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Rode S1 vs. Neumann KMS 105
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ぎ) is
less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ぎ). Frequency response seems to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250ぎ I'd have no doubts... -- Gianluca |
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What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ぎ) is less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ぎ). Frequency response seems to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250ぎ I'd have no doubts... They are totally different sounding microphones. What kind of vocalist are you working with? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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They are totally different sounding microphones. What kind of
vocalist are you working with? Can you describe the difference? I've found several tests & recordings with the KMS 105 also on youtube, but nothing about the S1. Does people not like the S1? -- Gianluca |
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In article , LAB wrote:
They are totally different sounding microphones. What kind of vocalist are you working with? Can you describe the difference? I've found several tests & recordings with the KMS 105 also on youtube, but nothing about the S1. Does people not like the S1? The S1 is fine for people who sound good with the S1. It pops a lot more easily than the KMS105. The KMS105 has a huge peaky and exaggerated top end that makes it sound much like a U87 on-axis. That's good for people who sound good on a U87, but sometimes it can be thin or screechy for other people. The S1 is still pretty bright but less so than the KMS105, and more nasal. Neither one is a neutral-sounding vocal mike. Both can be good on the right vocalists and terrible on the wrong ones. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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The S1 is fine for people who sound good with the S1. It pops a lot
more easily than the KMS105. The KMS105 has a huge peaky and exaggerated top end that makes it sound much like a U87 on-axis. That's good for people who sound good on a U87, but sometimes it can be thin or screechy for other people. The S1 is still pretty bright but less so than the KMS105, and more nasal. Do you know where can I find a recording test of the S1 on the net? It could be a simple home recording of voice and/or singing. I'm about to buy a used S1 for 130ぎ, a good price if it is in very good conditions. I'm waiting for pictures from the seller. I'm buying and trying many mics everytime I find them for a good price: Shure SM58, SM94, Beyer TG-X58, Rode M1, Sennheiser E835, MD431, MD421 (and the old MD21!), Sony stereo ECM-MS907, ECM-MS957 (i don't like it!) I have built a mic with a SM94 condenser (electret) capsule I had, mounted in a "chinese" mic body with a SM58 replacement grille. I have copied and modified the SM94 electronics for a nearfield singer use. It has very, very low pop sensitivity and handling noise. -- Gianluca |
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On 7/11/2011 11:55 AM, LAB wrote:
Do you know where can I find a recording test of the S1 on the net? It could be a simple home recording of voice and/or singing. You don't seem to get what Scott's telling you. You really don't know what the singer in such a demo recording sounds like so you won't know if the mic is making him or her sound good or sound bad. Are you looking for a mic for yourself, or a general purpose mic that you can use on whatever comes along? If you're looking for yourself or a singer with whom you regularly work, you should do whatever you have to in order to get one to try. Either one is expensive enough so that a reputable dealer should let you try it before making a decision. It's the only way. If you're looking for a general-use mic, you should still try it, only try it on various singers and decide how useful it will really be. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Last night I've done some test recording with my microphones. As I say
in the recording I like some of them, but I'd like to find a live condenser microphone with: a slightly colored response proximity compensation for near flat LF response (and low proximity effect?) no typical 150Hz proximity emphasis an open, clear, no sibilant sound (12kHz emphasis...) Does Rode S1 and/or Neumann KMS 105 have that characteristics? Here is a link to my test recording: http://www.mediafire.com/?99tq049l5v5ik4o -- Gianluca |
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On 7/12/2011 4:29 AM, LAB wrote:
but I'd like to find a live condenser microphone with: a slightly colored response What color? Have you considered an EV RE-20? It's not a condenser mic, and it's not a hand-held mic, but it meets all of your other requirements, if you consider that every mic is "colored" to some extent. You're fighting the obvious - get one of the mics you're considering for a trial. Is this a problem? Are you sure? -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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So you want color and no color?
"Slightly colored response", only a bit. What is the correct sentence? -- Gianluca |
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In article , LAB wrote:
Last night I've done some test recording with my microphones. As I say in the recording I like some of them, but I'd like to find a live condenser microphone with: a slightly colored response They all are that way. proximity compensation for near flat LF response (and low proximity effect?) no typical 150Hz proximity emphasis You can deal with that with console EQ. Proximity effect and narrow pattern go hand in hand. You want tight pattern, you get proximity boost, and vice-versa. The ONLY way around that is by using a variable-D mike like an RE-20 or an RE-16. an open, clear, no sibilant sound (12kHz emphasis...) Does Rode S1 and/or Neumann KMS 105 have that characteristics? No, they both have massive top end boost. The whole point of the KMS105 is the huge and peaky top end. It makes for an airy sound on some vocalists. On others it exaggerates lip smack and tonsil noise. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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LAB wrote:
Last night I've done some test recording with my microphones. As I say in the recording I like some of them, but I'd like to find a live condenser microphone with: a slightly colored response proximity compensation for near flat LF response (and low proximity effect?) no typical 150Hz proximity emphasis an open, clear, no sibilant sound (12kHz emphasis...) Does Rode S1 and/or Neumann KMS 105 have that characteristics? Here is a link to my test recording: http://www.mediafire.com/?99tq049l5v5ik4o So you want color and no color? (No offense - this is how we figure out perceived contradictions in requests ). If you're committed to condensers, then the way to get rid of proximity effects is with an omni. Generally they're called "measurement mics". Beyer has one, Behringer has one, Audix has one. I've only used the Behringers. -- Les Cargill |
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LAB wrote:
So you want color and no color? "Slightly colored response", only a bit. What is the correct sentence? I'm not sure -- Les Cargill |
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I'm not Sure
I'm not Senneiser (without "h"!) -- Gianluca |
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Les Cargill wrote:
LAB wrote: Last night I've done some test recording with my microphones. As I say in the recording I like some of them, but I'd like to find a live condenser microphone with: a slightly colored response proximity compensation for near flat LF response (and low proximity effect?) no typical 150Hz proximity emphasis an open, clear, no sibilant sound (12kHz emphasis...) Does Rode S1 and/or Neumann KMS 105 have that characteristics? Here is a link to my test recording: http://www.mediafire.com/?99tq049l5v5ik4o So you want color and no color? (No offense - this is how we figure out perceived contradictions in requests ). If you're committed to condensers, then the way to get rid of proximity effects is with an omni. Generally they're called "measurement mics". Beyer has one, Behringer has one, Audix has one. I've only used the Behringers. The EV 635A omni has a response tailored for voice. I've used them on all kinds of singers with excellent results. I've also used one with a stage monitor. I dialed the monitor up to feedback and back down by 6 dB. When the vocalist arrived for a sound check, he asked me to turn it down some more! Omnis don't have unpredictable response lobes that can exacerbate feedback problems. -- ~ Roy "If you notice the sound, it's wrong!" |
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"Roy W. Rising" wrote in message ... I dialed the monitor up to feedback and back down by 6 dB. When the vocalist arrived for a sound check, he asked me to turn it down some more! That was very fortunate, many singers still want more after you've got feedback and already notched and compressed the hell out it! :-( IEM's are the only answer for some. Trevor. |
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Roy W. Rising wrote:
The EV 635A omni has a response tailored for voice. I've used them on all kinds of singers with excellent results. I've also used one with a stage monitor. I dialed the monitor up to feedback and back down by 6 dB. When the vocalist arrived for a sound check, he asked me to turn it down some more! Omnis don't have unpredictable response lobes that can exacerbate feedback problems. You know, I am always surprised by the 635A. It works better than you'd ever expect for such a huge variety of things. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/13/2011 6:33 AM, LAB wrote:
EV 635A They have had to work hard to make a so ugly... But it could be a fashion of those years. The 635 ugly? It's small and a clean design. What do you think a mic should look like? A U87? -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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On 7/13/2011 6:36 AM, LAB wrote:
Omnis don't have unpredictable response lobes that can exacerbate feedback problems Surely you don't have to worry about how the singer rotates the microphone! No, but you might worry about a singer who sometimes sings straight along the axis of the shaft, and then moves it vertical and sings across the top, 90 degrees off axis. Try that with your SM58. Also, having smooth and decent sounding response off axis means that leakage into the mic from other sources won't sound bad. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then |
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Mike Rivers wrote: On 7/13/2011 6:36 AM, LAB wrote: Omnis don't have unpredictable response lobes that can exacerbate feedback problems Surely you don't have to worry about how the singer rotates the microphone! No, but you might worry about a singer who sometimes sings straight along the axis of the shaft, and then moves it vertical and sings across the top, 90 degrees off axis. Try that with your SM58. At the East Coast Jazz Festival, I had a woman whom I'd never worked with before, who had a very breathy alto. It sounded like the KMS105 would be a great choice. Then she pointed it at her navel... and with the tight pattern on the KMS105 you can do a lot of things but one of the things that you cannot do is point it at your navel. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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The 635 ugly? It's small and a clean design. What do you think a mic
should look like? A U87? Simply... I don't like that shape! (but it's my personal opinion for my taste) http://www.axemusic.com/Pictures/ev_635a_mic.jpg -- Gianluca |
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On Monday, July 11, 2011 at 7:58:14 AM UTC-7, LAB wrote:
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ぎ) is less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ぎ). Frequency response seems to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250ぎ I'd have no doubts... -- Gianluca Always buy THE best mic you can afford! Test sing 'em and pop for what you can afford. I own a KMS105, and it is hands down THE best mic for my voice, that any dynamic, condenser and live condenser. I track with it and it's plain insane!! It beats everything in my cabinet, period. LOVE it!!! |
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On Monday, July 11, 2011 at 7:58:14 AM UTC-7, LAB wrote:
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ぎ) is less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ぎ). Frequency response seems to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250ぎ I'd have no doubts... -- Gianluca In short, is the mic enabling or not? I Have 635's 58's 57's other cheaper so called live condensers, but I've never had a mic so enabling as the 105. Having said that, I have NOT tried the Rode S1, couldn't find it locally. It's on my list though.. |
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Snip discussion of 5 year old postr
Is this conversation still valid 5 years after the original question was asked and answered? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 8/12/2016 10:22 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Snip discussion of 5 year old postr Is this conversation still valid 5 years after the original question was asked and answered? Are those mics still available ? Did Gianluca feel inspired enough to post a reply ? Would anybody benefit from that info now, or from something new that could possibly be added ? geoff |
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wrote:
Always buy THE best mic you can afford! Test sing 'em and pop for what you = can afford. I own a KMS105, and it is hands down THE best mic for my voice,= that any dynamic, condenser and live condenser. I track with it and it's = plain insane!! It beats everything in my cabinet, period. LOVE it!!! Absolutely. The problem is that the best mike for one voice is likely not the best mike for another voice. And the best mike for one voice in one mix might not be the right one for the same voice in another mix. It's that kind of world. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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geoff wrote:
Haven't got or played with KSM105, Have have and like the S1. But my fave is C535B. Bonus is that they are just as useful for purposes other than vocals - maybe that subconciously sways me. KMS105 is brighter on top and really, really forward sounding. It will pull anything to the front of the mix more dramatically than a C535. This can be wonderful and horrible depending. The peaked up top will also exaggerate tonsil noise and lip noise for singers who have issues with those. But it will also do some marvelous stuff to a gravelly baritone. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 8/12/2016 9:35 PM, geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2016 10:22 PM, John Williamson wrote: Snip discussion of 5 year old postr Is this conversation still valid 5 years after the original question was asked and answered? Are those mics still available ? Yep. |
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One major change: Shure has introduced the KSM9, designed for vocals and priced to compete with the KMS 105. When I reviewed the KSM9, I found that its batting average on vocalists was better than most mics'. It's not as glarey as the KMS 105, and I found it performed well with many more vocalists.
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On 10/12/2016 8:34 AM, PStamler wrote:
One major change: Shure has introduced the KSM9, designed for vocals and priced to compete with the KMS 105. When I reviewed the KSM9, I found that its batting average on vocalists was better than most mics'. It's not as glarey as the KMS 105, and I found it performed well with many more vocalists. Peace, Paul Is the KMS-105 glaey in the same way a TLM-103 can be ? geoff |
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geoff wrote:
On 10/12/2016 8:34 AM, PStamler wrote: One major change: Shure has introduced the KSM9, designed for vocals and priced to compete with the KMS 105. When I reviewed the KSM9, I found that its batting average on vocalists was better than most mics'. It's not as glarey as the KMS 105, and I found it performed well with many more vocalists. Is the KMS-105 glaey in the same way a TLM-103 can be ? Yes, and the U87 too. That glare is sometimes useful. Not so much on sopranos, though. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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