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Laurence Payne wrote: On 29 Jan 2006 20:45:22 -0800, wrote: engineering is a waste of time, and designing a good sounding amplifier is simply a mystic art (or an accident). And yet companies like YBA perform this mystic art on a regular basis.... Are you SURE he doesn't just take a competent design then look at every component with the agenda: "Now, could this possibly be done in a more expensive way?" There's a willing market. Are you SURE you didn't leave your brains stuck in your asshole this morning? Either prove your claim or shut the **** up. Supposedly, you audio zealots consider yourselves "men of science", all practical and ****.... not a one of you ever proved ****, out of the 1,000 claims I've read in this thread. NOT ONE. All any of you has ever done is ask me to prove YOUR arguments. It is to laugh. |
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In article .com, wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote: On 29 Jan 2006 20:45:22 -0800, wrote: engineering is a waste of time, and designing a good sounding amplifier is simply a mystic art (or an accident). And yet companies like YBA perform this mystic art on a regular basis.... Are you SURE he doesn't just take a competent design then look at every component with the agenda: "Now, could this possibly be done in a more expensive way?" There's a willing market. Are you SURE you didn't leave your brains stuck in your asshole this morning? Either prove your claim or shut the **** up. Supposedly, you audio zealots consider yourselves "men of science", all practical and ****.... not a one of you ever proved ****, out of the 1,000 claims I've read in this thread. NOT ONE. All any of you has ever done is ask me to prove YOUR arguments. It is to laugh. You seemed to do weird things in you experiment with fuses. You gave a bunch of strange devices to impliment a test. You could have done the obvious first. Keep incrasing fuse amperage and give the steps of change. With your senses, perhaps you could hear the difference with each doubling of the fuse rating. Then, you could have given the sound of different fuse companies. I wonder how long have you had the Hitachi preamp. I have to clean mine out every few years. I clean the switches and pots on my dear HCA-8300. The unit should be far more susceptable on sound quality by cleaning than just changing fusing. I also changed out some caps way back when. Minor Pooge. If you monkey with any old equipment, it's liable to sound different just by banging on it. greg |
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GregS wrote: In article .com, wrote: You seemed to do weird things in you experiment with fuses. "Weird" is a term used for things you don't understand. With audio techies, it helps them to alienate things they don't understand using such terms, rather than make attempts to understand them. Once you understand, at the very least, that fuse experiments yield audible effects (including removing the fuse altogether), experimenting with fuses becomes as ordinary ("unweird") as experimenting with high quality caps or transformers, or whatever it is that you do "believe in". Consider this: a regular contributor to this group emailed me to let me know he did similar experiments and found that the sound of his equipment did improve when the fuses were taken out (but in his case, later decided he preferred the original sound). He did this before I ever did my experiments. I haven't taken a survey, but I'm sure we "fuse experimenters" are part of a very small minority of the audio community. But if we weren't, you wouldn't be using the term "weird" in your approach to the subject. You gave a bunch of strange devices to impliment a test. For "strange", see my explanation of "weird" above... You could have done the obvious first. Keep incrasing fuse amperage and give the steps of change. With your senses, perhaps you could hear the difference with each doubling of the fuse rating. That's only "obvious" to you. What is "obvious" differs with different people. I'm not even sure I understand why that is "obvious" to you.... more amperage = more current passing, less current restriction = improved sound? The reason simply removing the fuse was "obvious" to me is because, as I explained before, I believe in a minimalist approach to audio - and that most, if not all things in the current or signal path, can degrade the output. As for my "senses", while my listening skills are great, I don't believe that most people would have trouble hearing the differences between an amp with fuses and one in which the fuse has been removed and replaced by an alternative, such as silver solder wire. Audio techies are a different matter, since they have a particular "religion" they must adhere to: if you explain what the DUT is before or during the trial, their minds will have been made up that no differences can be perceived..... .....When I see that there are still true audio retards living today, like Arnold Krueger, who pretend to be audio experts and will with a straight face tell you that there can not be differences between something as grossly evident as audio amplifiers, then you know that no one like this is ever going to "hear" anything they don't "believe exists". Then, you could have given the sound of different fuse companies. True, I could have done a lot of different experiments on the fuse to see what made a difference, and what differences it made; including trying out fuses from different companies (btw, if you read my posts in this thread, I did initially experiment with substituing the original fuse with one that had a higher rating). Maybe I will pursue it further in the future, since removing the fuse is not that viable an option. But the point is, so could you. People like you are the ones that doubt any of this matters, I already know that it does. So it makes more sense if you carry out such experiments. I wonder how long have you had the Hitachi preamp. I have to clean mine out every few years. I clean the switches and pots on my dear HCA-8300. The unit should be far more susceptable on sound quality by cleaning than just changing fusing. I also changed out some caps way back when. Minor Pooge. You have the same preamp?? God, I hope its not in your main system! I HATE the sound of this preamp! That's one thing that initially prompted me to tweak it: It did sound better in many ways than the old Technics SA-80 amp, and I was hoping to replace the preamp section of the Technics with this Hitachi. ("Better" here means it had much deeper bass, a wider soundstage, more clarity, more extended highs, and enough controls to make an airplane cockpit jealous with which you can further tweak the sound). However, it was a very unmusical machine, less so than the Technics. And it had a very annoying tizziness to the highs which I couldn't get rid of, no matter that I tweaked it a hundred different ways (including the fuse tweak). In fact, I've already put it beside the door in preparation to be chucked in the garbage. The preamp is also very noisy, as yours was (and the innards stunk to high heaven from smoke, from the previous owners). I did clean the switches and pots with good quality high pressure spray type contact cleaner/enhancer. This did little to improve the noise and problems created by dirty switches. Most of the inputs could not even be used, because of this aging. Sure you could always improve the sound in one area (ie. cleaning), but that doesn't mean because you can, you shouldn't try to improve it in other areas (ie. tweaking). One doesn't cancel out the other. If you monkey with any old equipment, it's liable to sound different just by banging on it. With this old equipment, it sounded different just by turning the balance knob. But with all knobs in place, it sounded pretty much the same from one power on to the next to the next... so I was still able to glean meaningful results from the fuse experiment tests, regardless of the amps condition. |
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wrote: GregS wrote: In article .com, wrote: You seemed to do weird things in you experiment with fuses. "Weird" is a term used for things you don't understand. With audio techies, it helps them to alienate things they don't understand using such terms, rather than make attempts to understand them. Once you understand, at the very least, that fuse experiments yield audible effects (including removing the fuse altogether), experimenting with fuses becomes as ordinary ("unweird") as experimenting with high quality caps or transformers, or whatever it is that you do "believe in". Consider this: a regular contributor to this group emailed me to let me know he did similar experiments and found that the sound of his equipment did improve when the fuses were taken out (but in his case, later decided he preferred the original sound). He did this before I ever did my experiments. I haven't taken a survey, but I'm sure we "fuse experimenters" are part of a very small minority of the audio community. But if we weren't, you wouldn't be using the term "weird" in your approach to the subject. You gave a bunch of strange devices to impliment a test. For "strange", see my explanation of "weird" above... You could have done the obvious first. Keep incrasing fuse amperage and give the steps of change. With your senses, perhaps you could hear the difference with each doubling of the fuse rating. That's only "obvious" to you. What is "obvious" differs with different people. I'm not even sure I understand why that is "obvious" to you.... more amperage = more current passing, less current restriction = improved sound? The reason simply removing the fuse was "obvious" to me is because, as I explained before, I believe in a minimalist approach to audio - and that most, if not all things in the current or signal path, can degrade the output. As for my "senses", while my listening skills are great, I don't believe that most people would have trouble hearing the differences between an amp with fuses and one in which the fuse has been removed and replaced by an alternative, such as silver solder wire. Audio techies are a different matter, since they have a particular "religion" they must adhere to: if you explain what the DUT is before or during the trial, their minds will have been made up that no differences can be perceived..... ....When I see that there are still true audio retards living today, like Arnold Krueger, who pretend to be audio experts and will with a straight face tell you that there can not be differences between something as grossly evident as audio amplifiers, then you know that no one like this is ever going to "hear" anything they don't "believe exists". Then, you could have given the sound of different fuse companies. True, I could have done a lot of different experiments on the fuse to see what made a difference, and what differences it made; including trying out fuses from different companies (btw, if you read my posts in this thread, I did initially experiment with substituing the original fuse with one that had a higher rating). Maybe I will pursue it further in the future, since removing the fuse is not that viable an option. But the point is, so could you. People like you are the ones that doubt any of this matters, I already know that it does. So it makes more sense if you carry out such experiments. I wonder how long have you had the Hitachi preamp. I have to clean mine out every few years. I clean the switches and pots on my dear HCA-8300. The unit should be far more susceptable on sound quality by cleaning than just changing fusing. I also changed out some caps way back when. Minor Pooge. You have the same preamp?? God, I hope its not in your main system! I HATE the sound of this preamp! That's one thing that initially prompted me to tweak it: It did sound better in many ways than the old Technics SA-80 amp, and I was hoping to replace the preamp section of the Technics with this Hitachi. ("Better" here means it had much deeper bass, a wider soundstage, more clarity, more extended highs, and enough controls to make an airplane cockpit jealous with which you can further tweak the sound). However, it was a very unmusical machine, less so than the Technics. And it had a very annoying tizziness to the highs which I couldn't get rid of, no matter that I tweaked it a hundred different ways (including the fuse tweak). In fact, I've already put it beside the door in preparation to be chucked in the garbage. The preamp is also very noisy, as yours was (and the innards stunk to high heaven from smoke, from the previous owners). I did clean the switches and pots with good quality high pressure spray type contact cleaner/enhancer. This did little to improve the noise and problems created by dirty switches. Most of the inputs could not even be used, because of this aging. Sure you could always improve the sound in one area (ie. cleaning), but that doesn't mean because you can, you shouldn't try to improve it in other areas (ie. tweaking). One doesn't cancel out the other. If you monkey with any old equipment, it's liable to sound different just by banging on it. With this old equipment, it sounded different just by turning the balance knob. But with all knobs in place, it sounded pretty much the same from one power on to the next to the next... so I was still able to glean meaningful results from the fuse experiment tests, regardless of the amps condition. I went back review your original post. Your questions have been answered, not that you liked the content. Your generalistic observations questioned, since you didn't have a methodology, other than anecdotally quantifying the results. Techie humor would have been putting black shoe polish on your headphone muffs. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Karl Uppiano wrote: What a sad state this thread has degenerated to. Nothing but ad-hominem attacks and insults. WTF are you talking about "degenerated to"? I was attacked with ad hominem insults from the very beginning, and not a single RATter ever proved a single argument against me. Well, the shrillness (not in the audio sense) definitely escalates as you read down the thread. As for how the line fuse will affect the sound, my electronic design experience suggests that nothing in the primary circuit (within reason) should have any perceptible effect on the sound if the power supply is properly designed and is adequate to the task. The "within reason" part refers to blackouts, brownouts, defective switches, defective fuses and the like. "Should"... techie translation for "does". The entire goal of science and engineering is to characterize and model a phenomenon with a rational explanation and then use the model to predict the future, i.e., to create repeatable designs with minimal tweaking and high reliability and stability. I say "should" because it's a prediction in the sense that I would be surprised if it "shouldn't". In order to accept the premise that a line fuse would have a perceptible effect on the audio, I need a physical model that explains why that is. Without that, it is just a hypothesis. We might be able to rule out anectotal reports with double-blind testing. If the phenomenon is thus proven to be repeatable, then the next task is to provide an explanation, a model, so that we can understand what is happening. Getting at the truth is an arduous, iterative, rigorous process. It takes a lot of work to prove (by you, the proponent of the effect) or to disprove (by the detractors of the effect). Just yelling "yes it does", "no it doesn't", doesn't cut it. Fuses in the audio path have been known to cause trouble, and are generally to be avoided. I have seen some amplifier designs with speaker fuses inside the feedback loop so that the amplifier will compensate for any nonlinearities or losses in the fuse itself. I designed an amplifier like that once for a custom application. Beyond that, we can all put on our foil hats and say that there is no scientific explanation for the phenomenon -- it just "is". However, if we can't characterize it, then engineering is a waste of time, and designing a good sounding amplifier is simply a mystic art (or an accident). And yet companies like YBA perform this mystic art on a regular basis.... Well, if they consistently and provably produce superior results, they must have a model. Or, they stumbled on a successful formula by accident or some other non-scientific methodology and just keep repeating the same steps by rote, without understanding what it is they are doing - look out if they ever want to change a feature! Engineering, experience and understanding simply streamlines the process, and makes it more predictable. Engineering is also all about compromise. Even if it could be proven that line fuses do hurt the audio, the decision has to be made whether the trade-off is worth it to include the fuse for safety reasons. |
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Karl Uppiano wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Karl Uppiano wrote: "Should"... techie translation for "does". The entire goal of science and engineering is to characterize and model a phenomenon with a rational explanation and then use the model to predict the future, i.e., to create repeatable designs with minimal tweaking and high reliability and stability. Why do you suppose that's relevant to this discussion? After 125 attacks in this thread, I haven't seen a SINGLE RAT member gather up enough scientific curiousity to perform the experiments in question; in order to characerize and model the phenomenon. Instead, all I got was dumbass presumptions based on misguided half-assed theories about how none of this could possibly work. When scientists and engineers are afraid to find "rational explanations" where their colleagues don't, you can't stand behind the image of "scientists and engineers" and claim they're the holders of the truth - until proven otherwise. I say "should" because it's a prediction in the sense that I would be surprised if it "shouldn't". In order to accept the premise that a line fuse would have a perceptible effect on the audio, I need a physical model that explains why that is. No you don't; you simply need the physical model; which is the alternate fuse, in this case. Then you run tests on that model. Couldn't be simpler. Where are your test results? Don't tell me you need to know "why something is", in order to accept that it exists. We don't know how the universe came into being, but the fact you exist, assuming you do, means the universe and all we do know that it comprises of, does exist. Without that, it is just a hypothesis. We might be able to rule out anectotal reports with double-blind testing. Then do the DBTs on alternate fuses, if that's your bag. But note that I, and many other advanced audiohiles in the audio community, don't beleive in DBTs. They'll tell you NOTHING, except that its very hard to ever get a positive result with audio DBTs (there are complex neurological reasons for the failure of the DBT test in audio that DBT zealots don't understand and don't want to understand....). If the phenomenon is thus proven to be repeatable, then the next task is to provide an explanation, a model, so that we can understand what is happening. Although its only been a few days since the fuse tests, I'm FAR beyond that these days, and whiel you're still grappling with the simple notion of whether fuses have an impact on sound quality, I.m currently testing audio phenomenon that makes your little fuse controversy look like a "are there differences in speakers" controversy. I can tell you the phenomenon I've been testing recently has proven to be repeatable to me. But if you start asking me to provide an explanation..... well, theres no way no how I could ever begin to imagine ever doing that. I don't think anyone on earth understands what is happening behind these ideas. So does that make these tweaks useless? Don't be ridiculous! They are just as valable whether you understand them or not, whether you use them or not. Getting at the truth is an arduous, iterative, rigorous process. Only if you see it as something to battle. It takes a lot of work to prove (by you, the proponent of the effect) or to disprove (by the detractors of the effect). Just yelling "yes it does", "no it doesn't", doesn't cut it. I don't think you get it... I don't have anything to "prove" to anybody. I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince a group of infamously narrow-minded hobbyists to believe what they are already predisposed to not believe. If anyone here has a sincere curiousity about the fuse tweak, or any other I mentioned, then its up to you to do your own experiments. And determine what value it has for yourself. That is ALL you can do. Well, if they consistently and provably produce superior results, they must have a model. Or, they stumbled on a successful formula by accident or some other non-scientific methodology and just keep repeating the same steps by rote, without understanding what it is they are doing - look out if they ever want to change a feature! Let's just say for the sake of argument, that André, like the infamous loud-mouthed know-nothing troll known as Arny Krueger, has no idea why his adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup works. He just knows it does. I don't see what there is to change. If it works, it works. That means he can repeat it in 10,000 products, it will still work. Engineering, experience and understanding simply streamlines the process, and makes it more predictable. Certainly engineering is the cornerstone of building audio products. But you get too caught up in understanding processes you may not be ready to understand, and what you do is limit yourself to what is already known and predictable. I`m sorry, but that makes for mediocre audio equipment. Which describes most audio products. There are few true innovators in the field. As many will say, YBA is certainly one of them. Engineering is also all about compromise. Even if it could be proven that line fuses do hurt the audio, the decision has to be made whether the trade-off is worth it to include the fuse for safety reasons. Apparently, if what I read here is true, you don't have a choice about this, as there are governmetn rules requiring fuses in such equipment. But in practical terms, I still question whether the fuses are necessary as fire prevention in more benign equipment, like cd and dvd players (with their tiny little power transformers....). I think André already found the trade-off: use higher grade fuses. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Let's just say for the sake of argument, that André, like the infamous loud-mouthed know-nothing troll known as Arny Krueger, has no idea why his adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup works. He just knows it does. I don't see what there is to change. If it works, it works. That means he can repeat it in 10,000 products, it will still work. Since you took my name in vain... In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. Furthermore I know why repeating it will do no good for sound quality. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Wow. What a party pooper. Next you're going to tell me that I can't turn lead into gold by randomly mucking about with it in the kitchen. No wonder scientists and engineers have a reputation of being no fun. //Walt |
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Walt wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Wow. What a party pooper. Next you're going to tell me that I can't turn lead into gold by randomly mucking about with it in the kitchen. No wonder scientists and engineers have a reputation of being no fun. //Walt Not sure about that, do know you can make silver shiny by soaking in a hot solution of dihydrous monoxide and bicarbonate of soda in an aluminum pan. Let the alchemists gather forth |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Let's just say for the sake of argument, that André, like the infamous loud-mouthed know-nothing troll known as Arny Krueger, has no idea why his adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup works. He just knows it does. I don't see what there is to change. If it works, it works. That means he can repeat it in 10,000 products, it will still work. Since you took my name in vain... Your "name" in the audio community is the equivalent of putrified ****. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's worth anything. In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. No, as with everything else you spew, you only convince yourself of what you think you know. I already read what you think you know, so I'm not interested in hearing it. What I'm more interested in, is what exactly you think qualifies you to know cd player design better than Yves Bernard André? Where is the "Arny Krueger CD Player" that you designed? I for one would LOVE to hear that thing. For that matter, where and when did you get your degrees in digital engineering, you ignorant ****wad? Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. You wouldn't know your ass from your elbow, you fat greasy *******. Which is probably why you keep getting the two confused, ending up with your hand up your ass all day. Furthermore I know why repeating it will do no good for sound quality. I know why repeating your audio religion for 10 years straight it will do no good for anyone's sound quality. Basically, you are the ANTI-CHRIST of hi fidelity audio. I laugh in your fat ****ing face, ball licker. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Let's just say for the sake of argument, that André, like the infamous loud-mouthed know-nothing troll known as Arny Krueger, has no idea why his adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup works. He just knows it does. I don't see what there is to change. If it works, it works. That means he can repeat it in 10,000 products, it will still work. Since you took my name in vain... Your "name" in the audio community is the equivalent of putrified ****. Well that substance would be very fertile suff, good for making good things grow. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's worth anything. It's obviously worth abusing by people who think very highly of themselves. In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. No, as with everything else you spew, you only convince yourself of what you think you know. I already read what you think you know, so I'm not interested in hearing it. What I'm more interested in, is what exactly you think qualifies you to know cd player design better than Yves Bernard André? I don't believe that Yves Bernard Andre has ever designed a CD player - he only takes other people's designs and adds some worthless gee-gaw(s) in order to improve his profit margins. |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:48:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. Why did you hedge your first statement with "reliable"? |
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Laurence Payne wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:48:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. Why did you hedge your first statement with "reliable"? Perhaps the effect is dependent on the color of the CD? Gold vs Silver or those pretty multi colored ones from Memorex. It's the K-Mart phenomonon, blue light attracts the audio bits at a higher rate. The other application is LEDs in your clear Desktop tower increasing the processing speed of your HD. |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:48:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. Why did you hedge your first statement with "reliable"? "unreliable audible effects"admits sighted evaluations and just about any other flaky form of evaluation one can think of. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:48:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. Why did you hedge your first statement with "reliable"? "unreliable audible effects"admits sighted evaluations and just about any other flaky form of evaluation one can think of. Please clarify your usage: a. sighted as I have sighted a UFO b. admits cited evaluation noted exceptions c. admits sited evaluation is not applicable to the discussion This entire thread has been derived from a flakey evaluation. |
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Walt wrote: wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "unreliable audible effects"admits sighted evaluations and just about any other flaky form of evaluation one can think of. Please clarify your usage: a. sighted as I have sighted a UFO b. admits cited evaluation noted exceptions c. admits sited evaluation is not applicable to the discussion This entire thread has been derived from a flakey evaluation. "Sighted" as in "I can see what I'm listening to." Leading to "I think the shiny one with the fancy nameplate sounds better." As opposed to "Blind" where the subject doesn't know which unit under test he's hearing at the moment, and "Double Blind" where neither the subject nor the tester knows. //Walt Thanks Walt, I've been wondering why the response of the reading laser would be affected by a blue light, other than introducing interference. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:48:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: In fact I know why adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup has no reliable audible effect. Therefore, I know for sure that it does not work. Why did you hedge your first statement with "reliable"? "unreliable audible effects"admits sighted evaluations and just about any other flaky form of evaluation one can think of. Please clarify your usage: a. sighted as I have sighted a UFO b. admits cited evaluation noted exceptions c. admits sited evaluation is not applicable to the discussion Sighted as in I sighted a cute blonde PhD with curly hair. or sighted as in the identity of the equipment being listened to at the time can be determined by some other means than listening. This entire thread has been derived from a flakey evaluation. Agreed. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Walt wrote: wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "unreliable audible effects"admits sighted evaluations and just about any other flaky form of evaluation one can think of. Please clarify your usage: a. sighted as I have sighted a UFO b. admits cited evaluation noted exceptions c. admits sited evaluation is not applicable to the discussion This entire thread has been derived from a flakey evaluation. Agreed, with a bullet. ;-) "Sighted" as in "I can see what I'm listening to." Leading to "I think the shiny one with the fancy nameplate sounds better." As opposed to "Blind" where the subject doesn't know which unit under test he's hearing at the moment, and "Double Blind" where neither the subject nor the tester knows. Agreed. Thanks Walt, I've been wondering why the response of the reading laser would be affected by a blue light, other than introducing interference. More likely, there would be a loss of contrast. However, since the laser pickup is IR and the blue light is well blue, the possibility of interaction is slim and none. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Walt wrote: wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "unreliable audible effects"admits sighted evaluations and just about any other flaky form of evaluation one can think of. Please clarify your usage: a. sighted as I have sighted a UFO b. admits cited evaluation noted exceptions c. admits sited evaluation is not applicable to the discussion This entire thread has been derived from a flakey evaluation. Agreed, with a bullet. ;-) "Sighted" as in "I can see what I'm listening to." Leading to "I think the shiny one with the fancy nameplate sounds better." As opposed to "Blind" where the subject doesn't know which unit under test he's hearing at the moment, and "Double Blind" where neither the subject nor the tester knows. Agreed. Thanks Walt, I've been wondering why the response of the reading laser would be affected by a blue light, other than introducing interference. More likely, there would be a loss of contrast. However, since the laser pickup is IR and the blue light is well blue, the possibility of interaction is slim and none. I've observed that light is rarely of a pure narrow wavelength spectrum. The IR laser is one, The spectrum of the blue light on the other hand may contain many frequencies dominated by the blue portion. Take a look at the spectral energy distibution graphs that accompany various lighting gel materials. Roscolux 121 transmits almost equal amounts of blue and deep red light going off the graph. Unless the blue source is produced cold there will be some elements of IR involved. Perhaps not much, but there still the same. I do agree that it is purely a maketing device and could not enhance the data stream off the CD. Please post picture of the blonde PhD |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
I don't believe that Yves Bernard Andre has ever designed a CD player - he only takes other people's designs and adds some worthless gee-gaw(s) in order to improve his profit margins. Well,according to the YBA website, their CD players use a standard phillips CD drive unit. See: http://www.yba.fr/uk/YBA_detail_don....=60&id_ligne=1 The drive unit is the VAM1254/21 http://www.daisy-laser.com/products/...Pro2/tech5.htm So, you are probably correct that Monseur André hasn't designed a CD player. Imagine how expensive it would have to be in order to amortize the research costs of developing the drive unit. But, hey, at least they're up front about it. P.S. No indication that they're still making the blue light special CD player. //Walt |
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Walt wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: I don't believe that Yves Bernard Andre has ever designed a CD player -he only takes other people's designs and adds some worthless gee-gaw(s) in order to improve his profit margins. Well,according to the YBA website, their CD players use a standard phillips CD drive unit. See: http://www.yba.fr/uk/YBA_detail_don....=60&id_ligne=1 The drive unit is the VAM1254/21 http://www.daisy-laser.com/products/...Pro2/tech5.htm So, you are probably correct that Monseur André hasn't designed a CD player. Imagine how expensive it would have to be in order to amortize the research costs of developing the drive unit. But, hey, at least they're up front about it. P.S. No indication that they're still making the blue light special CD player. //Walt I found the made totally from non-magnetic materials intriguing. No worries about demagnatizing the CD's. |
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Walt wrote: wrote: I found the made totally from non-magnetic materials intriguing. No worries about demagnatizing the CD's. A couple of years ago a colleague and I designed and built a CD demagnetizer. It worked perfectly - after using it there was no detectable magnatism coming from the CD. We were planning to market them to audiophiles but we just didn't quite have the cojones. //Walt With the right marketing team, you could create a reality show that featured audio tech guys and babes. Give them problematic tasks composing CD's Get the media buzz that demagnetized CDs yield a more enjoyable media experience. Market the demagnetizer in exclusive internet boutiques. |
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"Walt" wrote...
westpase-he_ac wrote: I found the made totally from non-magnetic materials intriguing. No worries about demagnatizing the CD's. A couple of years ago a colleague and I designed and built a CD demagnetizer. It worked perfectly - after using it there was no detectable magnatism coming from the CD. Au contraire! Note that you were likely measuring the magnetism with a static disc. Note further that even non- ferrous metals like aluminum (which is the metalized layer in most CDs) display eddy currents while rotating. If you don't believe this, go out and look at your electric utility meter. Other successful products (and orgaizations) were launched on far less substance than this! :-) (I want a 3% royalty for the plausible BS) |
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I. Care wrote: In article , says... wrote: I found the made totally from non-magnetic materials intriguing. No worries about demagnatizing the CD's. A couple of years ago a colleague and I designed and built a CD demagnetizer. It worked perfectly - after using it there was no detectable magnatism coming from the CD. We were planning to market them to audiophiles but we just didn't quite have the cojones. //Walt I have been lurking here watching this thread for some time. Mostly for the humor; but, also because I remember back in the 70's when fuses were blamed for noise. As I remember it at that time the fuses in question were in the speaker out path. I went to the YBA site and looked at some of the equipment there. What I found interesting was that for all of the hoopla regarding no fuses in the AC line (presented in this thread), the manuals for all of the equipment I looked at had fuses: preamps, integrated amps and power amps. Most of the manuals are available for download. They did specify you must obtain replacement fuses from your YBA dealer however. I would think if fuses had such a big effect they wouldn't be put in the YBA equipment being discussed here. You're totally mixing everything up. There is no manufacturer that I ever heard of that doesn't use fuses in such equip..... seems that would be illegal for them to do so. And I never said YBA doesn't use fuses in their amps... I said I didn't. The reason they specify you have to get yba replacement fuses, is because they use special custom made high quality fuses. If you used ordinary fuses, you couldn't achieve the same sound. Perhaps you would also like to add some completely unsupported groundless and factless comments to this thread about how YBA is wrong about blue leds having any effect in their players? I'm wondering how many of these ignorant comments you wanna-be engineers can cram in one thread. Flame away. Oh that's right the OP stated he wouldn't be responding here anymore. No, you can't read much better than your buds. I stated I wouldn't be responding to one particular ahole here. -- I. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} |
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Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Let's just say for the sake of argument, that André, like the infamous loud-mouthed know-nothing troll known as Arny Krueger, has no idea why his adding a blue light next to the CD laser pickup works. He just knows it does. I don't see what there is to change. If it works, it works. That means he can repeat it in 10,000 products, it will still work. Since you took my name in vain... Your "name" in the audio community is the equivalent of putrified ****. I notice that after what, 10 years of trolling the newsgroups, you still can't figure out how to quote properly. You look like a typical kook talking to himself here, since you don't know how to distinguish your own blather from your subject's words. Do you realize you make the other ignorant idiots here look smart by comparison? Well that substance would be very fertile suff, good for making good things grow. I don't doubt it, since it seems to be what your brain is made of. Your name however, has never been able to "grow" an ounce of credibility. Which is why you're a laughingstock on usenet and the biggest known troll in the audio groups. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's worth anything. It's obviously worth abusing by people who think very highly of themselves. I don't think there are any special conditions required, for one to find your name worthy of abuse. Otherwise, considering the fact that Google puts abuse of your name, Arny/Arnold/Arnie Krueger/Kruger/Krugerr/Krooborg/Mr.**** (or whatever the hell your stupid name is) at about 10 and a half billion ****ing times by now, that means there are a hell of a lot of people in the world who think highly of themselves. Count me as one of them. You can count yourself too, since there is no shortage of evidence of you abusing audiophiles on the net. I can name one in particular, a rather highly regarded member of our community, named John Atkinson, whom you accused of sending you child pornography in email, and making light of your dead son. That would be famous "dead Nate", would it not? The very same "dead Nate" who, while they were burying his tiny little dead body.... YOU, sick fat ****ing reprehensible piece of **** that you are, were found trolling the audio newsgroups abusing those very people whom you say think highly of themselves. I want you to know I'm only getting started with you, my little Krueger/Kruger/Krugerr/Krooborg/Mr.****. No, as with everything else you spew, you only convince yourself of what you think you know. I already read what you think you know, so I'm not interested in hearing it. What I'm more interested in, is what exactly you think qualifies you to know cd player design better than Yves Bernard André? I don't believe that Yves Bernard Andre has ever designed a CD player - he only takes other people's designs and adds some worthless gee-gaw(s) in order to improve his profit margins. Putting aside the fact that you have no ****ing clue as to what you're talking about in regards to the blue LED, I don't beleive that YOU have ever designed a CD player to be criticizing his players, which are highly regarded around the world. So let's start with you naming all the cd players you've designed, to be able to sit on your fat can behind your pc sceen and criticize André's designs, you fat ****ing do-nothing loser? |
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rladbury wrote...
Putting aside the fact that you have no ****ing clue as to what you're talking about in regards to the blue LED, I don't beleive that YOU have ever designed a CD player to be criticizing his players, which are highly regarded around the world. So let's start with you naming all the cd players you've designed, to be able to sit on your fat can behind your pc sceen and criticize André's designs, you fat ****ing do-nothing loser? OK, so which CD players have *YOU* designed? Anyone who believes in the possibility of the blue LED doing anything but impressing the sucker/customer likely also believes in the magic green marker also. Why if you used both of them the magic blue-green aura would bring the musicians right into your room! |
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Richard Crowley wrote: rladbury wrote... Putting aside the fact that you have no ****ing clue as to what you're talking about in regards to the blue LED, I don't beleive that YOU have ever designed a CD player to be criticizing his players, which are highly regarded around the world. So let's start with you naming all the cd players you've designed, to be able to sit on your fat can behind your pc sceen and criticize André's designs, you fat ****ing do-nothing loser? OK, so which CD players have *YOU* designed? I didn't claim the designer was full of ****, did I, you stupid ****wad? Secondly, I wasn't even addressing you, so **** off. Anyone who believes in the possibility of the blue LED doing anything but impressing the sucker/customer likely also believes in the magic green marker also. Why if you used both of them the magic blue-green aura would bring the musicians right into your room! How about you shut your ****ing gob and PROVE your false assertions about blue LEDs and green markers. Otherwise, shut your ****ing gob. The only thing you've proven so far is what an ignorant asshole you are. |
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wrote in message ups.com... You're totally mixing everything up. There is no manufacturer that I ever heard of that doesn't use fuses in such equip..... seems that would be illegal for them to do so. I wonder why ? And I never said YBA doesn't use fuses in their amps... I said I didn't. The reason they specify you have to get yba replacement fuses, is because they use special custom made high quality fuses. How do they acheive this 'high quality' ? If you used ordinary fuses, you couldn't achieve the same sound. Grateful you attempt some semi-reasonable explanation of the way this sound difference is acheived. No, you can't read much better than your buds. I stated I wouldn't be responding to one particular ahole here. Why, did he ask an awkward question ? geoff |
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wrote in message oups.com... How about you shut your ****ing gob and PROVE your false assertions about blue LEDs and green markers. Otherwise, shut your ****ing gob. The only thing you've proven so far is what an ignorant asshole you are. Is it you quoting sytle messed up here, or are you really addressing yourself ? geoff |
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"Walt" wrote in message ... wrote: I found the made totally from non-magnetic materials intriguing. No worries about demagnatizing the CD's. A couple of years ago a colleague and I designed and built a CD demagnetizer. It worked perfectly - after using it there was no detectable magnatism coming from the CD. We were planning to market them to audiophiles but we just didn't quite have the cojones. Someone beat you to the market - the "Bedini Clarifier". |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Walt" wrote A couple of years ago a colleague and I designed and built a CD demagnetizer. It worked perfectly - after using it there was no detectable magnatism coming from the CD. We were planning to market them to audiophiles but we just didn't quite have the cojones. Someone beat you to the market - the "Bedini Clarifier". Hey, is it my fault that P.T. Barnum was born 150 years before me? //Walt // // No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public |
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:22:37 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: More likely, there would be a loss of contrast. However, since the laser pickup is IR and the blue light is well blue, the possibility of interaction is slim and none. Slim AND none? Explain please? |
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