joe. At least you had one
moment of clarity when you admitted you were a troll.



And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab?


Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy speakers?


No. I say product liability underwriters look for it, as do owners of
companies that want some legal cover and some peace of mind against
causing some irrevocable damage.

And did I read that wrong, or did you just identify your target
customers as "dumb ****ing *******s"?


Of course you didn't, anonymouse. Those "concerned" (read: lying sacks
of cow dung) with the flammability of speakers are the dumb ****ing
*******s. You're an anonymouse, so you're probably not to good with the
English language--Bob Morion claims to be a professional writer, and has
no excuse.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote:


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.


I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.


Oh, they're razzing me? Who knew? So you're saying they're a bunch of
miserable, filthy, slimy trolls too? Mickey, did you hear what Joe
Oberlander just called you?

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
Dogma4e wrote:

And you call that a competent test of the flammability of your
speakers? For Christ's sake, why don't you pony up and bring a set
over to Underwriter's Lab? I think they're in your neck of the woods.
Take a schematic. They will overdrive them for several hours, measure
delta T, and if they don't blow up you will have a UL listing.
Probably cost you about $2,400, and they'll let you pay ove time.
They'll want to inspect your cough, cough... factory, but they've seen
worse.


Good point, actually. We all missed this. If I was selling speakers,
I'd get them tested.


Joe, don't you think the jig is up on the trolling?

dave weil wrote in
:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:

A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

This will be the special edition pair, right?



That shower of sparks is a relatively low temperature occurance. Try
placing a sheet of paper in the direct path sometime. You will be
surprised.

r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote:

Is it "straw man" or "straw mouse" in your case? Are you saying the
dumb ****ing *******s that I mentioned look for UL listings to buy
speakers?


I wouldn't buy anything electric powered like your subwoofer without
a UL sticker on it.


How do you think the amp section gets imported into this country without
a UL rating? Or are you just trolling?

Sockpuppet Yustabe wrote:
"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
ink.net...

trotsky wrote:


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

I said adhesive. Obviously, you are using it correctly.
Me? I've never heard of a speaker catching fire. The other
people are razzing you - because even Bose crud doesn't catch fire.



Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves, he has
brought it upon himself by his own unreasonable and impulsive behavior.


Did I miss something, Art? Are you giving a free pass that like to
"joke" about people ****ing their family members, dead or alive? Please
pull your foot out of your mouth this time.

Robert Morein wrote:
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message
...

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:


When I want misery, I'll just listen to a pair of Europas.

How do you know? You have never heard any.

I think he means he'd experience misery knowing somebody had actually
paid Gregipus some money for those grotesquely overpriced symbols of
the Mommy****er's twisted psyche.

Right, Bobo?


That would be part of it.

Another aspect would be the misery of being the only person who ever
actually purchased a pair, albeit through an intermediary.

They might not sound too good either, note.



The only information we have is second hand, i.e. Dave's incomplete

report,

which was not all that bad, but not indicating that they were gangbusters,
either.


So why would I want a set of mediocre speakers for $1300?


Do you agree with this, McElroy, or are you going to bust Morion for
being the lousy troll that he is.

George M. Middius wrote:

Sockpuppet Yustabe said:


Although the razzing of Trotsky is much more than he deserves


I believe you made a trotsky anti-reality error there. Should read:

"the razzing of Trotsky is exactly what he deserves"

No charge.


Like I said, Art, George is ****ting all over your posts.

dave weil wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:

trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.


This will be the special edition pair, right?


dave, I feel bad for you. You keep wanting to put your best foot
forward, and instead wind up sucking the dicks of trolls every time.

Robert Morein wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Dogma4e said:


Do you still enjoy apologizing for Arnii Krooger?

I've come to the conclusion that everyone on RAO gets what they
deserve. And most of them are asking for it. However, I will add
that Arny has politely answered the one or two questions I have asked
that had anything to do with audio. You answered one yourself.

Yes, you have hit on what is perhaps Mr. ****'s only redeeming value:
Until somebody disagrees with him, corrects him, argues with him, or
otherwise impugns his "audio knowledge", he can pass for a sane human
being. Afterward, of course, the mask falls away and the awful truth
comes through in full, grotesque detail.


There was a guy who was just like that, who lived two doors down from us on
the opposite side of the street.
Nicest guy you'd want to meet, Naglie was his nickname, exterminating was
his profession.
But argue with him about the price of gas, or democrats, and he'd start on a
rant.

He murdered three people, then killed himself, or was killed by an unknown
assailant.


Did killing the guy make good research for a screenplay?

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:22:43 GMT, trotsky wrote:

For the record, Art, I think dave realized that they were something
special, but had a hard time communicating that fact.

You're wrong, of course.

Just as you were wrong in saying that the review had already taken
three weeks before the process was ended.

Rich Andrews wrote:
dave weil wrote in
:


On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:39:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:



Joseph Oberlander wrote:

trotsky wrote:



Robert Morein wrote:


A very succinct summary.
It's the personality, not the speakers, which draws the fire.




"Draws fire?" What happened to "catches fire"?


Well, the adhesive you used on the stuffing *is* flammable.


You know, that's interesting: I was assembling a pair of speakers
yesterday, attempting to screw the crossover boards in place, when a
screw got tangled in the insulation and I couldn't get it out. I then
used my Dremel's cutting tool attachment to cut the head of the screw
off. It showered sparks for about 90 seconds continuously, and I
briefly wondered if one of you dumb ****ing *******s might've been
right, and something could catch fire. No, I'm afraid not.

This will be the special edition pair, right?




That shower of sparks is a relatively low temperature occurance. Try
placing a sheet of paper in the direct path sometime. You will be
surprised.


I would be surprised by the number of speakers with pieces of paper
stuck in side of them, yes.

dave weil wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:22:43 GMT, trotsky wrote:


For the record, Art, I think dave realized that they were something
special, but had a hard time communicating that fact.


You're wrong, of course.


Wrong about what, dave? If you say the speakers are better than 95%
percent of the speakers on the market, and people still say that you
didn't think that they were that good, you did a **** poor job of
communicating how good the speakers really are. A train wreck.


Just as you were wrong in saying that the review had already taken
three weeks before the process was ended.


Zzzz/

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:26:43 GMT, trotsky wrote:

Just as you were wrong in saying that the review had already taken
three weeks before the process was ended.


Zzzz/

Acknowlegement that you lied noted.

So don't trot out that saw that you trot out occasionally that you
nver lie.

Gregipus yearns to be a star.

He murdered three people, then killed himself, or was killed by an unknown
assailant.

Did killing the guy make good research for a screenplay?

Bobo, Gregipus is volunteering to continue the same line of research.