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Setup for recording classical guitar
Hi folks -
I've read through the archives, and I wanted to run past y'all what I'm planning and see what you think. I'll be recording three pieces on classical guitar, in my (untreated 14x17) master bedroom. I'm planning on using two small diaphragm condensors (MXL 603s - supposedly matched), one about 6 inches away, pointed at the body/neck join level to the body, and the other about 18 inches away and maybe 6 inches up. They'll be running into a Lexicon Omega, connected to my DAW in another room. I do have other mics available (mostly more MXL's, to be honest), but based on what I've read here, it looks like the small diaphragms are the better choice. The room isn't very live, and I know I'll get some flutter echoes if I'm not careful with volume and placement (parallel walls and a vaulted ceiling). The recording isn't for publication, it's to let the friend of mine who built it and hasn't heard it have an idea of how it sounds, but I want to do it as right as I can. Thanks - -- jtougas "listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door let's go" - e.e. cummings |
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jtougas wrote: I'll be recording three pieces on classical guitar, in my (untreated 14x17) master bedroom. I'm planning on using two small diaphragm condensors (MXL 603s - supposedly matched), one about 6 inches away, pointed at the body/neck join level to the body, and the other about 18 inches away and maybe 6 inches up. They'll be running into a Lexicon Omega, connected to my DAW in another room. I'd set them up as a crossed stereo pair out a foot to a foot and a half, moving them around until you get a good balance over the range of the instrument. By keeping them near-coincident, you won't have phase cancellation of certain frequencies as you might have with two mics at different distances from the body. Try sitting in or near a conrner, facing the center of the room. Take an evening to experiment with setups, both for you and the mics. You probably won't get it right the first time. Don't just set it like someone tells you and go. Try something, listen, try something else, listen again, figure out what sounds different, and which you like better, then try another position. |
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I'll be recording three pieces on classical guitar, in my (untreated
14x17) master bedroom. I'm planning on using two small diaphragm condensors (MXL 603s - supposedly matched), one about 6 inches away, pointed at the body/neck join level to the body, and the other about 18 inches away and maybe 6 inches up. They'll be running into a Lexicon Omega, connected to my DAW in another room. Unless you're using them as a stereo pair, matching is hardly relevant. You're TRYING to get different sounds from two different placements. Some would say that completely differing microphones would give more chance of getting something useful. But do, as suggested, try micing in stereo. Mount the two mics as a pair and experiment to find the sweet spot. Don't assume this will necessarily be directly in front of the guitar, or at the same height as the guitar. Does it sound good at your ears? Which way are THEY pointing? Could you get the mic pair in a similar position? It's worth a try. |
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I'm planning on using two small diaphragm
condensors (MXL 603s - supposedly matched), one about 6 inches away, pointed at the body/neck join level to the body, and the other about 18 inches away and maybe 6 inches up. For classical guitar this is extremely close. Although I don't agree with the many classical guitarists I've worked with who want to mic from at least 10 feet away, six inches is really going to constitute a special effect-y recording. I would do an XY (or slightly modified wider XY) at least 2 feet out, in order to obtain a blend of the various areas of the soundboard, soundhole & a bit of surrounding ambience. Scott Fraser |
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Scott Fraser wrote:
For classical guitar this is extremely close. [...] I would do an XY (or slightly modified wider XY) at least 2 feet out, in order to obtain a blend And do something about the room (as described in OP). Even if it's just stacking up some sofa cushions against a wall or in a corner, or hanging some thick towelling or curtain material over something not too close to the wall. -- Anahata -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk Home: 01638 720444 Mob: 07976 263827 |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 02:35:38 -0400, jtougas wrote
(in article ): Hi folks - I've read through the archives, and I wanted to run past y'all what I'm planning and see what you think. I'll be recording three pieces on classical guitar, in my (untreated 14x17) master bedroom. I'm planning on using two small diaphragm condensors (MXL 603s - supposedly matched), one about 6 inches away, pointed at the body/neck join level to the body, and the other about 18 inches away and maybe 6 inches up. They'll be running into a Lexicon Omega, connected to my DAW in another room. I do have other mics available (mostly more MXL's, to be honest), but based on what I've read here, it looks like the small diaphragms are the better choice. The room isn't very live, and I know I'll get some flutter echoes if I'm not careful with volume and placement (parallel walls and a vaulted ceiling). The recording isn't for publication, it's to let the friend of mine who built it and hasn't heard it have an idea of how it sounds, but I want to do it as right as I can. Thanks - I wouldn't be happy with that room, those mics or that setup. YMMV. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 16:15:19 -0400, Ty Ford
trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write: I wouldn't be happy with that room, those mics or that setup. YMMV. Fine. Send me a new house, some boutique mics, and a new recording setup. ;-) The master bedroom's the best room I've got. It may not be perfect, but at least it's got a kingsize bed at the other end of the room to break up the bass. The next best one is the living room, which has some serious flutter echoes in it. The other two rooms in the house are 10x11, waay too close to square. I can't afford to buy any better mics, unless you want to send me some. The other mics I own are an SM58, 57, a few AKG D770s, a CAD KBM 412, a Samson C1, an MXL V67G, and an MXL V67 Mogami. Like I said, basement. As for the Lexicon, I've actually been pretty happy with the sound of it, but this is going to be my first mic'd recording with it. I have recorded my synth, my guitars, and my bass through it, though. The DI in it sounds great, and it's feature set is good for the money. Don't get me wrong, it's not the tier of equipment I'd like to be running with, but you work with what you've got. I'll post a link when I'm finished, for critique. -- jtougas "listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door let's go" - e.e. cummings |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 21:00:46 -0400, jtougas wrote
(in article ): On Wed, 3 May 2006 16:15:19 -0400, Ty Ford trained 100 monkeys to jump on the keyboard and write: I wouldn't be happy with that room, those mics or that setup. YMMV. Fine. Send me a new house, some boutique mics, and a new recording setup. ;-) The master bedroom's the best room I've got. It may not be perfect, but at least it's got a kingsize bed at the other end of the room to break up the bass. The next best one is the living room, which has some serious flutter echoes in it. The other two rooms in the house are 10x11, waay too close to square. I can't afford to buy any better mics, unless you want to send me some. The other mics I own are an SM58, 57, a few AKG D770s, a CAD KBM 412, a Samson C1, an MXL V67G, and an MXL V67 Mogami. Like I said, basement. As for the Lexicon, I've actually been pretty happy with the sound of it, but this is going to be my first mic'd recording with it. I have recorded my synth, my guitars, and my bass through it, though. The DI in it sounds great, and it's feature set is good for the money. Don't get me wrong, it's not the tier of equipment I'd like to be running with, but you work with what you've got. I'll post a link when I'm finished, for critique. Don't be afraid to use ONE mic and put it 4-5 inches off where the neck joins the body. If you get too much boom, go further up the neck. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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jtougas wrote:
Hi folks - I've read through the archives, and I wanted to run past y'all what I'm planning and see what you think. I'll be recording three pieces on classical guitar, in my (untreated 14x17) master bedroom. I'm planning on using two small diaphragm condensors (MXL 603s - supposedly matched), one about 6 inches away, pointed at the body/neck join level to the body, and the other about 18 inches away and maybe 6 inches up. They'll be running into a Lexicon Omega, connected to my DAW in another room. I'd probably use an X/Y pair for this, pulling back enough to get the whole guitar into the sonic picture, but not so far as to invite the room all the way into the scene. I do have other mics available (mostly more MXL's, to be honest), but based on what I've read here, it looks like the small diaphragms are the better choice. The room isn't very live, and I know I'll get some flutter echoes if I'm not careful with volume and placement (parallel walls and a vaulted ceiling). Have any gobos or any other something(s) you could use to baffle somewhat how much of the room the mics hear? Sometimes apt placement of such eliminates some particular echo or other unfortunate ambience. -- ha The recording isn't for publication, it's to let the friend of mine who built it and hasn't heard it have an idea of how it sounds, but I want to do it as right as I can. Thanks - |
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