[sims]

just looking for a little kick in the back of my jimmy, and not trying to
break the bank.

I noticed I can get a 10" or a 12" with the exact same specs
(watts/rms/ohms) but was wondering what would be the benefit to using a
larger sub?

[ChrisB]

sims wrote:
just looking for a little kick in the back of my jimmy, and not trying
to break the bank.

I noticed I can get a 10" or a 12" with the exact same specs
(watts/rms/ohms) but was wondering what would be the benefit to using a
larger sub?



A larger subwoofer will generally give you a deeper bass output when
comparing the same mfg/model/line of sub. With that said, deep bass
output is highly dependent on how well your subwoofer enclosure is mated
to your subwoofer.

Just keep in mind that not every subwoofer is created equally and some
brands are WAY better than others, except JL Audio. Don't get me wrong,
JL Audio is expensive for a reason and that is because their Quality
Control standards are overboard. I am just saying there are subwoofers
that sound almost as good as JL Audio for a lost less $$!

[sims]

what companies would you compare to JL? I was interested in them only since
the shop told me to go with them. I am not expierenced with brands to
quality in car audio, but I must say I was impressed with JL.
I was at another place tonight and they sell MTX, rockford, infinity, and
JBL. the salesman recommended the infinity, but also noted his car is
loaded with JL...



"ChrisB" wrote in message
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sims wrote:
just looking for a little kick in the back of my jimmy, and not trying to
break the bank.

I noticed I can get a 10" or a 12" with the exact same specs
(watts/rms/ohms) but was wondering what would be the benefit to using a
larger sub?



A larger subwoofer will generally give you a deeper bass output when
comparing the same mfg/model/line of sub. With that said, deep bass
output is highly dependent on how well your subwoofer enclosure is mated
to your subwoofer.

Just keep in mind that not every subwoofer is created equally and some
brands are WAY better than others, except JL Audio. Don't get me wrong,
JL Audio is expensive for a reason and that is because their Quality
Control standards are overboard. I am just saying there are subwoofers
that sound almost as good as JL Audio for a lost less $$!

[ChrisB]

sims wrote:
what companies would you compare to JL? I was interested in them only
since the shop told me to go with them. I am not expierenced with
brands to quality in car audio, but I must say I was impressed with JL.
I was at another place tonight and they sell MTX, rockford, infinity,
and JBL. the salesman recommended the infinity, but also noted his car
is loaded with JL...

If you aren't going with a JL W6, W7, or TW5 series, I would recommend
the RE SE, Fi Q, or Zuki subs in lieu of JL Audio. If you really want
to spend some money, I would recommend the Image Dynamics IDMAX series.

I am not that anti-JL because I run a 13w6v2 in my 2006 Mustang. I also
have a pair of 10w3s that suck royally. Anyone that pays close to MSRP
for the w3 series is getting the biggest pile of crap that JL Audio
produces and the RE, Fi, and Zuki subs will walk all over them!

Check here for the subwoofers I am talking about:

http://reaudio.com/woofers.html#goto_se

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

http://www.zukiaudio.com/

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/prod...hp?Family_Id=4

I will tell you the main reason I am anti-JL audio though.... That is
because every local custom shop pushes them and pushes them HARD! The
profit margins on JL Audio equipment in general are LARGE and everyone
who drinks the JL Audio kool aid swears that JL is the best, and JL is
far from it, especially for the price!

[sims]

good to hear!
kinda of like nuance home theatres (which I unfortunatly have, good
speakers WAYYYYY overpriced for what they are)



"ChrisB" wrote in message
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sims wrote:
what companies would you compare to JL? I was interested in them only
since the shop told me to go with them. I am not expierenced with brands
to quality in car audio, but I must say I was impressed with JL.
I was at another place tonight and they sell MTX, rockford, infinity, and
JBL. the salesman recommended the infinity, but also noted his car is
loaded with JL...

If you aren't going with a JL W6, W7, or TW5 series, I would recommend the
RE SE, Fi Q, or Zuki subs in lieu of JL Audio. If you really want to
spend some money, I would recommend the Image Dynamics IDMAX series.

I am not that anti-JL because I run a 13w6v2 in my 2006 Mustang. I also
have a pair of 10w3s that suck royally. Anyone that pays close to MSRP
for the w3 series is getting the biggest pile of crap that JL Audio
produces and the RE, Fi, and Zuki subs will walk all over them!

Check here for the subwoofers I am talking about:

http://reaudio.com/woofers.html#goto_se

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

http://www.zukiaudio.com/

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/prod...hp?Family_Id=4

I will tell you the main reason I am anti-JL audio though.... That is
because every local custom shop pushes them and pushes them HARD! The
profit margins on JL Audio equipment in general are LARGE and everyone who
drinks the JL Audio kool aid swears that JL is the best, and JL is far
from it, especially for the price!

[bob wald]

go pioneer subs!!!!! almost impossible to beat!

[SKaReCRoW]

Back in 2000 I paid retail for a pair of 10w3d6's that I stuck in an
Audiobahn bandpass box after blowing my Audiobahn subs on my way to my first
db drag comp. (amp accidentally got switched to full range instead of low
pass)

My first comp didn't go well, but not because of the speakers. I didn't
have the worlds greatest amp hooked up to them. The next db drag comp was a
week later, and in that week I installed an Audiobahn A2200HC, and blew away
everyone in my class (1-2 woofers 0-400 watts street class). I was the only
person running 10's. Everyone else in my class was running a pair of 12's
of various brands including JL, Rockford, Kicker, and several others. The
only person who even came close was a girl running a pair of 12w3's in a
little red hatchback. I had my setup in an 87 Toyota Camry. If I remember
correctly she was using a RF amp, but I couldn't tell you which one. She
hit 141.7 against my 141.9. 2 weeks later I installed a crossover and hit
142.7 at a USAC event with the same JL 10w3's which weren't even in the
correct type of box!

Sorry, but if the w3 series is the biggest pile of crap that JL makes, I'm
afraid of their "good" stuff. I know the w3's are severely underrated too.
The 10w3d6's are rated to handle 250 watts RMS, but I was pushing about 1200
watts into the pair running the A2200HC at 1.5 ohm mono. The subs took
everything I could throw at them and begged for more. That's why I just
bought a pair of 15w3v2's and an Audiobahn A2300HCX amp for my Suburban.
Haven't hooked anything up yet, cuz I haven't decided if I'm going to build
or buy a box yet, and whichever route I go I need to build a custom amp rack
as well.

"ChrisB" wrote in message
...

I am not that anti-JL because I run a 13w6v2 in my 2006 Mustang. I also
have a pair of 10w3s that suck royally. Anyone that pays close to MSRP
for the w3 series is getting the biggest pile of crap that JL Audio
produces and the RE, Fi, and Zuki subs will walk all over them!

Check here for the subwoofers I am talking about:

http://reaudio.com/woofers.html#goto_se

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

http://www.zukiaudio.com/

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/prod...hp?Family_Id=4

I will tell you the main reason I am anti-JL audio though.... That is
because every local custom shop pushes them and pushes them HARD! The
profit margins on JL Audio equipment in general are LARGE and everyone who
drinks the JL Audio kool aid swears that JL is the best, and JL is far
from it, especially for the price!

[MOSFET]

.. I am just saying there are subwoofers
that sound almost as good as JL Audio for a lost less $$!


I'll second that. You are partly paying for the JL name and their large PR
and marketing budget. They are great subs; I used a pair of 12W3's for
years several years back and they were outstanding subs, but a bit pricey
for what you can buy today for that same price.

As far as your original question, the larger the subwoofer you get buys you
two major advantages: 1) larger subs are more generally more efifcient
meaning they need less power to produce the same SPL as a smaller sub. This
can be be VERY beneficial if you do not have a large sub amp OR a lot of
extra current from your car's electrical system. 2) the other advantage is
that larger subs can generally play lower frequencies at greater volume than
smaller subs.

HOWEVER, the generally accepted drawback of larger subs is that they are not
as "tight" as smaller subs. This, however, is debatable and depends greatly
on the subs in question. Of course the other drawback is that larger subs
require larger enclosures, thereby you will need to sacrifice more cabin or
trunk space.

I would not necessarily rule out 15" subs either. I recently had a pair of
high-end MTX 7500 12"'s stollen out of my car. I had this unused dual 15"
sealed box just laying around in my garage and decided to buy a pair of low
cost 15's.

To my surprise, I actually like the 15's better than my MTX 12's. They are
MUCH louder as they are more efficient as I mentioned earlier. They also
can play lower than my 12's. As far as "tightness", I don't notice any
difference at all. They sound GREAT!!! If you have the space in your
vehicle, you may want to consider 15's as well. It's safe to say this will
give you the loudest bang for your buck.

MOSFET