I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record for about 2 hours in
wav format, or much longer using one of the ATRAC protocols. It has to have
an LCD or OLED display with level indicator; it has to use off the shelf
batteries--preferably AA.

Other requirements: Both line and mike inputs. The mike input should have
plug-in power and a choice of sensitivities. Rapid downloading to my
computer as wav files. (Recordings will be edited on the computer and
transferred to CD.) The back side should not have any controls on it, since
I will be fastening it to a flat surface during use.

Do not need, or even want, a remote control. No radio.

I'm going to use this for remote recording. I'm trying to get the price
down to $200 or less, otherwise I'd use one of those M-audio devices
designed for the purpose.

Thanks,

Norm Strong

[Goaty]

http://www.minidisc.org/himd_table.html

Cheers
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[Mike Rivers]

wrote:
I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record for about 2 hours in
wav format

Is that possible? I guess it would have to be mono to do that.

Sony is supposed to be introducing a new Minidisk at NAMM. If there's
any there there, I'll let you know.

I'm going to use this for remote recording. I'm trying to get the price
down to $200 or less

Wishful thinking, I think.

[Chevdo]

In article .com,
says...


wrote:
I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record for about 2 hours in
wav format

Is that possible? I guess it would have to be mono to do that.


I dont know what he means by 'wav format' but ATRAC LP4 turns an 80min minidisc
into a 4 hour minidisc, with decreased quality of course.

Sony is supposed to be introducing a new Minidisk at NAMM. If there's
any there there, I'll let you know.

I'm going to use this for remote recording. I'm trying to get the price
down to $200 or less

Wishful thinking, I think.


Yeah but you're a twit. I just bought an mz-r700 which has almost every
feature he asked for except for usb transfers and switchable mic/line input for
$35, and it came with a bunch of discs, case, and other extras. The mz-r900 is
exactly the same except WITH switchable mic/line input. One of the new ones
WITH usb transfer AND non-compressed PCM such as the MZ-RH710 costs much less
than $200, which you would have known if you had clicked the link Goaty already
posted, but I know you're too lazy to fact check before posting your BS, even
when the means to fact check is dangled right under your nose... (though
figuring the exchange of euros as listed on the minidisc.org site is probably
beyond your capability...)

[Mike Rivers]

Chevdo wrote:

I dont know what he means by 'wav format'

Well then you're an ignorant ranter who has no business responding to
this thread. "WAV" is a file format for digital audio that's been
standardized by Microsoft. It's your basic audio file these days.

but ATRAC LP4 turns an 80min minidisc
into a 4 hour minidisc, with decreased quality of course.

So how do you get 2 hours without ATRAC compression? That was the
question. Do you have any theories? Perhaps the HD Minidisk that can
record an hour of stereo without compression can record two hours of
mono?

Getting a WAV file out of a Minidisk used to be quite a trick, but I
understand that they've straightened that out with this new generation.


Yeah but you're a twit.

What's that got to do with the subject? I demonstrated that you were
ignorant.

I just bought an mz-r700 which has almost every
feature he asked for except for usb transfers and switchable mic/line input for
$35, and it came with a bunch of discs, case, and other extras.

You think this is the ****ing shopping channel?

(though
figuring the exchange of euros as listed on the minidisc.org site is probably
beyond your capability...)

Euros? I thought that symbol like a Y with a line through it was Yen.

Geez, what a jerk. Get this guy outa here before I come over and rip
out his keyboard.

[Philipp Wachtel]

Mike Rivers:

Chevdo wrote:

I dont know what he means by 'wav format'

Well then you're an ignorant ranter who has no business responding to
this thread. "WAV" is a file format for digital audio that's been
standardized by Microsoft. It's your basic audio file these days.

WAV has been around for I-don´t-know-how-many-years-now (it even existed
in Win3.11).... it´s not a "new" thing at all.

Getting a WAV file out of a Minidisk used to be quite a trick, but I
understand that they've straightened that out with this new
generation.

Sony has/had a special software to extract WAV from Hi-MD recorders via
the USB connection.

I just bought an mz-r700 which has almost every
feature he asked for except for usb transfers and switchable
mic/line input for $35, and it came with a bunch of discs, case, and
other extras.

The MZ-R700 is an old model, not one from the newer Hi-MD series! I
can´t record uncompressed linear PCM format (like WAV). I doubt, you´ll
find a Hi-MD recorder for that price...

You think this is the ****ing shopping channel?

Does Chevdo think at all? Most of his posts reveal, that he obviously
does not... At least nothing, that has to do with the subject.

Geez, what a jerk. Get this guy outa here before I come over and rip
out his keyboard.

Calm down, Mike! Your time can be spent better than that ;-)


Phil

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

Mike Rivers:

Chevdo wrote:

I dont know what he means by 'wav format'

Well then you're an ignorant ranter who has no business responding to
this thread. "WAV" is a file format for digital audio that's been
standardized by Microsoft. It's your basic audio file these days.

WAV has been around for I-don´t-know-how-many-years-now (it even existed
in Win3.11).... it´s not a "new" thing at all.


I didn't say I didn't know what 'wav' was, I said I didn't know what he meant
by a 'wav file' '..that uses ATRAC', since no such thing exists. I guess
Rivers assumed that I might in fact be as stupid as he is, but that is a very
stupid assumption to make. And as for Phil, he appears to be just as stupid as
Rivers, no surprise there.




Getting a WAV file out of a Minidisk used to be quite a trick, but I
understand that they've straightened that out with this new
generation.

Sony has/had a special software to extract WAV from Hi-MD recorders via
the USB connection.


That's right, but why are you responding to two people in one post, moron?

I just bought an mz-r700 which has almost every
feature he asked for except for usb transfers and switchable
mic/line input for $35, and it came with a bunch of discs, case, and
other extras.

The MZ-R700 is an old model, not one from the newer Hi-MD series! I
can´t record uncompressed linear PCM format (like WAV). I doubt, you´ll
find a Hi-MD recorder for that price...

Doubt all you want, but if you're willing to buy one for a lot more than it
sounds like I could make a tidy profit selling you one for much more than they
retail for, but for the amount you think they should retail for. I'm always
prepard to take advantage of suckers...



You think this is the ****ing shopping channel?

Does Chevdo think at all? Most of his posts reveal, that he obviously
does not... At least nothing, that has to do with the subject.


You can't even figure out if you're responding to Mike's reply or mine at any
given moment, Phil. What a clown.

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...


I just bought an mz-r700 which has almost every
feature he asked for except for usb transfers and switchable
mic/line input for $35, and it came with a bunch of discs, case, and
other extras.

The MZ-R700 is an old model, not one from the newer Hi-MD series! I
can´t record uncompressed linear PCM format (like WAV). I doubt, you´ll
find a Hi-MD recorder for that price...


read the original post, ****-for-brains. Norm did not ask for a unit
that records uncompressed PCM, he asked for a unit that records
highly-compressed ATRAC (ie LP4) that can record for "more than two hours" per
disc. Besides which, I did not present the mz-R700 as a unit that met all of
his requirements, and I specifically listed which of his requirements that it
lacked! I mentioned it simply to point out that decent minidisc players can be
obtained very cheaply. If you ever end up actually responding to anything I've
said rather than heroically beating strawmen you set up, I'll be the first to
let you know...

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

Does Chevdo think at all? Most of his posts reveal, that he obviously
does not... At least nothing, that has to do with the subject.


Oh and BTW, Phil, your erroneous over-used placement of commas in that sentence
does not serve to make you look as smart as you hoped it would when you decided
to use them. On the contrary, they serve only to verify your illiteracy.


But perhaps you, used them, that way, to make it, look like you, are talking
like, William Shatner, in a particularly, dramatic, scene.

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

Getting a WAV file out of a Minidisk used to be quite a trick, but I
understand that they've straightened that out with this new
generation.

Sony has/had a special software to extract WAV from Hi-MD recorders via
the USB connection.


But do either of you make-believe experts have any idea how fast it transfers
those files? Because Norm DID specify he wanted a quick transfer. You do
realize that regardless of whether USB or analog output is used to transfer the
files, to get them moving at more than 1x speed the motor will have to spin
that much faster. Did either of you clowns stop to consider if there are ANY
minidisc units on the market with motors that spin faster than 1x for USB
transfer? Didn't think so. But then I know that the bulk of responders to
questions on rec.audio.pro are unconcerned about answering the question, their
main motive for responding is the ubiquitous ego-stroke. Which is why
all but the simplest questions rarely ever get answered here, and when they
are they are inevitably buried among the noise of irrelevent replies.

[Chevdo]

In article oiitg.49200$B91.47678@edtnps82, says...

In article ,
says...

Mike Rivers:

Chevdo wrote:

I dont know what he means by 'wav format'

Well then you're an ignorant ranter who has no business responding to
this thread. "WAV" is a file format for digital audio that's been
standardized by Microsoft. It's your basic audio file these days.

WAV has been around for I-don´t-know-how-many-years-now (it even existed
in Win3.11).... it´s not a "new" thing at all.


I didn't say I didn't know what 'wav' was, I said I didn't know what he meant
by a 'wav file' '..that uses ATRAC', since no such thing exists. I guess
Rivers assumed that I might in fact be as stupid as he is, but that is a very
stupid assumption to make. And as for Phil, he appears to be just as stupid
as
Rivers, no surprise there.


BTW, it's particularly comical that you two would carry on as if you actually
think I don't know what a wav file is. In Rivers' case this is clearly
motivated by the fact that I routinely chastise him for displaying his
incredible ignorance on the simplest concepts, analogous to not knowing what a
..wav file is. So he jumped at the chance to pretend that I meant that I didn't
know what a .wav file was, when in fact I was responding to the original post
that referred to a compressed .wav file, when in fact .wav is a non-compressed
format. Rivers benefits from the fact that most people reading his response,
like Phil, don't have short-term memory capable of even recalling what the
original question was after reading a few responses to it. So Phil, and most
readers, will assume that Rivers' attempt to portray me as not knowing what a
..wav file was, is accurate. When stupid people compound their idiocy an
exponentially retarded conclusion is reached...

Now you might all be wondering, wait a minute, how could Mike Rivers be so
ignorant as to not know, for example, that Windows CD-rom drives don't use
drivers, and still consider himself to be an expert in computer-related
technology? You might think, wouldn't the realization of such drastic
ignorance cause him to re-evaluate his so-called expertise? Well, probably
not, and that's because of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_Syndrome

"The Dunning-Kruger effect is the phenomenon whereby people who have little
knowledge systematically think that they know more than others who have much
more knowledge. In a phrase, clueless people think they are smart.

Though many people have noticed this, it was rigorously demonstrated in a
series of experiments performed by Justin Kruger and David Dunning, then both
of Cornell University. Their results were published in the Journal of
Personality and Social Psychology in December, 1999.

Their study involved giving people tests of their knowledge in various domains,
then asking them how they thought they did. People at the bottom of the results
tended to hugely overestimate their abilities. As Dunning and Kruger noted,

"Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom
quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th
percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd." Meanwhile, people
with true knowledge tended to underestimate their competence. ""

[Julian]

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:17:31 -0700, wrote:

I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record for about 2 hours in
wav format, or much longer using one of the ATRAC protocols. It has to have
an LCD or OLED display with level indicator; it has to use off the shelf
batteries--preferably AA.

Hi MD discs hold around 94 minutes stereo when recording uncompressed.

I'm going to use this for remote recording. I'm trying to get the price
down to $200 or less, otherwise I'd use one of those M-audio devices
designed for the purpose.

I think you need to spend more a little than $200 to get these
features in a minidisc recorder. The Sony RH1is selling for about
$320, and the Sony MZ-RH10 for $225.

Julian

[Anahata]

Julian wrote:


I think you need to spend more a little than $200 to get these
features in a minidisc recorder. The Sony RH1is selling for about
$320, and the Sony MZ-RH10 for $225.

I suspect that's going to be too much for the OP.

If it weren't for price, the Edirol R-09 is a no-brainer choice that
does everything asked for, except it doesn't acryally use MD.

Anahata

[Lorin David Schultz]

Mike Rivers wrote:

Geez, what a jerk. Get this guy outa here before I come over and rip
out his keyboard.


Rivers, will you PLEASE stop feeding the ****ing troll. If there's some
reason you won't just apply a killfile, at least bite your lip and
ignore the idiot.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[Chevdo]

In article ,
says...

Julian wrote:


I think you need to spend more a little than $200 to get these
features in a minidisc recorder. The Sony RH1is selling for about
$320, and the Sony MZ-RH10 for $225.

I suspect that's going to be too much for the OP.

And why would $25 more than his specified 'around $200' be too much for him?


If it weren't for price, the Edirol R-09 is a no-brainer choice that
does everything asked for, except it doesn't acryally use MD.


And it also costs $400, and he already mentioned he'd use something like that
if he could afford it. In other words, you added nothing of relevence with
your post.

[Steve]

Chevdo wrote:
In article ,
says...


I just bought an mz-r700 which has almost every
feature he asked for except for usb transfers and switchable
mic/line input for $35, and it came with a bunch of discs, case, and
other extras.

The MZ-R700 is an old model, not one from the newer Hi-MD series! I
can´t record uncompressed linear PCM format (like WAV). I doubt, you´ll
find a Hi-MD recorder for that price...


read the original post, ****-for-brains. Norm did not ask for a unit
that records uncompressed PCM, he asked for a unit that records
highly-compressed ATRAC (ie LP4) that can record for "more than two hours" per
disc. Besides which, I did not present the mz-R700 as a unit that met all of
his requirements, and I specifically listed which of his requirements that it
lacked! I mentioned it simply to point out that decent minidisc players can be
obtained very cheaply. If you ever end up actually responding to anything I've
said rather than heroically beating strawmen you set up, I'll be the first to
let you know...

Here are the otiginal first few lines of the original post:

"I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record for about 2
hours in
wav format, or much longer using one of the ATRAC protocols."

Wave format is an uncompressed PCM format.

Now please go away, learn to read and stop annoying the grownups with
your arrogant,
ignorant and unnecessarily abusive posts.

Steve Lane

[Mike Rivers]

Chevdo wrote:

read the original post, ****-for-brains.

I re-read the original post ****-for-brains. I'll paste it here so you
won't have to:

"I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record for about 2
hours in
wav format, or much longer using one of the ATRAC protocols. "

Norm did not ask for a unit
that records uncompressed PCM, he asked for a unit that records
highly-compressed ATRAC (ie LP4) that can record for "more than two hours" per
disc.

The two of you seem to want to interpret the English language rather
loosely. Perhaps I misinterptred Norm's query, but I didn't interpret
that as "either/or." You apparrently interpreted it so that you could
give a controversial answer. Think about what the original poster might
have actually been asking for.

Since he asked for uncompressed PCM (the almost universal form useful
to a computer is a WAV file) it's reasonable to interpret that he
want's this, and in addition, possibly, a highly compressed alternative
which would give him "much longer" recording time. Norm's not ignorant.
In his original post, he acknowledged that portable MD recorders
universally incorportate ATRAC protocol and what that does. He also
understands that this is not uncompressed PCM, and not his primary
requirement.

Besides which, I did not present the mz-R700 as a unit that met all of
his requirements

Then you _did_ understand that his requirement was for an uncompressed
audio format. So why did you bother to give an answer that did not
offer what he was looking for? Just to show what you bought? We used to
have show-and-tell in the third grade. Maybe you should try a different
venue to display your toys.

I specifically listed which of his requirements that it lacked!

And this is of value how? And to whom?

I mentioned it simply to point out that decent minidisc players can be
obtained very cheaply.

Well, everybody knows that. Like I said, this isn't the Shopping
Channel. If you had something useful to share, like a high density MD
recorder that cost less than $200, or a reasonably credible statement
(though I don't know who would believe you any more) that none were
available for $200 unless it was outside the normal retail channel,
then you might have had a useful contribution.

And if you had answered my question - how do you get 2 hours of
uncompressed audio on a HD minidisk - that might have been useful as
well. But as usual, you just shot off your mouth without contributing
anything useful to the discussion. In information theory, we have a
name for this. It's called "noise."

[Arny Krueger]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
oups.com
wrote:
I'm looking for a portable MD recorder that will record
for about 2 hours in wav format

Is that possible? I guess it would have to be mono to do
that.

Sony is supposed to be introducing a new Minidisk at
NAMM. If there's any there there, I'll let you know.

*another* new MD format?

Looks like a sign of despiration.

[Julian]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:23:54 +0100, Anahata
wrote:

Julian wrote:


I think you need to spend more a little than $200 to get these
features in a minidisc recorder. The Sony RH1is selling for about
$320, and the Sony MZ-RH10 for $225.

I suspect that's going to be too much for the OP.

That's too bad too because the M-Audio has not gotten very good
reviews.

If it weren't for price, the Edirol R-09 is a no-brainer choice that
does everything asked for, except it doesn't acryally use MD.

yes, there are times when a cheap removable disc is just the ticket
but the R-09 is looking pretty darn good to me too these days.

Julian