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Wanted: opinions on audio equipment
Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio
components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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Wanted: opinions on audio equipment
"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! I think most people on this group consider these devices to be strictly utilitarian. Oddly, I would suggest rec.audio.marketplace. |
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Wanted: opinions on audio equipment
Robert Morein wrote:
"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! I think most people on this group consider these devices to be strictly utilitarian. Meaning they're pretty much all the same? Not really; or at least I hope not -- the one I have now has no capability to shuffle-play by disk (rather than by track), and that's what my query is. It seems like such an obvious feature, yet I can't locate a model that has it. Oddly, I would suggest rec.audio.marketplace. Thanks -- I've posted my query there. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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Wanted: opinions on audio equipment
try www.audioreview.com and see if there's any reviews
Otherwise try the websites of the companies who make these units. Mark Shaw wrote: Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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Wanted: opinions on audio equipment
"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Robert Morein wrote: "Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! I think most people on this group consider these devices to be strictly utilitarian. Meaning they're pretty much all the same? Not really; or at least I hope not -- the one I have now has no capability to shuffle-play by disk (rather than by track), and that's what my query is. It seems like such an obvious feature, yet I can't locate a model that has it. If I understand you correctly, you are looking for a jukebox changer that will shuffle both disc and track, so that all the tracks on all the discs are played once in random order. If that is what you're looking for, forget it. I doubt that ANY such player is on the market. The first problem would be to keep track of all the songs in the player (since this is a shuffle play.) Then there is the delay for disc change, which is much longer than for track change. I imagine this would be exasperating to most users. Besides, why would you want to play any selection in the jukebox in a perfectly random fashion? It doesn't sound to me like a good way to build a playlist. Norm Strong |
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normanstrong wrote: "Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Robert Morein wrote: "Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! I think most people on this group consider these devices to be strictly utilitarian. Meaning they're pretty much all the same? Not really; or at least I hope not -- the one I have now has no capability to shuffle-play by disk (rather than by track), and that's what my query is. It seems like such an obvious feature, yet I can't locate a model that has it. If I understand you correctly, you are looking for a jukebox changer that will shuffle both disc and track, so that all the tracks on all the discs are played once in random order. If that is what you're looking for, forget it. I doubt that ANY such player is on the market. The first problem would be to keep track of all the songs in the player (since this is a shuffle play.) Then there is the delay for disc change, which is much longer than for track change. I imagine this would be exasperating to most users. My Pioneer does this... it's also sitting empty under the stairs, I still can't believe I made such an impulse buy.... that changer seemed to take all the fun out of listening to music, and I've basically abandoned it. I find it much easier to just grab a CD and put it on, than to punch in a number, look up the cover in a book, etc. I think he means he wants it to play random discs though, not tracks.. and this is a feature my Pioneer lacked. Besides, why would you want to play any selection in the jukebox in a perfectly random fashion? It doesn't sound to me like a good way to build a playlist. Norm Strong |
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normanstrong wrote:
"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Meaning they're pretty much all the same? Not really; or at least I hope not -- the one I have now has no capability to shuffle-play by disk (rather than by track), and that's what my query is. It seems like such an obvious feature, yet I can't locate a model that has it. If I understand you correctly, you are looking for a jukebox changer that will shuffle both disc and track, so that all the tracks on all the discs are played once in random order. No. I want the changer to 1. choose a disk at random, 2. play that disk all the way through (i.e. all tracks on the chosen disk, in order), 3. choose another disk at random, and so on. It makes little sense to me to hear a cut from Beethoven's 9th followed immediately by one from Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Or, for that matter, one from Dark Side of the Moon right after one from Physical Graffiti. Anyway, the Sony I have now will not do this, and since it's in the shop and I may have to replace it I'm looking for one that does. No other high-capacity Sony will do it either (I've confirmed this with them). -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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MaxH wrote:
I think he means he wants it to play random discs though, not tracks.. and this is a feature my Pioneer lacked. Exactly. This seems so freakin' BASIC to me. What are these designers thinking? -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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MaxH wrote:
try www.audioreview.com and see if there's any reviews Thanks. Otherwise try the websites of the companies who make these units. Working on that. They're so bloody hard to negotiate, though - particularly Sony's. What a piece of crap! -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Mark Shaw said: Otherwise try the websites of the companies who make these units. Working on that. They're so bloody hard to negotiate, though - particularly Sony's. What a piece of crap! JVC XLMC2000 200 Disc CD Changer Can't find the manual at www.jvc.com; therefore no idea if it'll do that. JVC XL-MC222BK 200-CD Changer Ditto. Pioneer PDF1009 301 Disc Changer Ditto -- Pioneer site forces registration, then gives what it claims is a link to a manual. Link doesn't work. Sony CDP-CX235 200-Disc Mega Changer As previously explained, Sony has confirmed that none of their changers has this feature. Manual confirms that. Whew! Five minutes of Googling. I'm bushed. Thanks anyway. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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MaxH wrote:
My Pioneer does this... it's also sitting empty under the stairs, I still can't believe I made such an impulse buy.... that changer seemed to take all the fun out of listening to music, and I've basically abandoned it. I find it much easier to just grab a CD and put it on, than to punch in a number, look up the cover in a book, etc. I think he means he wants it to play random discs though, not tracks.. and this is a feature my Pioneer lacked. One more reason why more than 6 mllion hard drive based portable players have been sold in the past year. |
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Wanted: opinions on audio equipment
George M. Middius wrote:
Mark Shaw said: JVC XLMC2000 200 Disc CD Changer Can't find the manual at www.jvc.com; therefore no idea if it'll do that. I just told you it could. Why don't you believe me? Because you're the same guy who suggested I get a CD changer with tubes, and in general I don't believe anything posted to usenet by random strangers until I can confirm it. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Another bit of help for the helpless.... JVC XLMC2000 200 Disc CD Changer Can't find the manual at www.jvc.com; therefore no idea if it'll do that. "Play Modes: All Disc Random, Program and Continous play" Very difficult to find. Took 30 seconds. Yes, I found the same thing. But what, exactly, does "all disk random" mean? I guess I could find out, if I could get to a copy of the manual. Look, I really do think you're trying to be helpful -- in a playfully snide and typically usenettish way -- but I don't think you actually know what it is I'm looking for. So, as I said previously: thanks anyway. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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George M. Middius wrote:
I spoon-fed you the obvious fact that it *does* meet your "requirement". Once again: I'm looking for a CD changer that has the capability to shuffle play by disks rather than tracks. In other words, to 1) choose a disk at random 2) play all tracks from that disk, in order 3) Goto (1) Information available at the manufacturers' websites do not confirm that any of the models you "spoon-fed" me has that feature. In fact, one (the Sony) certainly does NOT have that feature. Speaking of features: once again I find myself tipping my hat to the clever person who invented the killfile. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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Mark Shaw a écrit :
George M. Middius wrote: I spoon-fed you the obvious fact that it *does* meet your "requirement". Once again: I'm looking for a CD changer that has the capability to shuffle play by disks rather than tracks. In other words, to 1) choose a disk at random 2) play all tracks from that disk, in order 3) Goto (1) Information available at the manufacturers' websites do not confirm that any of the models you "spoon-fed" me has that feature. In fact, one (the Sony) certainly does NOT have that feature. Speaking of features: once again I find myself tipping my hat to the clever person who invented the killfile. Don't waste your time with Middius, he is a pervert. He just wants to make a fool of you. |
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"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... George M. Middius wrote: I spoon-fed you the obvious fact that it *does* meet your "requirement". Once again: I'm looking for a CD changer that has the capability to shuffle play by disks rather than tracks. In other words, to 1) choose a disk at random 2) play all tracks from that disk, in order 3) Goto (1) Information available at the manufacturers' websites do not confirm that any of the models you "spoon-fed" me has that feature. In fact, one (the Sony) certainly does NOT have that feature. Let's clear up one possible misunderstanding. "Random play" is not the same as "shuffle play". In shuffle play, once a disc is played it's removed from the list of possibilities, and then a random choice is made from the remaining list. Pure random play could easily result in playing the same disc more than once. I guess the easiest way to do this is to randomly order all the slots in the player, and that becomes the playlist. If there's no disc in a particular slot, the player simply goes on to the next slot in the list. This would work well if the player is full or almost full. If there are lots of empty slots, however, it could be a pain. Better, but more difficult in practice, would be to interrogate every slot to find out if there is a disc in it. If so, it becomes part of the possible playlist. Offhand, I can't think of a cheap and easy way to do this. But if we assume that the player has this capability, it would have to remember the entire map of the player and the discs played for a long period of time, since it will take weeks to play every disc in a 300 disc player. If anybody fools around with the player's contents during that period of time, the plan falls apart. What I'm suggesting is that the feature you want is possible, but might prove unsatisfactory in actual practice, and also increase the cost of the player more than is justified. Norm Strong |
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Mark Shaw a écrit :
thanks anyway. ) |
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normanstrong wrote:
"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Once again: I'm looking for a CD changer that has the capability to shuffle play by disks rather than tracks. In other words, to 1) choose a disk at random 2) play all tracks from that disk, in order 3) Goto (1) Information available at the manufacturers' websites do not confirm that any of the models you "spoon-fed" me has that feature. In fact, one (the Sony) certainly does NOT have that feature. Let's clear up one possible misunderstanding. "Random play" is not the same as "shuffle play". In shuffle play, once a disc is played it's removed from the list of possibilities, and then a random choice is made from the remaining list. Pure random play could easily result in playing the same disc more than once. Okay, good point. I'm talking about shuffle play. But if we assume that the player has this capability, it would have to remember the entire map of the player and the discs played for a long period of time, since it will take weeks to play every disc in a 300 disc player. If anybody fools around with the player's contents during that period of time, the plan falls apart. Not necessarily -- just clear the playlist whenever the player is powered off, or perhaps whenever it's stopped. That is, in fact, what happens with my current changer for the per-track shuffle. What I'm suggesting is that the feature you want is possible, but might prove unsatisfactory in actual practice, and also increase the cost of the player more than is justified. I don't see how. The changer I have already shuffles by track, either for one CD, across a particular genre ("group" in Sony- speak), or across the entire library. Somehow it knows only to select populated slots when choosing the next disk -- probably by polling the slots when multi-disk shuffle play is first started. It seems to me that it would be easier, rather than harder, to do this by disks rather than by tracks. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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Maybe what you really want is a sort of huge iPod: a computer where
you could copy over all your songs-not as mp3s but in full uncompressed files-then cache them on the hard drive, and then send them to the sound card or to an outboard DAC-maybe even, if you're so inclined, one with tubes-just as Musicmatch or the iPod would play any available track by whatever criteria, album, song title, et al. This might be possible by using off the shelf software but using Linux and some homebrew apps you could make it really convenient and control it by infrared from a PDA. A cheap PC with 40 or 80 GB hdd can be built up from garage sale prices and used for this purpose alone cheaper than a decent CD player. Only problem might be with DVD-A and SACD where encryption supposedly keeps you away from the bits. I'm sure there's a hack for that too, though. For CDs where 72 minutes of music is roughly 700 MB-but not all CDs have the full 72 minutes (Eroica and all that...)-Pricewatch lists a 200GB EIDE drive for $103. That's more CDs than most changers. Hey, I like 2-inch halftrack tape, push pull tube amps with a grand on the (carbon) plates,and Altec 604s. What do I know? |
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This is the place. And I am the resident expert!
Cheers! MvBB "Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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"normanstrong" wrote in message news:NuJvc.40492$eY2.25953@attbi_s02... "Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Robert Morein wrote: "Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... Where's a good place to post a query for opinions on audio components, specifically large-capacity CD changers? Thanks! I think most people on this group consider these devices to be strictly utilitarian. Meaning they're pretty much all the same? Not really; or at least I hope not -- the one I have now has no capability to shuffle-play by disk (rather than by track), and that's what my query is. It seems like such an obvious feature, yet I can't locate a model that has it. If I understand you correctly, No you don't. Cheers, MvBB |
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"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... George M. Middius wrote: Mark Shaw said: JVC XLMC2000 200 Disc CD Changer Can't find the manual at www.jvc.com; therefore no idea if it'll do that. I just told you it could. Why don't you believe me? Because you're the same guy who suggested I get a CD changer with tubes, and in general I don't believe anything posted to usenet by random strangers until I can confirm it. I have all your answers but it will cost you $125. E-mail me if you're interested. Cheers, MvBB |
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"Mark Shaw" wrote in message ... George M. Middius wrote: Another bit of help for the helpless.... JVC XLMC2000 200 Disc CD Changer Can't find the manual at www.jvc.com; therefore no idea if it'll do that. "Play Modes: All Disc Random, Program and Continous play" Very difficult to find. Took 30 seconds. Yes, I found the same thing. But what, exactly, does "all disk random" mean? Oh dear! I don't think it is a good idea for you to get one of those machines. With so many different disks you will be constantly pondering answers to questions like what, exactly, does "disk number 59" mean? I recommend something simpler. Way simpler. Cheers, MvBB |
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Sam Byrams wrote:
Maybe what you really want is a sort of huge iPod: a computer where you could copy over all your songs-not as mp3s but in full uncompressed files-then cache them on the hard drive, and then send No. What I want is a large-capacity CD changer that will shuffle- play by disk. I thought I'd explained that. (Sorry to be snide, but sheesh -- look at the other responses I've been getting!) The shop called me. They wanted enough $$ to fix my current changer to encourage me to tell them to just pitch it in the dumpster. And I've been going nuts without music (my city is a radio-station waste- land), so I just went out and bought a newer Sony changer. Better the devil you know, and at any rate it'll work with the Nirvis box. Thanks. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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Mark Shaw wrote:
Once again: I'm looking for a CD changer that has the capability to shuffle play by disks rather than tracks. In other words, to 1) choose a disk at random 2) play all tracks from that disk, in order 3) Goto (1) [with a different disk; i.e. shuffle play] In case anyone's still reading this, apparently the combi- nation of a Sony jukebox + Slink-E/CDJ will do this -- according to the Nirvis list, anway. -- Mark Shaw anti-spam: change 'bang' to 'not' to email me ================================================== ====================== "Books... stick egg-beaters in your head and make you think.... They'll shape a personal philosophy that lasts a lifetime." Rob "Acidman" Smith |
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