[Szymon £ukowski]

Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Go, right now, and try the RE-20 and the MD421. You'll find the RE-20
has better gain before feedback than the 421.

If you really, really need more gain before feedback, look into the MD441.

Also, try the Beyer M160, but be aware that it's pretty delicate and needs
to be treated carefully. I know that's not always possible. It will have
a more forward sound than the original MD421 or the RE-20.

Note that the new MD421 Mk. II is nothing like the original 421, and
should be avoided.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On Mar 17, 7:48*am, Szymon Ùukowski wrote:
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, *bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics *from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

Older MD421 (not the new one), RE20, MD441, into a good preamp.
Personally I reach for the MD441 first, into a Great River MP2.

bobs

BS Studios / SoundSmith Labs
we organize chaos

[Paul Stamler]

"Szymon £ukowski" wrote in message
...

Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

The RE20 will do a good job. Sennheiser's earlier model of the MD421 will
too, but the new model (Mark 2) has a shrieky top end which I don't like.
Forget the AKGs. The NT2a will probably be okay, but I'd choose the RE20 or
a used MD421 original model first, both for sound quality and ruggedness.

You might also consider a Shure SM81.

Peace,
Paul

[[email protected]]

On 17 mar, 18:17, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
"Szymon £ukowski" wrote in message

...
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Studio Projects C-4

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

beyer m260, no doubt

[Carey Carlan]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in
:

In article
,

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Go, right now, and try the RE-20 and the MD421. You'll find the RE-20
has better gain before feedback than the 421.

If you really, really need more gain before feedback, look into the
MD441.

Also, try the Beyer M160, but be aware that it's pretty delicate and
needs to be treated carefully. I know that's not always possible. It
will have a more forward sound than the original MD421 or the RE-20.

Note that the new MD421 Mk. II is nothing like the original 421, and
should be avoided.
--scott

In Scott's vein of dynamic and ribbon mics, I really like my old RCA 77D on
tenor sax. Both delicate and expensive (these days!) but cool sounding.

[Fletch]

Szymon £ukowski wrote:
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

Okay, call me stupid, but I really like the old sm57 on horns, and
through a decent preamp like the RNP or better, the mic will sound far
superior to anything a typical board pre will offer.

Sometimes a simple arrangement works best.

I do like the RE 20, though. It's a good choice for many different
applications.

--Fletch

[David Light]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT),
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Szymon_=A3ukowski?= wrote:

Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

I almost always use Senn. MD421 on sax. Mine are old ones, I don't
know about the new ones.

I wish I could find a worthy clip on type mic for sax that would
allow the players to not have to pay attention to staying on mic.

[Scott Dorsey]

nebulax wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
In article
,

Also, try the Beyer M160, but be aware that it's pretty delicate and needs
to be treated carefully. I know that's not always possible. It will have
a more forward sound than the original MD421 or the RE-20.

Huh? I thought the M160 was supposed to be really flat. I've never owned
one, but I did have a M260, and it was almost dull sounding (in that nice
ribbon sort of way).

It's pretty flat, and it has no presence peak. Neither does the original
MD421 or the RE-20. But it'll be more blatty on horns than the MD421
and RE-20 are.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:56:18 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ):

In article
,

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Go, right now, and try the RE-20 and the MD421. You'll find the RE-20
has better gain before feedback than the 421.

If you really, really need more gain before feedback, look into the MD441.

Also, try the Beyer M160, but be aware that it's pretty delicate and needs
to be treated carefully. I know that's not always possible. It will have
a more forward sound than the original MD421 or the RE-20.

We tried the m160 and a Schoeps cmc641 on an alto sax last year here.

I thought the m160 (newly reribboned at the factory) would be killer. The
Schoeps won, hands down.

You can hear it on Karyn Oliver's "Oh America."

http://tinyurl.com/2lfk5g

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[cedricl]

On Mar 17, 7:48*am, Szymon Ùukowski wrote:
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, *bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics *from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

If you can find an old Sennheiser 409 for clarinets, those are great.
They work on saxes too but I use a Studio Projects C1 on the tenor
with great results.

[geezer[_2_]]

On Mar 18, 7:48*pm, cedricl wrote:


If you can find an old Sennheiser 409 for clarinets, those are great.


The MD 409 is one of my all time favorite mics. Love it on brass &
percussion. Have used it as a vocal mic, as well. I have one I'll
never part with, only wish I'd bought two, back when. The other
dynamic I'd try out would be the beyer M88.

As for modern condensers, I'd probably put up one my AT 4051s, a Blue
Mouse & a Dragonfly, and my oktava 012 w/ the LOMO cap, and see which
one I liked the sound of.

-glenn

[Tim Padrick]

"Fletch" wrote in message
...
Szymon £ukowski wrote:
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

Okay, call me stupid, but I really like the old sm57 on horns, and through
a decent preamp like the RNP or better, the mic will sound far superior to
anything a typical board pre will offer.

Sometimes a simple arrangement works best.

I do like the RE 20, though. It's a good choice for many different
applications.

--Fletch

57? Ugh. And I was thinking that you were the man ;-) I'll take an Audix
D4 over a 57 on anything.

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:48:43 -0400, cedricl wrote
(in article
):

On Mar 17, 7:48*am, Szymon Ùukowski wrote:
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, *bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics *from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

If you can find an old Sennheiser 409 for clarinets, those are great.
They work on saxes too but I use a Studio Projects C1 on the tenor
with great results.

can that be heard anywhere?

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU

[WillStG]

On Mar 17, 10:48*am, Szymon Ùukowski wrote:
Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
both tenor & soprano saxophones, *bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics *from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

Branford Marsalis' tour rider has had a pair of RE20's speced for
his Soprano sax. Used spaced, not X/Y.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Szymon £ukowski]

Hi everyone,

I've tested some mics during our sound engineering classes in my
Academy of Music. I've played to the following mics: Sennheiser 421,
two Neumanns U87 (one of them was 'looking' to the bell of instrument,
another stood 1/2 m further and was angled), AKG C414, Schoeps (don't
remember the model) and DPA 3503 Stereo Kit. I found 421 sounding very
flat, with almost no dynamic range. I compared two 421 (vintage &
new), and both sounded just awful on tenor - the sound was very
metallic (maybe that was the distortion problem?) and without the
body. U87 (the bell one) was one of two good (naturally) sounding
mics; the second one which worked well was AKG C414. The sound on C414
was very soft, with great depth and very well-balanced (I tried all
the mics without the mixing desk correction and no reverb - only raw
signal to ProTools) on the whole range of instrument. U87 sounded
fine, very similar to C414, but it had a increased amount middle range
tones - is it normal in these mics? Maybe on the stage and with a
touch of reverb it will sound different. Anyway, sound was smooth, and
very clear without any distortions. I haven't tested RE-20 due to that
when I was there, the mic was hired for somebody; I hope that I will
be able to test RE-20 & RE-27.

Regards,
Szymon �ukowski

P.S.: I've heard from my friend that Oktava microphones tend to work
very good on saxophones, and they are very well priced, but I don't
know that brand and I haven't tested them yet. Do you have any
experiences with them, or maybe further recommendations? Any input
will be greatly appreciated.

On 20 Mar, 02:11, WillStG wrote:
On Mar 17, 10:48 am, Szymon Ùukowski wrote:



Hi everyone. That's my first post here, but I'm reading the newsgroup
since 2006. I'd like to ask you about using condenser microphones for
bothtenor&sopranosaxophones, bass clarinet and clarinet. I'm
looking for a mic which will work fine in the homerecording
applications and on live performance. I considered some mics from
various manufacturers, especially AKG, Rode & Sennheiser. Here's the
list of mics which are in my budget range:

AKG:
Perception 400, C2000, C3000, C4000

Audio Technica:
AT3035

Sennheiser:
MD421U-2,

Rode:
NT1000, NT2000, NT1-A, NT2-A

Electro-Voice RE-20

I have no experiences with these microphones, except of Rode NT1-A,
and it worked very well in the studio; I've seen some player like
Joshua Redman using RE20 & MD421 for miking their saxophones, but
personally I hadn't a chance to test them in live performance
situation. Could you recommend me something which will work good? Or,
maybe you have other mic suggestions?

Best Regards,
Szymon £ukowski.

Branford Marsalis' tour rider has had a pair of RE20's speced for
hisSopranosax. Used spaced, not X/Y.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits