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L2 bass responce
i recently had the following problem:
i passed the 2-bus of my daw through a hardware L2 to chop off about 1.5db of the peaks and rerecord my master. as result the bass (mini-moog) seems to be about 3db louder. in my mix prior limiting i'm happy with its volume, but i need to reduce it when using the L2. i had this same problem on 3 different tracks. i was kind of astounished as i've been going through the same procedure a few months earlier and don't remember having had this impression. is this normal and my ears are developing? or is this not normal and my ears are actually downgrading & fooling me? |
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L2 bass responce
ron caser wrote:
i recently had the following problem: i passed the 2-bus of my daw through a hardware L2 to chop off about 1.5db of the peaks and rerecord my master. as result the bass (mini-moog) seems to be about 3db louder. in my mix prior limiting i'm happy with its volume, but i need to reduce it when using the L2. i had this same problem on 3 different tracks. i was kind of astounished as i've been going through the same procedure a few months earlier and don't remember having had this impression. is this normal and my ears are developing? or is this not normal and my ears are actually downgrading & fooling me? Limiting removes peaks. If you have sharp peaks that have a lot of your high end, and you chop them off, the end result is less top end and a recording that sounds bass-heavy. Limiting is always going to alter the overall tone of a recording, and that is part of what makes it such a powerful tool. But how it does it will depend on the source material. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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L2 bass responce
ron caser wrote:
(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message Limiting could cause that. i probably wrongly assumed that limiting with the very clean L2 would apply more or less equally to the whole frequency spectrum, which doesn't seem to be the case. i was just wondering if this is the norm that bass-frequencies get more present through compressing/limiting the 2-bus or if this is just related to these specific tracks or if my if my ears are fooling me. The change in tonal balance is not due to something like EQ or sprectral nonlinearity in the processor, in the case of a processor of the quality of the L2. It is due to the change of balance that occurs when one alters dynamic range. And this is why you really should have that box working while you are mixing so that you can hear what those changes are in real time. -- hank alrich * secret mountain audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement "If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose" |
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L2 bass responce
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(Jay Kadis) wrote: Hank: It is due to the change of balance that occurs when one alters dynamic range. And this is why you really should have that box working while you are mixing so that you can hear what those changes are in real time. Jay F: That's dangerous advice. This makes more sense for compressors as they change balances even more, but I wouldn't advise people to strap an L2 or similar on while mixing. Actually, I'd definitely advise against it. Jay K: Want to explain a bit? There's a bit of discussion over on prosoundweb about this at: http://recpit.prosoundweb.com/viewto...t=7992&start=0 With the epidemic of supercrushed and distorted music afoot, I'm hesitant to suggest people start playing with L2s while mixing. If it were just for stray peaks here and there, it wouldn't be so bad, but you know it's going to turn into full on level (and distortion) wars after not too long. You don't need a limiter in most mixing situations these days as there is plenty of dynamic range and low enough noise so that one doesn't need to push the levels so far. A compressor can be an integral part of the sound of a mix, it's creative texture, and it's internal balances. A limiter is either used for safety or for level. A good limiter used wisely won't impact balances as much as compression, though when used severely (as in many cases today unfortunately), of course the loudest things are going to be tucked in. A good mastering engineer will still be able to balance competing concerns and limit with the least possible impact to the mix balances. With modern equipment, the safety issue is not as big a deal as it once was. I'd rather see people mix at reasonable levels with good gain staging as there's no reason to push it right to the edge and requiring a limiter for safety. If you must have the hot levels, leave it to mastering or do it yourself post processing if you aren't sending it to mastering. Don't tie your own or your mastering engineer's hands by having a crushed mix and only a crushed mix. It's far more difficult to correct any problems, and I can actually get more level cleaner in the end if I'm sent something with a little breathing room to begin with. You shouldn't be thinking of apparent loudness as your primary concern while mixing. There are too many other important things. Leave the level 'til later, or better yet, relax on the level wars and keep your music sounding better! I think, even with concerns about how limiting can change a mix, you have more flexibility and can get better results in the end without the limiter on the 2 bus during mixing. -- Jay Frigoletto Mastersuite Los Angeles promastering.com |
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L2 bass responce
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(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote: Mike Caffrey wrote: Be careful in your chioce of normal, moderate or ultra. Ultra will leave it a little scooped in the mids and may make the lows louder. Mike, Are you talking about the dither settings? No. Those options are Type I or Type II. I'm talking abut the option where you select normal, moderate or ultra. Those make EQ changes. maybe they even are EQ settings. I try to avoid both the L1 and the L2. www.monsterisland.com |
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In article , Mike
Caffrey wrote: In article , (LeBaron & Alrich) wrote: Mike Caffrey wrote: Be careful in your chioce of normal, moderate or ultra. Ultra will leave it a little scooped in the mids and may make the lows louder. Mike, Are you talking about the dither settings? No. Those options are Type I or Type II. I'm talking abut the option where you select normal, moderate or ultra. Those make EQ changes. maybe they even are EQ settings. I try to avoid both the L1 and the L2. www.monsterisland.com Normal, moderate & ultra refer to types of noise shaping used. For anyone interested in more info, check he http://www.waves.com/htmls/prods/har...er.htm#digital I almost always use the ultra setting, and my mids don't get "a little scooped." And if my lows are louder it's only because I have used the L2 as a digital limiter (the hardware box is also a great A/D) which will bring up all the softer signals. It's what a limiter is supposed to do, unless the bass is the thing smacking the threshold. David Correia Celebration Sound Warren, Rhode Island www.CelebrationSound.com |
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