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CCR "Proud Mary" - anyone know how it was recorded?
I'm doing a soundalike of CCR's Proud Mary for a production class. I
can't find much info on the web about it, which isn't all that surprising; it's not a particularly standout recording. I'm wondering if anyone knows (or can intuit) anything about the instruments, mics, etc. used on it. Obviously it's in mono. I've seen one site say the guitar parts were recorded on a Les Paul, and another says it was a Gibson ES-175. Both agree it was tuned down a whole step. I haven't seen anything about the vocal mic(s), drum mics, or reverb; anyone have any clues? -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | Hi! Faster: jay at jay dot eff-em | Where are we going? http://www.jay.fm | Why am I in this handbasket? |
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I remember seeing a CCR documentary style piece on TV back in the day. Maybe
it is around somewhere in an archive. It was them in their studio etc. --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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"Jay Levitt" wrote in message
... I'm doing a soundalike of CCR's Proud Mary for a production class. I can't find much info on the web about it, which isn't all that surprising; it's not a particularly standout recording. I'm wondering if anyone knows (or can intuit) anything about the instruments, mics, etc. used on it. I'm pretty sure it was engineered by Russ Gary at Wally Heider's in San Francisco. My understanding is that it was done on a 3M 8-track and was virtually all overdubs by John Fogerty. Wally Heider's had more 57s than I'd ever seen in one place at the same time. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Jay Levitt wrote in message ...
I'm doing a soundalike of CCR's Proud Mary for a production class. I can't find much info on the web about it, which isn't all that surprising; it's not a particularly standout recording. I'm wondering if anyone knows (or can intuit) anything about the instruments, mics, etc. used on it. Obviously it's in mono. I've seen one site say the guitar parts were recorded on a Les Paul, and another says it was a Gibson ES-175. Both agree it was tuned down a whole step. I haven't seen anything about the vocal mic(s), drum mics, or reverb; anyone have any clues? I think it was a rickenbacker through Kustom solid state amps. drums sound like ludwigs with the front head off the kick, snare tuned low the mics around were usually u67's, but the choice for some r&b voices was the sm7 because the rough vocal style may come through as sharp sounding on condensers. |
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Jay Levitt
I'm doing a soundalike of CCR's Proud Mary for a production class. I can't find much info on the web about it, which isn't all that surprising; it's not a particularly standout recording. I'm wondering if anyone knows (or can intuit) anything about the instruments, mics, etc. used on it. Obviously it's in mono. I've seen one site say the guitar parts were recorded on a Les Paul, and another says it was a Gibson ES-175. Both agree it was tuned down a whole step. I haven't seen anything about the vocal mic(s), drum mics, or reverb; anyone have any clues? According to Steve Hoffman (who has a nice little Forum, I think he remastered "Cosmo's Factory") the first 3 albums were actually recorded by Hank McGill, I think Russ Gary was the Mixing engineer. (Hank also recorded Vince Guaraldi "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" "A Charlie Brown Christmas", and Wally Heider's studio did the cartoon recordings too. Love the sound on that cartoon.) http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...d=398&highligh t=creedence Steve has also said that the audio quality on some Fantasy records suffered from runs of bad pressings, because while people have often commented on how bad some of their releases sounded on lp, the original masters actually sound fabulous. You might find the remastered CCR recordings (there might even be a SACD) more interesting to listen to. Interesting what Bob Olhsson said about the abundance of SM57s at Heider's. Heider's guys recorded several live albums in Hawaii in the early 70's, I still have a copy of "Waimea Music Festival" where you can see in just about every picture Shure SM54's (same as SM53's with an internal pop filter), and what appears to be a Telefunken Console of some kind in the truck. Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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EggHd wrote: I remember seeing a CCR documentary style piece on TV back in the day. Maybe it is around somewhere in an archive. It was them in their studio etc. I think Mix has also featured some of the CCR songs in their regular column about older rock productions. I don't know if Proud Mary was among them, but just seeing how any of them were done might be of some use. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Can't remember where I read this but I read that CCR's first album was
recorded on a Stephen's machine. Were they around at that time? The forst machines were on 3M transports with Stephens electronics. --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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So was the Doors Live Album...8 track Stephens
--------------- Mike wrote: ospam (WillStG) wrote in message ... Jay Levitt I'm doing a soundalike of CCR's Proud Mary for a production class. I can't find much info on the web about it, which isn't all that surprising; it's not a particularly standout recording. I'm wondering if anyone knows (or can intuit) anything about the instruments, mics, etc. used on it. Obviously it's in mono. I've seen one site say the guitar parts were recorded on a Les Paul, and another says it was a Gibson ES-175. Both agree it was tuned down a whole step. I haven't seen anything about the vocal mic(s), drum mics, or reverb; anyone have any clues? According to Steve Hoffman (who has a nice little Forum, I think he remastered "Cosmo's Factory") the first 3 albums were actually recorded by Hank McGill, I think Russ Gary was the Mixing engineer. (Hank also recorded Vince Guaraldi "A Boy Named Charlie Brown" "A Charlie Brown Christmas", and Wally Heider's studio did the cartoon recordings too. Love the sound on that cartoon.) http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...d=398&highligh t=creedence Steve has also said that the audio quality on some Fantasy records suffered from runs of bad pressings, because while people have often commented on how bad some of their releases sounded on lp, the original masters actually sound fabulous. You might find the remastered CCR recordings (there might even be a SACD) more interesting to listen to. Interesting what Bob Olhsson said about the abundance of SM57s at Heider's. Heider's guys recorded several live albums in Hawaii in the early 70's, I still have a copy of "Waimea Music Festival" where you can see in just about every picture Shure SM54's (same as SM53's with an internal pop filter), and what appears to be a Telefunken Console of some kind in the truck. Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits Can't remember where I read this but I read that CCR's first album was recorded on a Stephen's machine. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:59:47 +0100, Jay Levitt wrote
(in article ): Obviously it's in mono. I've seen one site say the guitar parts were recorded on a Les Paul, and another says it was a Gibson ES-175. Both agree it was tuned down a whole step. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guys over on the Both Sides Now stereo discussion group seem to think that most of the Creedence hits are actually in stereo, but some of the tracks (like this one) just have very little separation. My memory of checking out that song on a Tek phase scope revealed it wasn't exactly a flat line, and did have a little teeny bit of separation here and there. It's not synthesized stereo, but it's not mono, either. I think Fogerty wanted the stereo record to have the same punch as the mono single, and that was the easiest way to do it. For more, check out the BSN discussion group: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/bsnpubs Lotta very good information there, --MFW |
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Marc Wielage
Jay Levitt wrote Obviously it's in mono. I've seen one site say the guitar parts were recorded on a Les Paul, and another says it was a Gibson ES-175. Both agree it was tuned down a whole step. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guys over on the Both Sides Now stereo discussion group seem to think that most of the Creedence hits are actually in stereo, but some of the tracks (like this one) just have very little separation. My memory of checking out that song on a Tek phase scope revealed it wasn't exactly a flat line, and did have a little teeny bit of separation here and there. It's not synthesized stereo, but it's not mono, either. I think Fogerty wanted the stereo record to have the same punch as the mono single, and that was the easiest way to do it. For more, check out the BSN discussion group: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/bsnpubs Lotta very good information there, Mastering Ace Steve Hoffman says "No, it is stereo, just *very* narrow. Same deal with Lodi, Bad Moon Rising, and Sweet Hitch Hiker. No idea why Fogerty would have mixed those particular songs that narrow... Mixed just when mono was going out. Stereo mono compatibility problems worried them, so they did the narrowest stereo mix in history." Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"Marc Wielage" wrote:
[...] My memory of checking out that song on a Tek phase scope revealed it wasn't exactly a flat line, and did have a little teeny bit of separation here and there. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. I have a Tek sitting on top of the console, and I get some L-R even on individual mics feeding the master buss directly. I suspect it has to do with the small amounts of crosstalk present in any stereo analog signal chain. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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