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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
I have a Yamaha CX-1000 preamp and I just acquired a used Yamaha CD player that has a digital output (CDX-710). The CX-1000 preamp has digital inputs on it. Even though this CD player sounds fine through the analog outputs, I wanted to hear what the digital output sounded like. I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? I am unfamiliar with making digital connections. Could I be using the wrong kind of cable? If there is a breakdown somewhere, what would be the most likely problem? I was always under the impression that digital, by definition, either works or it doesn't. But I have a situation where "half" of it works and the other "half" doesn't. The problem doesn't really bother me, since I am satisfied with using analog connections. But I am a bit puzzled about why I can't get both channels working when I try to use a digital connection. Thanks in advance for any assistance...... |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
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PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? Fault in the preamp, I'd wager. Do you have anything else with a digital output you could try? -- Adrian C |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"EADGBE" wrote in message ... I have a Yamaha CX-1000 preamp and I just acquired a used Yamaha CD player that has a digital output (CDX-710). The CX-1000 preamp has digital inputs on it. Even though this CD player sounds fine through the analog outputs, I wanted to hear what the digital output sounded like. I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? I am unfamiliar with making digital connections. Could I be using the wrong kind of cable? If there is a breakdown somewhere, what would be the most likely problem? I was always under the impression that digital, by definition, either works or it doesn't. But I have a situation where "half" of it works and the other "half" doesn't. You cannot lose "half " of a serial data stream. The problem must be in the preamp, somewhere between (and including) the D/A converter, and where its output joins the analogue circuitry. Gareth. |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Adrian C" wrote in message ... EADGBE wrote: PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? Fault in the preamp, I'd wager. Do you have anything else with a digital output you could try? -- Adrian C Agreed that you need to try something else as an input. Problem could be at either end in that both channels may not be making it into one data stream at the CD (unlikely) or (more likely) that the Yammy is either failing to decode the missing channel, or failing to switch it. Do you have only a coaxial digital connection ? Is there an optical one that you could try ? Either coaxial or optical, you are correct in your assumption that it should all "just work" as soon as you make that one connection. Arfa |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
This particular CD only has the coaxial output -- there is no optical output, although there are optical inputs on the preamp. I have an Audio Alchemy CD player that also has a coaxial output, but that player is not working at the moment. One other though occurred to me: I should try the CD player into some of the other digital inputs, just to see if maybe the CD input alone is at fault (not likely, I know). |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
EADGBE wrote:
I have a Yamaha CX-1000 preamp and I just acquired a used Yamaha CD player that has a digital output (CDX-710). The CX-1000 preamp has digital inputs on it. Even though this CD player sounds fine through the analog outputs, I wanted to hear what the digital output sounded like. I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"geoff" wrote in message ... EADGBE wrote: I have a Yamaha CX-1000 preamp and I just acquired a used Yamaha CD player that has a digital output (CDX-710). The CX-1000 preamp has digital inputs on it. Even though this CD player sounds fine through the analog outputs, I wanted to hear what the digital output sounded like. I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff So which is it holmes? The Sending Device of the Receiving Device? |
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The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Mike S" nospam wrote in message ... The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Gareth. |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
Gareth Magennis wrote:
"Mike S" nospam wrote in message ... The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Gareth. Depends on the internal architecture, but I have to agree it is highly unlikely. d |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Don Pearce" wrote in message et... Gareth Magennis wrote: "Mike S" nospam wrote in message ... The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Gareth. Depends on the internal architecture, but I have to agree it is highly unlikely. d I would say close to Zero. I'll bet nobody here can cite a case where this has actually happened. Gareth. |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message m... "Don Pearce" wrote in message et... Gareth Magennis wrote: "Mike S" nospam wrote in message ... The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Gareth. Depends on the internal architecture, but I have to agree it is highly unlikely. d I would say close to Zero. I'll bet nobody here can cite a case where this has actually happened. Gareth. It is very unlikely, I agree, but then in these days of extremely complex internal architecture of most LSIs, there isn't much in the way of 'stock faults' any more, and strange ones happen every few weeks in my experience. That being the case, none of us could cite a case of a peculiar fault, until it actually happened :-) Unlikely or not, there is the remote possibility that this could be the one for that fault ... I don't know if the PCM data stream coming off the disc is decoded and processed first, or whether it is directly transcoded into SPdif (or indeed, whether SPdif is just PCM under another name - I've never bothered to check because it's very rare to get *any* fault in this area). If there is any decoding going on, then just maybe, a channel *could* be lost. But yes, in practical terms, almost certainly a problem in the amp. Arfa |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
The Lady from Philadelphia sez...
Why are you arguing about such an unlikely event when the OP hasn't tested the unit with another digital source? |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
William Sommerwerck wrote:
The Lady from Philadelphia sez... Why are you arguing about such an unlikely event when the OP hasn't tested the unit with another digital source? Far too sensible an idea. How can we argue the sound of one hand clapping when someone says "try it and listen"? d |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
EADGBE wrote: I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. Obviously you should have used a Monster STEREO cable instead of the cheap model you bought. Graham |
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Mike S wrote: At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Don't tell the audiophools that ! Their entire religion will be destroyed. Graham |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
Gareth Magennis wrote: "Mike S" nospam wrote The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Failure to sync to the second block of audio data ? Bad clocks ? Graham |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
EADGBE wrote: I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. Try using a cheap one. Graham |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
Arfa Daily wrote: or indeed, whether SPdif is just PCM You mean I2S. under another name It is. Both are linear PCM. Simply mildly different data stream formatting. Graham |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message om... "Mike S" nospam wrote in message ... The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Yes. In the digital output the left and right channels are combined into one digital stream, then sent over the coax cable to the receiver/preamp where they arer separated into the two analog channels. The problem here is in one of those stages. Either one of the channels is being lost before it is encoded into that digital stream to be sent out of the CD player, or a perfect digital stream is being sent to the preamp and sometime after it is decoded into the two seperate channels, one channel is lost due to a faulty component or a bad solder joint, loose connection, etc. |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
I have received a couple of comments here that my cable choice could
be the problem. Is it actually possible that a cheaper cable could solve the problem? And here is a question that will really show my level of ignorance when it comes to digital audio formats: Is it possible that I am using the wrong kind of digital cable? The digital output of the CD player and the digital input on the preamp are both RCA type jacks. I simply thought that using a digital coaxial cable with RCA plugs on both ends would be appropriate. Am I wrong? Is there another type of cable I should use that will fit? |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"EADGBE" wrote...
I have received a couple of comments here that my cable choice could be the problem. Is it actually possible that a cheaper cable could solve the problem? NO they are joking. Since the same cable carries both the left and right channels it is impossible that a passive device such as a cable could reliably distingusih between the left channel data and the right channel data in the stream. And here is a question that will really show my level of ignorance when it comes to digital audio formats: Is it possible that I am using the wrong kind of digital cable? NO. It either works or it doesn't. It is as simple as that. People might argue that if you use really poor cable it might introduce such digital artifacts as "jitter". But there is no amount of arm-waving that can explain how it could affect only one channel of the interleaved data. The digital output of the CD player and the digital input on the preamp are both RCA type jacks. I simply thought that using a digital coaxial cable with RCA plugs on both ends would be appropriate. Am I wrong? Is there another type of cable I should use that will fit? It is NOT the cable. Ignore the frivolity and go back to doing a proper differential diagnosis with the source and destination equipment. |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
"EADGBE" wrote... I have received a couple of comments here that my cable choice could be the problem. Is it actually possible that a cheaper cable could solve the problem? NO they are joking. Since the same cable carries both the left and right channels it is impossible that a passive device such as a cable could reliably distingusih between the left channel data and the right channel data in the stream. And here is a question that will really show my level of ignorance when it comes to digital audio formats: Is it possible that I am using the wrong kind of digital cable? NO. It either works or it doesn't. It is as simple as that. People might argue that if you use really poor cable it might introduce such digital artifacts as "jitter". But there is no amount of arm-waving that can explain how it could affect only one channel of the interleaved data. The digital output of the CD player and the digital input on the preamp are both RCA type jacks. I simply thought that using a digital coaxial cable with RCA plugs on both ends would be appropriate. Am I wrong? Is there another type of cable I should use that will fit? It is NOT the cable. Ignore the frivolity and go back to doing a proper differential diagnosis with the source and destination equipment. Note further that SPDIF has been demonstrated to work properly using a wet string (literally). There is NOTHING magic about the cable. Despite what Monster and the other rip-off cable shysters may try to say otherwise. |
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EADGBE wrote:
I have received a couple of comments here that my cable choice could be the problem. Is it actually possible that a cheaper cable could solve the problem? Nope. Absolutely not. Have you got some other digital audio source to check this problem yet. DVD player? -- Adrian C |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message . .. The Lady from Philadelphia sez... Why are you arguing about such an unlikely event when the OP hasn't tested the unit with another digital source? Why ! - that's what makes life interesting, of course ... :-) Arfa |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Kendra Weissbein" wrote in message ... "geoff" wrote in message ... EADGBE wrote: I have a Yamaha CX-1000 preamp and I just acquired a used Yamaha CD player that has a digital output (CDX-710). The CX-1000 preamp has digital inputs on it. Even though this CD player sounds fine through the analog outputs, I wanted to hear what the digital output sounded like. I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff So which is it holmes? The Sending Device of the Receiving Device? The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed, or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. It might be something as simple as a configuration problem (one of the devices is set to 'mono'). To diagnose a fault, use a protocol analyzer, or a process of elimination by substituting components until you get something that works. |
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The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed...
There is no such thing, in consumer products, as a mono SPDIF feed. Indeed, one of the design errors of the Compact Disc is the failure to include a mono mode that would double disk capacity for pre-stereo recordings. or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. Which makes no sense, as it's hard-wired to divvy up the signal into left and right. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote ...
The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed... There is no such thing, in consumer products, as a mono SPDIF feed. Indeed, one of the design errors of the Compact Disc is the failure to include a mono mode that would double disk capacity for pre-stereo recordings. or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. Which makes no sense, as it's hard-wired to divvy up the signal into left and right. My money is on the receiver signal path beyond the decoder. There are lots of places for just one channel to get lost. |
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My money is on the receiver signal path beyond the decoder.
There are lots of places for just one channel to get lost. Which is what's happening. It just isn't happening in the original digital stream. |
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
Unlikely or not, there is the remote possibility that this could be the one for that fault ... I don't know if the PCM data stream coming off the disc is decoded and processed first, The data comes off the CD disc with the data interleaved. Physical data blocks are 2352 bytes each, of which 2048 bytes are audio data. The 2048 bytes make up 1024 16 bit samples, 512 for each channel. The remaining data is for error checking and correction. or whether it is directly transcoded into SPdif (or indeed, whether SPdif is just PCM under another name - I've never bothered to check because it's very rare to get *any* fault in this area). If there is any decoding going on, then just maybe, a channel *could* be lost. Most consumer audio gear and a lot of professional gear use DAC chips with either 2 channels or pairs of channels. In either case the input data stream for each pair of DACs have the data for the 2 channels interleaved. |
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"Eeyore" wrote in
message Gareth Magennis wrote: "Mike S" nospam wrote The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Seems completely impossible, because the data for the 2 channels are always interleaved. Each physical data block is composed of 1024 audio samples, 512 for each channel, and a separate block of data for error detection and correction. Typically, the channel data is never de-interleaved. Failure to sync to the second block of audio data ? Bad clocks ? Either situation will result in no audio data being recovered, just noise. |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Eeyore" wrote in message Gareth Magennis wrote: "Mike S" nospam wrote The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. That narrows down the possibilities! At least he knows it's not the cable (obviously) Could someone please explain how it could be possible to lose one channel of the digital stream out of the CD player, considering that the CD's audio output is perfectly OK. Seems completely impossible, because the data for the 2 channels are always interleaved. Each physical data block is composed of 1024 audio samples, 512 for each channel, and a separate block of data for error detection and correction. Typically, the channel data is never de-interleaved. Failure to sync to the second block of audio data ? Bad clocks ? Either situation will result in no audio data being recovered, just noise. Phew, after all that speculation we finally got some technical insight. Thanks. |
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"Gareth Magennis" wrote ...
Phew, after all that speculation we finally got some technical insight. Didn't realize anyone was suffering from the delusion of any other cause. |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"Chronic Philharmonic" wrote in message news:PDrek.137$6O4.0@trnddc06... "Kendra Weissbein" wrote in message ... "geoff" wrote in message ... EADGBE wrote: I have a Yamaha CX-1000 preamp and I just acquired a used Yamaha CD player that has a digital output (CDX-710). The CX-1000 preamp has digital inputs on it. Even though this CD player sounds fine through the analog outputs, I wanted to hear what the digital output sounded like. I used a Monster Cable Datalink SP/DIF cable I had lying around to connect the two. PROBLEM: I get perfect audio through the left channel, but nothing at all in the right channel. Needless to say, the CD player sounds great in BOTH left & right channels when I use its analog outputs. What could the problem be? The problem is a fault in the sending device, or the receiving device. geoff So which is it holmes? The Sending Device of the Receiving Device? The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed, or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. It might be something as simple as a configuration problem (one of the devices is set to 'mono'). To diagnose a fault, use a protocol analyzer, or a process of elimination by substituting components until you get something that works. Even if it were, that would not result in the loss of one physical channel's reproduction from the amp. What you would have is both left and right channels combined into one single mono channel, which would then be identically coded onto both left and right channels, within the single SP/dif data stream. So you would get two channels physically reproduced, but each containing the same mono audio. Arfa |
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"Arfa Daily" wrote ...
"Chronic Philharmonic" wrote ... The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed, or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. It might be something as simple as a configuration problem (one of the devices is set to 'mono'). To diagnose a fault, use a protocol analyzer, or a process of elimination by substituting components until you get something that works. Even if it were, that would not result in the loss of one physical channel's reproduction from the amp. What you would have is both left and right channels combined into one single mono channel, which would then be identically coded onto both left and right channels, within the single SP/dif data stream. So you would get two channels physically reproduced, but each containing the same mono audio. But only a fantasy academic discussion as there is no monaural mode defined for SPDIF. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in
message news My money is on the receiver signal path beyond the decoder. There are lots of places for just one channel to get lost. Which is what's happening. It just isn't happening in the original digital stream. Agreed. Since most home audio gear has DACs that are either 2-channel, or a number of channel pairs, it is highly probable that *any* signal in the digital domain has both channels present. An exception would be something like a DSP that is running code to implement a balance control or channel level control. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message . .. The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed... There is no such thing, in consumer products, as a mono SPDIF feed. Indeed, one of the design errors of the Compact Disc is the failure to include a mono mode that would double disk capacity for pre-stereo recordings. Right, I was thinking AES3. or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. Which makes no sense, as it's hard-wired to divvy up the signal into left and right. Right, I was thinking AES3. |
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"Richard Crowley" wrote in message . .. "Arfa Daily" wrote ... "Chronic Philharmonic" wrote ... The sending device might be coding the datastream as a mono feed, or the receiving device is failing to decode the datastream as a stereo feed. It might be something as simple as a configuration problem (one of the devices is set to 'mono'). To diagnose a fault, use a protocol analyzer, or a process of elimination by substituting components until you get something that works. Even if it were, that would not result in the loss of one physical channel's reproduction from the amp. What you would have is both left and right channels combined into one single mono channel, which would then be identically coded onto both left and right channels, within the single SP/dif data stream. So you would get two channels physically reproduced, but each containing the same mono audio. But only a fantasy academic discussion as there is no monaural mode defined for SPDIF. Probably true enough, but the occasional flight into academic fantasy does no harm, and keeps the old grey cells firing ... d;~} Arfa |
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OK, I remembered that one of my other CD players--a Magnavox CDB650-- also has a digital output. I patched it into the Yamaha preamp and got the same results--no right channel sound. I also tried another cable (dumb, I know--I'm still thinking "analog"!) and got the same results. I also tried using another one of the preamp's digital inputs and got the same results. So I can safely say that the fault lies somewhere inside the preamp. Time to get out the hammer and duct tape...... |
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PROBLEM: CD Player Digital Output
"EADGBE" wrote in message ... OK, I remembered that one of my other CD players--a Magnavox CDB650-- also has a digital output. I patched it into the Yamaha preamp and got the same results--no right channel sound. I also tried another cable (dumb, I know--I'm still thinking "analog"!) and got the same results. I also tried using another one of the preamp's digital inputs and got the same results. So I can safely say that the fault lies somewhere inside the preamp. Time to get out the hammer and duct tape...... Far be it from me to say I told you so, so I won't. Actually your original instincts were right. Digital either works or it doesn't. Gareth. |
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