[ChrisCoaster]

.. . Whilst searching for reviews on other makes and models. Visited
their website(boss is div of Roland), and was impressesd as much with
their straightfwd description of their rh-200 and rh-300 headphones
and was wondering If they pose a challenge to such industry stalwarts
as Sony, Sennheiser and Beyer. Anyone here ever strap them on?

[ChrisCoaster]

On Oct 2, 10:01*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
. . Whilst searching for reviews on other makes and models. Visited
their website(boss is div of Roland), and was impressesd as much with
their straightfwd description of their rh-200 and rh-300 headphones
and was wondering If they pose a challenge to such industry stalwarts
as Sony, Sennheiser and Beyer. Anyone here ever strap them on?
----—
I never ever saw so few reviews for a headphone mfgd by a respected
provider of products for both the live sound and recording
industries! There are probably two explanations for this: Either 1 -
the headphones are crap, or 2 - they are targeted at a very specific
client segment. In any case, who can dispute products mfgd for
engineers & musicians??

[ChrisCoaster]

On Oct 3, 6:51*am, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:01*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: . . Whilst searching for reviews on other makes and models. Visited
their website(boss is div of Roland), and was impressesd as much with
their straightfwd description of their rh-200 and rh-300 headphones
and was wondering If they pose a challenge to such industry stalwarts
as Sony, Sennheiser and Beyer. Anyone here ever strap them on?

----—
I never ever saw so few reviews for a headphone mfgd by a respected
provider of products for both the live sound and recording
industries! *There are probably two explanations for this: Either 1 -
the headphones are crap, or 2 - they are targeted at a very specific
client segment. In any case, who can dispute products mfgd for
engineers & musicians??
___________________

Oh, in case you were wondering, NO, I do not work for Roland, so this
is not a sales pitch.

-CC

[geoff]

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 3, 6:51 am, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:01 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: . .
Whilst searching for reviews on other makes and models. Visited
their website(boss is div of Roland), and was impressesd as much
with their straightfwd description of their rh-200 and rh-300
headphones and was wondering If they pose a challenge to such
industry stalwarts as Sony, Sennheiser and Beyer. Anyone here ever
strap them on?

----—
I never ever saw so few reviews for a headphone mfgd by a respected
provider of products for both the live sound and recording
industries! There are probably two explanations for this: Either 1 -
the headphones are crap, or 2 - they are targeted at a very specific
client segment. In any case, who can dispute products mfgd for
engineers & musicians??
___________________

Oh, in case you were wondering, NO, I do not work for Roland, so this
is not a sales pitch.


I wonder whicvh major headphone manufacturer actually made them ? Many are
actually made for other companies by AT....

geoff

[ChrisCoaster]

On Oct 3, 3:35*pm, "geoff" wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 3, 6:51 am, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:01 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: . .
Whilst searching for reviews on other makes and models. Visited
their website(boss is div of Roland), and was impressesd as much
with their straightfwd description of their rh-200 and rh-300
headphones and was wondering If they pose a challenge to such
industry stalwarts as Sony, Sennheiser and Beyer. Anyone here ever
strap them on?

----
I never ever saw so few reviews for a headphone mfgd by a respected
provider of products for both the live sound and recording
industries! There are probably two explanations for this: Either 1 -
the headphones are crap, or 2 - they are targeted at a very specific
client segment. In any case, who can dispute products mfgd for
engineers & musicians??
___________________

Oh, in case you were wondering, NO, I do not work for Roland, so this
is not a sales pitch.

I wonder whicvh major headphone manufacturer actually made them ? *Many are
actually made for other companies by AT....

geoff
________
That does not explain their flat frequency response. Go on google
image and keyword rh-300 and frequency response and you'll see what I
mean! only a tiny trough around 7k but otherwise ruler flat.

-CCoaster

[Andrew Haley]

ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:35?pm, "geoff" wrote:
ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 3, 6:51 am, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:01 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: . .
Whilst searching for reviews on other makes and models. Visited
their website(boss is div of Roland), and was impressesd as much
with their straightfwd description of their rh-200 and rh-300
headphones and was wondering If they pose a challenge to such
industry stalwarts as Sony, Sennheiser and Beyer. Anyone here ever
strap them on?

----
I never ever saw so few reviews for a headphone mfgd by a respected
provider of products for both the live sound and recording
industries! There are probably two explanations for this: Either 1 -
the headphones are crap, or 2 - they are targeted at a very specific
client segment. In any case, who can dispute products mfgd for
engineers & musicians??
___________________

Oh, in case you were wondering, NO, I do not work for Roland, so this
is not a sales pitch.

I wonder whicvh major headphone manufacturer actually made them ? ?Many are
actually made for other companies by AT....

geoff
________
That does not explain their flat frequency response. Go on google
image and keyword rh-300 and frequency response and you'll see what I
mean! only a tiny trough around 7k but otherwise ruler flat.

That doesn't necessarily help. See
http://www.stereophile.com/features/808head

Andrew.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"ChrisCoaster" wrote in message
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On Oct 3, 3:35 pm, "geoff" wrote:

ChrisCoaster wrote:

I wonder whicvh major headphone manufacturer actually made them ? Many
are
actually made for other companies by AT....

Probably made by somone in China who was cloning some well-known
manufacturer's product, more or less. The most remarkable spec I see is the
use of relatively large 45 mm drivers in a set of headphones at this price
point. You can easily pay 3 times as much for 45 mm drivers. However, the
FR curve admits that they roll off the bass, so at least that benefit of
large drivers is not being fully delivered. So, the myth of driver response
versus low end extension has been carried over from regular speakers.

At this price point, if you are really interested, just buy a pair and see
how they work. If they are not excruciatingly horrible you can at least use
them to repair equipment. If you really like them then you can use them for
your more critical work.

That does not explain their flat frequency response. Go on google
image and keyword rh-300 and frequency response and you'll see what I
mean! only a tiny trough around 7k but otherwise ruler flat.

The actual frequency response of headphones and the desired frequency
response of headphones varies from listener to listener. Headphone FR is
nothing as simple as our usual desire for flat frequency response in
amplifiers and consoles (with their eq controls set flat).

The microphone coupling device that is typically used for measuring is
probably not that far out of the ballpark, but in fact its leading charm is
that it is standardized. IOW, it makes no special attempt to duplicate
actual use. It does not include a good simulation of pinnae, HRTF, or ear
canal effects. IOW, it does not try to duplicate the acoustics of the
pinnae and the ear canal that every headphone has to work with.

We also know that actual use varies from person to person because the pinnae
and the ear canal varies tremendously from person to person. There are
psychological and perceptual effects on top of the simple mechanics. For
example some people are tremendously put off by the imaging of headphones
and earphones, and other people are fine with it.

[Dick Pierce[_2_]]

ChrisCoaster wrote:
That does not explain their flat frequency response. Go on google
image and keyword rh-300 and frequency response and you'll see what I
mean! only a tiny trough around 7k but otherwise ruler flat.

Flat frequency response? Methinks someone may need their eyes
checked.

With the amount of enthusiasm heaped on this headphone in this
thread, my curiosity was piqued so I went and looked at the
frequency response graphs. Replotting that same data on a more
normal vertical scale (not the compressed 80 dB scale shown)
reveals that, in fact, not only is the reponse not "flat",
it's also on the mediocre side of normal for headphones. And
that "tiny trough around 7k?" Well, on the graph you reference,
that tiny trough (which is actually at about 5600 Hz), is some
19 dB below the level at 1 kHz.

Overall, the 20-20kHz response envelope is a very UNimpressive
+-15 dB. Even over a more restrictive range like 100-10kHz,
it's still +-12 dB.

Ho hum.

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