[Arny Krueger]

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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I don't know a single soul who plays LPs who feels he needs to *prove*
anything....

The thousands who post to usenet excepted of course?

Right. If they aren't trying to prove something, why don't they keep
their weird religious rites to themselves?


You never worked out that if you don't *attack* vinyl, people like me
don't have to *defend* it - did you?

Keep on denying the OP in this thread Keith. It gives us all a good laugh!

Why don't you let yourself off the hook Arny and go put a CD on or summat?
You ain't *never* going to rule this UK newgroup with your personal
phobias - not while I can be arsed to subscribe to it, at any rate....

I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the truth in
the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people remember as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl discs have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to 100-percent of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music files are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a CD."

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg takes umbrage.

And CD lovers tend to give the impression there are no
poorly recorded CDs,

Straw man argument, if not an out-an-out lie!

Keith omitted to include the modifier "out loud". Being insane, Arnii, you
may not be aware that human beings cannot read your "thoughts". Nor are we
privy to your private toilet prayers.

[George M. Middius]

**** is enraged.

Why don't you admit the truth, ****?

No wonder you're the ****.

Very quick response time, ****.

Wow George, what an amazingly limited "intelligence" you have.

Are you referring to my diagnosis of your true identity? I'll be the first
to admit that your ****tiness is as obvious as the turds on Krooger's
dinner plate.

[Keith G]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote


No. There is a practical side to all this. If the vinyl market drops
to a tenth of what it is now, which it could in a few years, then
the supplies of new hardware and software are going to really dry
up.


Sorry Arny, deny it all you like, but here in the UK (I can't speak
for anywhere else) the evidence is heavily against you.

Not based on any reliable evidence that you've presented.


Such *denial* Arny - I could almost (I said *almost) respect you for
it...



In addition to the steady stream of new turntables from existing
manufacturers, we are also seeing new models from established names
like Marantz who are starting to *re-introduce* them after a break of
some 20 years (according to the blurb):

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/01/06/mar...t_turntab.html

Hope springs eternal!

Just because you build it, doesn't mean that they are going to come.


Give these people a shout - they'll ship you one today, if you want and
they're on your doostep aren't they...??

musicdirect
318 North Laflin Street
Chicago, IL 60607
312.433.0200 / (800)449.8333
312-433-0011 fax


(Still with the *denial*!! :-)

[Keith G]

"Arny Krueger" wrote


I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the
truth in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people remember
as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl discs
have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to 100-percent
of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain
only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music files
are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a CD."


Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

[Keith G]

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
...


**** is enraged.

Why don't you admit the truth, ****?

No wonder you're the ****.

Very quick response time, ****.

Wow George, what an amazingly limited "intelligence" you have.

Are you referring to my diagnosis of your true identity? I'll be the
first
to admit that your ****tiness is as obvious as the turds on Krooger's
dinner plate.


It seems you can learn from crosspostings after all - I thought the 'T'
in 'Mr T' stood for * Tit *....

??

[Arny Krueger]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote


I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the truth
in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people remember as
the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl discs have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to 100-percent of
the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music files are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a CD."

Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

With all due respect to Gary Krakow, he seems to be flaunting his ignorance
of the relevant technologies. I understand that Gary wrote for Stereophile
once upon a time. I don't think that even John Atkinson would tolerate this
kind of technical error, heavy vinylista advertising in Stereophile
notwithstanding.

Information theory (which Gary is obviously appealing to when he says "music
information") states that information can be quantified, based on the
product of bandwidth and dynamic range.

For example, an analog or digital channel with 6 dB more dynamic range is
capable of passing twice as much information. An analog or digital channel
with twice the bandwidth is capable of passing twice as much information.

Applying the most generous weighting factors will allow the claim that the
LP format is capable of about 75 dB dynamic range. In the real world,
disappointing dynamic ranges of even 45 dB are not unheard of when vinyl is
in play.

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when judged
by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage goes to the
CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.

BTW, my analysis ignores the fact that LPs are prone to many scratches,
clicks, and pops while CDs are not. Krakow goes further than most
vinylistas in the direction of truth by admitting that these exist.
Scratches, clicks and pops do more than just distract you from the music,
they detract from dynamic range. A good scratch or pop may be louder than
the music, possibly leading to the mind-bending concept of negative dynamic
range.

Therefore, by the most pro-LP-biased of technical evaluations, the music
information leader is as always the CD format, and by a factor of at least
10. This means that if the LP format had far more bandwidth than the CD
format (which as a practical matter it does not) the LP format would need to
have 10 times more bandwidth than the CD format to break even.

It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be technical
experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts of basic audio
engineering training.

[Keith G]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote


No. There is a practical side to all this. If the vinyl market
drops to a tenth of what it is now, which it could in a few years,
then the supplies of new hardware and software are going to really
dry up.


Sorry Arny, deny it all you like, but here in the UK (I can't speak
for anywhere else) the evidence is heavily against you.

Not based on any reliable evidence that you've presented.


Such *denial* Arny - I could almost (I said *almost) respect you for
it...



In addition to the steady stream of new turntables from existing
manufacturers, we are also seeing new models from established names
like Marantz who are starting to *re-introduce* them after a break
of some 20 years (according to the blurb):

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/01/06/mar...t_turntab.html

Hope springs eternal!

Just because you build it, doesn't mean that they are going to come.


Give these people a shout - they'll ship you one today, if you want
and they're on your doostep aren't they...??

musicdirect
318 North Laflin Street
Chicago, IL 60607
312.433.0200 / (800)449.8333
312-433-0011 fax


(Still with the *denial*!! :-)



Here's the link to make it easier for you:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73850

[Keith G]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote


I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the
truth in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this
thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people
remember as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl discs
have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to
100-percent of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain
only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music files
are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a
CD."

Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

With all due respect to Gary Krakow, he seems to be flaunting his
ignorance
of the relevant technologies. I understand that Gary wrote for
Stereophile
once upon a time. I don't think that even John Atkinson would tolerate
this
kind of technical error, heavy vinylista advertising in Stereophile
notwithstanding.

Information theory (which Gary is obviously appealing to when he says
"music
information") states that information can be quantified, based on the
product of bandwidth and dynamic range.

For example, an analog or digital channel with 6 dB more dynamic range
is
capable of passing twice as much information. An analog or digital
channel
with twice the bandwidth is capable of passing twice as much
information.

Applying the most generous weighting factors will allow the claim that
the
LP format is capable of about 75 dB dynamic range. In the real world,
disappointing dynamic ranges of even 45 dB are not unheard of when
vinyl is
in play.

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when
judged
by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage goes to
the
CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.

BTW, my analysis ignores the fact that LPs are prone to many
scratches,
clicks, and pops while CDs are not. Krakow goes further than most
vinylistas in the direction of truth by admitting that these exist.
Scratches, clicks and pops do more than just distract you from the
music,
they detract from dynamic range. A good scratch or pop may be louder
than
the music, possibly leading to the mind-bending concept of negative
dynamic
range.

Therefore, by the most pro-LP-biased of technical evaluations, the
music
information leader is as always the CD format, and by a factor of at
least
10. This means that if the LP format had far more bandwidth than the
CD
format (which as a practical matter it does not) the LP format would
need to
have 10 times more bandwidth than the CD format to break even.

It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be
technical
experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts of basic
audio
engineering training.


No, that's an argument - the question was 'Where's your proof?'...

??

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-
What denials, Mr. T? Do you believe that I've been less than
truthful?
If so, show some honor and point out where I've done so.

No idea, I did ask you to clarify one statement, but you failed to do
so.
I'll accept your denials, so that leaves nothing else to discuss.

What statement, Mr. T?

The one you ignored, asking WHAT your supposed statement actually was, since
you claimed it was not just an opinion, but was not as others claimed it to
be.
Try Google groups *IF* you actually care, I don't any longer, and you
obviously didn't when I asked.

MrT.

lol Just as I thought; you don't even know what you're arguing about.

[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

What statement, Mr. T?

The one you ignored, asking WHAT your supposed statement actually was, since
you claimed it was not just an opinion, but was not as others claimed it to be.

lol Just as I thought; you don't even know what you're arguing about.

The "debating trade" roolz!

[John Atkinson]

On Sep 4, 10:03 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
With all due respect to Gary Krakow, he seems to be flaunting
his ignorance of the relevant technologies. I understand that
Gary wrote for Stereophile once upon a time. I don't think that
even John Atkinson would tolerate this kind of technical error,
heavy vinylista advertising in Stereophile notwithstanding.

"Dad, why is that old man standing at the side of the
road shouting?"

"He's an Internet ninny, son. Since the advent of the
Web, people who get ignored in usual social
intercourse, who have failed at most everything they
put their hands to, and who, now that they have retired,
have found time weighing heavily on their hands, have
realized that they can shout endlessly in cyberspace."

"But he mentioned your name and your magazine?"

"That's because Mr. Krueger is also a troll, son.
Desperate for attention from those he envies, he drops
their names in a vain attempt to try to get a response.
Trolls are best ignored."

"He's still shouting at you...and everyone else!"

"That's because, having "proved" that those with
preferences different from his own, Mr. Krueger can't
comprehend why those others continue to enjoy
themselves."

"Let's go Dad, the Virgin Megastore has a bunch of
new vinyl."

"Kick-ass, son!"

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
You manage to work valves into most of those too. Why on earth you're
going for valve mics escapes me.

Don't you have access to any valve mics, Dave?
Neumann U47, U49, U50 are particularly good
They are very expensive, and highly regarded
in classical recording. The only people who don't
like them are those that don't have them:-)

Or those who require to impress a client. ;-)

I have yet to see a client clamber to the top of
a boom to peer at the badge on the microphone:-)

However, these are a rather different matter from new chinese ones.

It would be interesting to make a comparison. Have you done this?



Has he even heard a Chinese valve mic??

(snip)

Personally, I doubt it (but I'm always ready to be put right, of course
??) - ordinarily, there's too many people ready to dismiss stuff on
guesswork and hearsay. I at least, get hold of examples and try them for
myself...

I think it is a very good idea indeed for anyone having tried FET
mics to give a good valve mic an audition.


Absolutely!

Now this has really got the little grey cells working. I shall make a
phone call or two tomorrow to see if I can get some Chinkies on
sale or return.

The fact that so many
vintage Neumann mics have beenconverted *back* from FET
is surely food for thought.

Stuff of legends, AFAIAC - sorry to say!! ;-)

The old valve mics with the original power supplies were a bit
of a pain. When I was a 2E, we used to finish the afternoon
session at 1800 hrs, do one hour's playback, and then go for
a late lunch. Then we had to set up for the next day. Sometimes
this would just be some simple changes to the existing set up,
sometimes it would mean a complete strip down and rebuild
of a large multi mic session which could take several hours.
(some conductors like to work facing the other way:-)

Often it was well past the witching hour before we got round
to mic checks. The 2E had to go into the studio and speak on
each mic " On the front 1,2,3,4" and then "On the back 1,2,3,4"
while the senior engineer listened in the control room, and the
assistant twiddled the polarity control on the mic preamp for
the pattern required for that particular mic.

Some mics were not as "cardioid" as one would have wished,
but this was solved by speaking very loudly on the front, and
very softly on the back.

Just had a thought.... I wonder if they did the same to me
when I was in the control room!

Iain

[Dan Drake]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 03:57:26 UTC, "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
Should we still accept that the sun
and stars revolve around the earth?

Remember that established Science taught that for most of recorded
history.

Not so. The ancient Greeks pretty much founded the scientific establishment,

Umm, what exactly does this mean? They pretty much began the serious study
of science in the Western world (leaving aside their debt to Babylonians,
the size of which raises some controversy). But I didn't know about this
"establishment" which somehow managed to be the same establishment in
spite of a break of more than half a millennium when it just didn't exist.


and they knew better,

I guess, then, Aristotle doesn't count as a Greek?

as did the Egyptians, some South American cultures and
countless others.

Lotsa claims, no evidence (though lots of nationalist narratives based,
mostly, on the same amount of evidence).

It was only the religious nuts who really changed European thinking for a
millenia.

Some of them pretty much stopped it rather than changed it (in relation to
science) for over half a millennium. But the later ones revived it,
following the Greeks (and their Arab successors) very faithfully. Too
faithfully; that was the problem by 1600.

--
Dan Drake

http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com

[Keith G]

"Iain Churches" wrote


Now this has really got the little grey cells working. I shall make a
phone call or two tomorrow to see if I can get some Chinkies on
sale or return.


Look forward to hearing summat from them!

If I lived where you do I'd hop on a boat and check these people out:

http://violet-design.ee/


Find this link:

http://www.osxrecording.com/mp3/dylan.mp3


....on this page:

http://www.osxrecording.com/Reviews-...ent-id-26.html


"I wasn't trying to do a Dylan imitation here, but I do love playing and
singing this one, and have been doing it since I was a kid. I just kind
of sound this way."

(*Not* ****e..!! :-)

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote


Now this has really got the little grey cells working. I shall make a
phone call or two tomorrow to see if I can get some Chinkies on
sale or return.


Look forward to hearing summat from them!

If I lived where you do I'd hop on a boat and check these people out:

http://violet-design.ee/


Find this link:

http://www.osxrecording.com/mp3/dylan.mp3


...on this page:

http://www.osxrecording.com/Reviews-...ent-id-26.html


"I wasn't trying to do a Dylan imitation here, but I do love playing and
singing this one, and have been doing it since I was a kid. I just kind of
sound this way."

(*Not* ****e..!! :-)

[Adam Stouffer]

Arny Krueger wrote:

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when judged
by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage goes to the
CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.


Too bad they don't take advantage of it

http://georgegraham.com/compress.html

BTW, my analysis ignores the fact that LPs are prone to many scratches,
clicks, and pops while CDs are not. Krakow goes further than most
vinylistas in the direction of truth by admitting that these exist.
Scratches, clicks and pops do more than just distract you from the music,
they detract from dynamic range. A good scratch or pop may be louder than
the music, possibly leading to the mind-bending concept of negative dynamic
range.

Therefore, by the most pro-LP-biased of technical evaluations, the music
information leader is as always the CD format, and by a factor of at least
10. This means that if the LP format had far more bandwidth than the CD
format (which as a practical matter it does not) the LP format would need to
have 10 times more bandwidth than the CD format to break even.

It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be technical
experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts of basic audio
engineering training.

I find it amusing you choose to complain here instead of discussing your
opinion with the author of the article. I'll listen to Edison wax
cylinders if I feel like it and theres not a damn thing you can do about it.


Adam

[Mr.T]

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
...
**** is enraged.
Why don't you admit the truth, ****?
No wonder you're the ****.
Very quick response time, ****.
I'll be the first to admit that your ****tiness is as obvious as the turds
on Krooger's dinner plate.

And still having absolutely nothing to say doesn't stop George making a
complete and utter dickhead of himself.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
It seems you can learn from crosspostings after all - I thought the 'T'
in 'Mr T' stood for * Tit *....

That would make me quite useful at least, I can't say the same about you or
George unfortunately!

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
What that tells me is that vinyl is likely to be around for quite a
while yet, irrespective of what *percentage* it may or may not represent
of anything - what does it tell you....??

It tells me that people are now paying prices high enough that a few
manufacturers can satisfy a small volume market.
How long that will last is anybody's guess.

MrT.

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
It seems you can learn from crosspostings after all - I thought the
'T'
in 'Mr T' stood for * Tit *....

That would make me quite useful at least, I can't say the same about
you or
George unfortunately!

MrT.


Try it like this:

"That would make me quite useful, at least; I can't say the same about
you or George, unfortunately!"

If you are going to plaster these groups with pointless drivel you may
as well do it properly...

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message
...
**** is enraged.
Why don't you admit the truth, ****?
No wonder you're the ****.
Very quick response time, ****.
I'll be the first to admit that your ****tiness is as obvious as the
turds
on Krooger's dinner plate.

And still having absolutely nothing to say doesn't stop George making
a
complete and utter dickhead of himself.

MrT.



Pot, kettle....

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
Give these people a shout - they'll ship you one today, if you want and
they're on your doostep aren't they...??

musicdirect

For the same price as an average CD player? :-) :-)

MrT.

[Keith G]

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote


Now this has really got the little grey cells working. I shall make
a
phone call or two tomorrow to see if I can get some Chinkies on
sale or return.


Look forward to hearing summat from them!

If I lived where you do I'd hop on a boat and check these people out:

http://violet-design.ee/


Find this link:

http://www.osxrecording.com/mp3/dylan.mp3


...on this page:

http://www.osxrecording.com/Reviews-...ent-id-26.html


"I wasn't trying to do a Dylan imitation here, but I do love playing
and
singing this one, and have been doing it since I was a kid. I just
kind of
sound this way."

(*Not* ****e..!! :-)









And...??

:-)

[Keith G]

"Adam Stouffer" wrote in message
news:MtqDi.7009$3R5.965@trnddc05...
Arny Krueger wrote:

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when
judged by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage
goes to the CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.


Too bad they don't take advantage of it

http://georgegraham.com/compress.html

BTW, my analysis ignores the fact that LPs are prone to many
scratches, clicks, and pops while CDs are not. Krakow goes further
than most vinylistas in the direction of truth by admitting that
these exist. Scratches, clicks and pops do more than just distract
you from the music, they detract from dynamic range. A good scratch
or pop may be louder than the music, possibly leading to the
mind-bending concept of negative dynamic range.

Therefore, by the most pro-LP-biased of technical evaluations, the
music information leader is as always the CD format, and by a factor
of at least 10. This means that if the LP format had far more
bandwidth than the CD format (which as a practical matter it does
not) the LP format would need to have 10 times more bandwidth than
the CD format to break even.

It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be
technical experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts
of basic audio engineering training.

I find it amusing you choose to complain here instead of discussing
your opinion with the author of the article. I'll listen to Edison wax
cylinders if I feel like it and theres not a damn thing you can do
about it.


Yes there is - he can whine about it....

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
The greeks were a diverse lot. Just because some greek someplace thought
that the earth circulated around the sun didn't keep others from believing
that Icaraus flew so close to the sun that the feathers on his arms melted
off.

True, but most knew the difference between science and mythology.
I'm sure you do too.

Science and religion started out being almost completely blended together.
Early technology was practiced by many as a kind of religious rite. Most
universities were run by the Church. Government, Science and Religon were
blended together.

Yes, and not necessarily for the better. Anything that contradicted the
current wisdom was considered heresy.

And for much of that, priests promoted themselves as the
"scientific establishment", and holders of all wisdom.

That was simply how things were. During the dark ages the churches were
the
places where ancient scientific wisdom was preserved and practiced.

In fact the dark ages was all about them NOT wanting any alternate wisdom to
be preserved.

TV faith healers are an aberration, not the mainstream of people of faith.

Agreed, just like vinylista's are not the mainstream of music listeners :-)

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
You never worked out that if you don't *attack* vinyl, people like me
don't have to *defend* it - did you?

No, since I have NEVER started a digital Vs analog debate in my life, and
would NEVER bother to do so.
Someone sure as hell has been starting them for the last 25 years though,
despite my NOT doing so.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" wrote

I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the
truth in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people remember
as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl discs
have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to 100-percent
of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain
only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music files
are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a CD."

Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

So you agree with that stupid statement then, where's YOUR proof, or even a
definition of what the hell he's on about?

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
It would be a different world if journalists who pretend to be technical
experts by dispensing technical advice had useful amounts of basic audio
engineering training.

They'd just go over the heads of their target audience then, and be replaced
with someone who didn't.
Most people do not wish to learn unfortunately, they only want their biases
reinforced.
Haven't you noticed the same thing happens on Usenet?

MrT.

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
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Give these people a shout - they'll ship you one today, if you want
and
they're on your doostep aren't they...??

musicdirect

For the same price as an average CD player? :-) :-)

MrT.



At least Arny has the sense to shut TF up when his errors have been
pointed out.

What do you call an 'average CD player' anyway? - There's plenty of them
in the UK for a lot more money than that Marantz TT. (Not that it's got
****-all to do with anything....)

[Mr.T]

"Jenn" wrote in message

et...
lol Just as I thought; you don't even know what you're arguing about.

I did ask you to explain your position, and you still refuse to do so, so
obviously I have NO idea what YOU are arguing about.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Adam Stouffer" wrote in message
news:MtqDi.7009$3R5.965@trnddc05...
Arny Krueger wrote:

The CD format is capable of more like 95 dB dynamic range, even when
judged
by a stiffer standard - unweighted noise. The clear advantage goes to
the
CD format, and by a factor of 10 or more.


Too bad they don't take advantage of it

And most of us would agree with that, but I wouldn't want every CD to fully
use 90dB+ dynamic range either, very hard to listen to on anything other
than well sealed headphones or in an anechoic chamber.
The useful benefit is that the system noise floor is always inaudible
regardless of how much or how little dynamic range the actual music has.
The same cannot be said of vinyl unfortunately.

MrT.

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Arny Krueger" wrote

I have no interest in ruling any newsgroup. I just like to tell the
truth in the face of lies and distortions like the OP in this
thread:

http://krakow.msnbc.msn.com:80/archi...29/338888.aspx

"There's a good reason for this. In addition to what people
remember
as the
bad things that LPs provide (scratches, clicks and pops) vinyl
discs
have
lots of good things going for them. LPs contain close to
100-percent
of the
uncompressed music information as originally recorded. CDs contain
only
about half of that recorded information. And compressed music
files
are
left with only a small percentage of the information that's on a
CD."

Lies and distortions? Where's your proof?

So you agree with that stupid statement then, where's YOUR proof, or
even a
definition of what the hell he's on about?

MrT.


So you disagree with that stupid statement then, where's YOUR proof, or
even a definition of what the hell he's on about?

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
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You never worked out that if you don't *attack* vinyl, people like me
don't have to *defend* it - did you?

No, since I have NEVER started a digital Vs analog debate in my life,
and
would NEVER bother to do so.
Someone sure as hell has been starting them for the last 25 years
though,
despite my NOT doing so.

MrT.



No, you don't strike me as anybody who would stick his dick out far
enought to actually *start* anything - more one of the yapping crowd, I
would say...

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
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What do you call an 'average CD player' anyway?

Average price, highest selling volumes, pick whatever you like that roughly
fits.

- There's plenty of them
in the UK for a lot more money than that Marantz TT. (Not that it's got
****-all to do with anything....)

You got the last bit right anyway.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
No, you don't strike me as anybody who would stick his dick out far
enought to actually *start* anything -

So true, unlike you I've never been into ****ing contests.

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
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So you disagree with that stupid statement then,

Yep.

where's YOUR proof,

See the works of Shannon, and the last 25 years of actual test measurements.

or even a definition of what the hell he's on about?

Now that I can't give since I already said I have NO idea what the **** he's
on about.

Still waiting for YOUR definition?

MrT.

[Mr.T]

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
If you are going to plaster these groups with pointless drivel you may
as well do it properly...

OK, I'll leave that to the masters like you then.

MrT.

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
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No, you don't strike me as anybody who would stick his dick out far
enought to actually *start* anything -

So true, unlike you I've never been into ****ing contests.

MrT.



I've never seen you post in anything *other* than a ****ing contest....

[Keith G]

"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
If you are going to plaster these groups with pointless drivel you
may
as well do it properly...

OK, I'll leave that to the masters like you then.

MrT.



If only you would....