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On Sat, 28 May 2005 15:21:35 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:
Richard Crowley ha escrito: "J. P. Morris" wrote ... Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you want, and what your priorities are. Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron. And if you can't get it to work, you'll be relying on help from people who think you are a moron. Good luck with that. Exactly and this thread is a prime example of that. No, it isn't. Linux people as a whole are nasty, rabid zealots and I know this is a sweeping statement, but there is much evidence of it being so and my own experiences have proven it to me. Linucx people as a whole are just like any other people. Some nice, some nasty. They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming. Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming. I certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from cost and fun, and interesting The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end. Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike concept is about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need and want, not adapting yourself to the tools that are given to you. They prefer instead to tinker with the computer instead of using applications. Wrong. It's true that Linux is great for tinkering, but it's just as good for common or gargen variety tasks. It's an OS designed to be used, day in, day out. It's kind of a weird Star Wars/Trekie type oddball that gravitates toward Linux. Wrong. What you mean is, people who think for themselves rather than just accepting what's shoved at them. If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.: No. You'll just need to find one that is still in production that has working Linux drivers. Good luck with that as well. You don't know much about Linux, do you? RME is the best card for Linux. M-Audio is a close second. Other than that? You are out of luck. This is a classic example of how the Linux community at large will lie through their teeth to sucker in yet another convert. Wrong. Are you some sort of slave, that you can't make decisions for yourself? It's almost like the Hari Krishners for goodness sakes. You claim to be a Linux user, yet you repeat lie after lie. That makes you a troll. -- Kier |
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"Kier" wrote ...
Marko Shindler wrote: They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming. Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming. I certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from cost and fun, and interesting But many (most?) computer users don't want their operating system to be "fun and interesting". Reardless of cost. They want it to just work quietly in the background and let them get on with the primary task at hand. The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end. Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike concept is about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need and want, not adapting yourself to the tools that are given to you. Again, many (most?) computer users don't have the time or talent to develop (or even adapt) their own tools. Just as most of us don't make our own electric drills or even screwdrivers. It seems like many Linux zealots have a distorted view of the mainstream of computer users. The fact that you excluded the practical users (rec.audio.pro) from the "reply-to" would seem to support the "Linux as an end in itself" worldview. |
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Richard Crowley a écrit :
"Kier" wrote ... Marko Shindler wrote: They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming. Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming. I certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from cost and fun, and interesting But many (most?) computer users don't want their operating system to be "fun and interesting". Reardless of cost. They want it to just work quietly in the background and let them get on with the primary task at hand. The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end. Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike concept is about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need and want, not adapting yourself to the tools that are given to you. Again, many (most?) computer users don't have the time or talent to develop (or even adapt) their own tools. Just as most of us don't make our own electric drills or even screwdrivers. It seems like many Linux zealots have a distorted view of the mainstream of computer users. The fact that you excluded the practical users (rec.audio.pro) from the "reply-to" would seem to support the "Linux as an end in itself" worldview. listen, mandriva LE 2005 + nyvalls packages are very easy to install, easier than windows... ardour is a pro tools like audacity is a soundforge like etc... |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:41:01 -0500, Andrew wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:36:58 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote: Linux? Do you want to create music or twiddle with your computer? Linux currently has at least 5 different sound servers, none of which talk to each other. If you are interested in low latency you will have to run Jack which is supposedly a low latency sound server that uses ALSA (one of the Linux sound systems) to interface with your audio hardware. The entire thing is one gigantic mess that requires endless care and feeding. How do I know? I tried to do the very same thing about a month ago and finally gave up because I found myself spending more time trying to make things work than creating music. I dunno anything about sound processing, but I know there are similar problems with other categories of software. There is some discussion going on right now over at debianhelp.org about the failure of the open source movement to produce enough decent software. It's not that simple, though, is it? For a start, who decides what's decent software, and what's not? We all want stuff that works, obviously. All some of us will want to do is string together some sound samples and such, or play with midi synths, but others may wish to delve deep into the mysteries of sound, right down to the most basic wave-forms. No one program is ever going to address all needs at once. One recommended solution was that we start paying programming teams to come up with high-grade usable software that is released to the public domain. This makes sense - we will not attract and hold new users unless we start meeting their program needs and expectations. The last thing a newcomer wants to see is massively buggy programs or a console and command line programs. That's true enough. Though there is always going to be a place for the command line, I hope (I may not use it much myself, but I recognise its importance). What we need is more musically-inclined users to get involved in the community. When you think about it, music itself is a kind of programming language, when it's written down. I would imagine that a quality music processing suite (as sophisticated as Open Office, Gimp or Mathematica) would go a long way to attracting new, young users. What do you folks think? I think you're quite right. More people that ever are creating content of various kinds, rather than just being passive recipients of it, and to my mind that's a good thing and should be encouraged. Creative expression of all kinds can enrich people's lives. (fup2COLA) -- Kier |
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"perso" wrote ...
mandriva LE 2005 + nyvalls packages are very easy to install, easier than windows... Thanks. I'll download it and try it. ardour is a pro tools like And also claims to be "platform-neutral" so where is the Linux advantage? Besides it also claims to be still in beta which is saying a lot since many of the Linux apps I've seen that are in "release" seem more like "public beta". Not very user-friendly to people who want to just use the tools rather than help to develop them. audacity is a soundforge like etc... The Windows version shows promise, but still has some UI deficiencies. |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:08:02 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:
They appear out of the woodwork like worms looking for a place to feed. Who? You keep repeating this kindof nonsense, and you don't expect flames? Come off it. I'm convinced these Linux screwballs sit in waiting, just looking to defend Linux. There are no Linux screwballs, except in your head. That one phrase makes it obvious you are a troll. Of course, Linux users are not going to sit idely by while you lie about the OS. Notice he hasn't said a word about your topic. Sadly, this is a typical Linux screwball who can't see anything but Linux and will lead unsuspecting noobs down the garden path in an attempt to get them to switch to Linux. Where's your proof of this silly statement? Unsuspecting noobs? Anyone would think no new user had a functioning brain, capable of making a decision for themselves. These zealots unfortunately do much more harm than good. No, it's people like you who do more harm than good, by lying and trolling about Linux, misrepresenting it. And don't ****ing top-post!! -- Kier |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:59:31 -0700, wrote:
Marko Shindler wrote: snip Seriously flatfish, you need to get a life. This *is* his life, it seems. Sad... -- Kier |
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Kier a écrit :
------------- An idea ? No more discussion about linux audio pro nothing, excepting .... THAT http://www.ardour.org/img/main-screenshot-big.png http://lulu.esm.rochester.edu/kevine/turnkey/home.html http://www.djcj.org/LAU/ladspavst/ http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb0...linuxaudio.asp http://www.linuxmusician.com/ ;-) |
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Marko Shindler wrote:
[snip - nonsense and FUD] This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums. He seems to think he knows every damn thing about Linux audio but when he actually talks about it anyone that actually does can see he is full of ****. He also attacks anyone who says anything good about Linux as if it where some religious issue with him; a nutcase in other words...a Windows zealot. Same guy, different guy? Who knows. I am a programmer AND a musician. I use Linux for all of my audio work. It is true that there are several different sound servers, but only one is used for any serious audio processing: Jack. All Linux audio applications are moving to this system. The other sound servers are for desktops and window managers like KDE and Enlightenment and are meant to allow applications to make buzz sounds and ring bells. They are not built for Linux audio and are not used in such applications. Jack is more than a sound server also. It is more like ReWire (as it has been described, I have no experience with it) is on Windows only probably serves more purposes. It allows the interconnection of numerous audio applications and allows them to communicate in *real-time*. There is little latency, not humanly perceivable at any rate, in a correctly configured Linux DAW using Jack and running dozens of sound apps connected in complex networks. Even incorrectly configured a Linux DAW can do a lot before you start seing latency and xruns if it is on a reasonably newer computer...just don't try to browse the web while recording. Ardour is VERY stable, even on my AMD64. It used to be otherwise and only ran well on 32 bit computers but now it has become very solid on the 64. I don't know anything about windows plugins so I won't get into a debate about which is better. The Windows plugin architectures have been around MUCH longer and may be more mature and probably have a lot more options. LADSPA is maturing and there are many good plugins...more than I ever need or use. If you desperately need those VST plugins you can use some of them on 32 bit computers using a combination of Wine and VSTServer. Or on 64 bit computers running in compat. or legacy mode. I have never done this since I have no need and have a 64 bit computer - it would just be way more work than worth because of the architecture. So you tried and failed. Big whoop. Who are you? You are nobody. So you run a webserver on Linux...my dog could run a webserver on Linux...over half the world runs webservers on Linux. I have had the misfortune of dealing with many a webserver running Linux administered by some know-nothing bozo. It doesn't grant you any brownie points to claim you run a webserver. Even if you where an enterprise level network admin running something on the order of Google it wouldn't say anything about your knowledge of Linux DAW...you have 1 admited month of experience in which you GAVE UP....after 1 month...pathetic. It has taken me a lot longer than that to learn audio processing and recording. It takes a lot longer than that to truely learn a system built for something as complicated and involved as DAW. Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me. |
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Jeremy Fisher wrote:
Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers? If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best options it seems. |
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perso ha escrito:
Hi I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based. Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but "serious" home studio ? It has done great by me. It has done great by numerous others. You can do pro level work with Linux if you want...it is up to the task and some do. When you ask these questions in recording and music forums though you quite often run into people who wish to claim they know everything and will bad mouth Linux every chance they get. Take everything they say with the standard grain of salt. |
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
perso ha escrito: Hi I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based. Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but "serious" home studio ? It has done great by me. It has done great by numerous others. You can do pro level work with Linux if you want...it is up to the task and some do. When you ask these questions in recording and music forums though you quite often run into people who wish to claim they know everything and will bad mouth Linux every chance they get. Take everything they say with the standard grain of salt. ;-) |
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
Jeremy Fisher wrote: Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers? If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best options it seems. NB and now with Delta 1O10 we can have a dual boot: - winxp + PRo tools M powered - linux + ardour With the same soundcard |
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
Marko Shindler wrote: [snip - nonsense and FUD] This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums. He seems to think he knows every damn thing about Linux audio but when he actually talks about it anyone that actually does can see he is full of ****. He also attacks anyone who says anything good about Linux as if it where some religious issue with him; a nutcase in other words...a Windows zealot. Same guy, different guy? Who knows. I am a programmer AND a musician. I use Linux for all of my audio work. It is true that there are several different sound servers, but only one is used for any serious audio processing: Jack. All Linux audio applications are moving to this system. The other sound servers are for desktops and window managers like KDE and Enlightenment and are meant to allow applications to make buzz sounds and ring bells. They are not built for Linux audio and are not used in such applications. Jack is more than a sound server also. It is more like ReWire (as it has been described, I have no experience with it) is on Windows only probably serves more purposes. It allows the interconnection of numerous audio applications and allows them to communicate in *real-time*. There is little latency, not humanly perceivable at any rate, in a correctly configured Linux DAW using Jack and running dozens of sound apps connected in complex networks. Even incorrectly configured a Linux DAW can do a lot before you start seing latency and xruns if it is on a reasonably newer computer...just don't try to browse the web while recording. Ardour is VERY stable, even on my AMD64. It used to be otherwise and only ran well on 32 bit computers but now it has become very solid on the 64. I don't know anything about windows plugins so I won't get into a debate about which is better. The Windows plugin architectures have been around MUCH longer and may be more mature and probably have a lot more options. LADSPA is maturing and there are many good plugins...more than I ever need or use. If you desperately need those VST plugins you can use some of them on 32 bit computers using a combination of Wine and VSTServer. Or on 64 bit computers running in compat. or legacy mode. I have never done this since I have no need and have a 64 bit computer - it would just be way more work than worth because of the architecture. So you tried and failed. Big whoop. Who are you? You are nobody. So you run a webserver on Linux...my dog could run a webserver on Linux...over half the world runs webservers on Linux. I have had the misfortune of dealing with many a webserver running Linux administered by some know-nothing bozo. It doesn't grant you any brownie points to claim you run a webserver. Even if you where an enterprise level network admin running something on the order of Google it wouldn't say anything about your knowledge of Linux DAW...you have 1 admited month of experience in which you GAVE UP....after 1 month...pathetic. It has taken me a lot longer than that to learn audio processing and recording. It takes a lot longer than that to truely learn a system built for something as complicated and involved as DAW. Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me. One detail: with my delta audio soundcard: (dual boot winxp/linux) - winxp + drivers for win = 5 msec of latency - linux agnula + jack with the same computer and card = 2msec of latency regards/ |
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"Noah Roberts" wrote:
you have 1 admited month of experience in which you GAVE UP....after 1 month...pathetic. If my DAW still wasn't working after a month, I'd be kicking in walls. In fact, there's no way in hell I'd waste that much time on it. Some of us have work to do and can't be dicking around for weeks to get our tools working. For me to consider Linux, I'd have to know that there's a Pro Tools / Nuendo equivalent ready to go "out of the box." I have no opinion on Linux pro or con, but I'd suggest that there are pretty good reasons why someone may choose not to pursue a development cycle and instead just buy a package off the shelf. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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[Please don't crosspost to comp.os.linux.misc. They're inundated with
trolls]. On Sunday 29 May 2005 13:55, Noah Roberts ) wrote: Marko Shindler wrote: [snip - nonsense and FUD] This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums. "Marko Shindler" is definitely someone you keep running into, under a variety of guises. Search Google Groups for "flatfish" and you'll see he's a obsessive-compulsive troll. |
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Arkady Duntov a écrit :
[Please don't crosspost to comp.os.linux.misc. They're inundated with trolls]. On Sunday 29 May 2005 13:55, Noah Roberts ) wrote: Marko Shindler wrote: [snip - nonsense and FUD] This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums. "Marko Shindler" is definitely someone you keep running into, under a variety of guises. Search Google Groups for "flatfish" and you'll see he's a obsessive-compulsive troll. thanks for the info i'm new here, i didn't know (and as i said, we can use ardour on linux, and also samplitude or sonar or cubase with winXP : i don't where could be the problem...) |
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:59:57 -0700, Noah Roberts wrote:
Jeremy Fisher wrote: Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers? If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best options it seems. The Echoaudio cards are good too, though only Darla20, Gina20, Layla20, Darla24, Gina24, Layla24, Mona, Mia, Indigo, Indigo DJ, Indigo IO, Gina3G, and Layla3G are supported. |
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"perso" wrote in message news:429a22f1$0$3140 A zillion lines.... then Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me. One detail: with my delta audio soundcard: (dual boot winxp/linux) - winxp + drivers for win = 5 msec of latency - linux agnula + jack with the same computer and card = 2msec of latency regards/ WAs it you abusing smebody for top-posting a while back ? What about trimming quoted material. geoff |
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Geoff Wood a écrit :
"perso" wrote in message news:429a22f1$0$3140 A zillion lines.... then Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me. One detail: with my delta audio soundcard: (dual boot winxp/linux) - winxp + drivers for win = 5 msec of latency - linux agnula + jack with the same computer and card = 2msec of latency regards/ WAs it you abusing smebody for top-posting a while back ? What about trimming quoted material. geoff menfous voilà maintenant à toi de traduire. |
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philicorda a écrit :
On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:59:57 -0700, Noah Roberts wrote: Jeremy Fisher wrote: Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers? If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best options it seems. The Echoaudio cards are good too, though only Darla20, Gina20, Layla20, Darla24, Gina24, Layla24, Mona, Mia, Indigo, Indigo DJ, Indigo IO, Gina3G, and Layla3G are supported. thanks for the information. |
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:59:57 -0700, Noah Roberts wrote:
Jeremy Fisher wrote: Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers? If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best options it seems. I have been told M-Audio is a good card as well, thanks for the input Jem.. |
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In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey a écrit :
In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote: So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show. --scott called Agnula http://agnula.org/ you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1 regards |
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"perso" wrote in message
... Scott Dorsey a écrit : In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote: So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show. --scott called Agnula http://agnula.org/ you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1 regards Interesting concept, but apparently "Some assembly requred." On the "Applications" page http://www.agnula.org/packages/ I saw lots of "gui front ends" and "tookits" for synthisizer applications, but nothing even remotely resembling a ready- to-run recording/editing application (like Audacity, Ardour, etc.) Did I miss something? Is Linux not sophisticated enough to have a reasonably robust installation that can be run on an average PC box? Is Linux (or Ardour) not flexible enough to handle the majority of typical sound cards? |
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Richard Crowley a écrit :
"perso" wrote in message ... Scott Dorsey a écrit : In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote: So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show. --scott called Agnula http://agnula.org/ you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1 regards Interesting concept, but apparently "Some assembly requred." On the "Applications" page http://www.agnula.org/packages/ I saw lots of "gui front ends" and "tookits" for synthisizer applications, but nothing even remotely resembling a ready- to-run recording/editing application (like Audacity, Ardour, etc.) Did I miss something? Is Linux not sophisticated enough to have a reasonably robust installation that can be run on an average PC box? Is Linux (or Ardour) not flexible enough to handle the majority of typical sound cards? noticed not any pb. i'm not informatician, understand NOTHING in linux, don't know how to make "a compilation" , and all works fine. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. If the answer is "it's not so simple" then I think I've made a point. Thank you for asking!! LiveCD, no need to even install Linux: http://www.ferventsoftware.com/ - 50 pounds...80 US? http://www.dynebolic.org/ - free I don't think dynebolic comes with ardour, at least it is not among its advertized features. Complete audio distribution: http://www.agnula.org/ - free Then of course you have Gentoo, which is not an audio distro but makes creating a DAW very easy once you get past the install, which admitedly takes some knowledge. It is a custom, almost DIY distro for non-newbies. You can also modify Slackware, RH, and Mandrake with these pre-built setups (all free): http://www.audioslack.com/ http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ http://rpm.nyvalls.se/ Of the three I think Mandrake is best for those with no Unix experience. All of these are 32 bit though. As with most other things, if you are in 64 bit you are kind of on your own. There is a project that is not available yet called Studio64. Don't know a lot about it. So there you have it. It IS that easy. You have several options all of which are MUCH cheaper than pro-tools, cakewalk, and all the others. I mean, you can't get much cheaper than, "Make a donation if you want." Even Studio to Go! is cheaper than all but the most inexpensive Windows DAW software. I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though. |
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
Mike Rivers wrote: So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. If the answer is "it's not so simple" then I think I've made a point. Thank you for asking!! LiveCD, no need to even install Linux: http://www.ferventsoftware.com/ - 50 pounds...80 US? http://www.dynebolic.org/ - free I don't think dynebolic comes with ardour, at least it is not among its advertized features. Complete audio distribution: http://www.agnula.org/ - free Then of course you have Gentoo, which is not an audio distro but makes creating a DAW very easy once you get past the install, which admitedly takes some knowledge. It is a custom, almost DIY distro for non-newbies. You can also modify Slackware, RH, and Mandrake with these pre-built setups (all free): http://www.audioslack.com/ http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ http://rpm.nyvalls.se/ Of the three I think Mandrake is best for those with no Unix experience. All of these are 32 bit though. As with most other things, if you are in 64 bit you are kind of on your own. There is a project that is not available yet called Studio64. Don't know a lot about it. So there you have it. It IS that easy. You have several options all of which are MUCH cheaper than pro-tools, cakewalk, and all the others. I mean, you can't get much cheaper than, "Make a donation if you want." Even Studio to Go! is cheaper than all but the most inexpensive Windows DAW software. I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though. I use Ardour 0.9beta 30 on Mandriva LE 2005 and 0.9beta21 on Agnula 1.2.1 RC1: all is fine I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion, and i prefer Ardour. Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/ |
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It is only cheap if you put zero cost on your time. If you put a
realistic charge on your time for someone familiar with windows and unfamiliar with linux then a few hours struggling with a new operating system is going to exceed any software charges. This ignores issues of usability, reliability and support which, at this point in time, are almost certain to favour commercial programs. Where open source audio software really wins is for people who want/need to be more than passive users. Lots of academics and scientists use unix-type operating systems for audio applications and the available software is growing. Whether commercial grade support will be available is another matter of course. The best compromise to my mind is Mac OSX which has plenty of commercial programs but can also compile and run almost all linux programs. This enables open unix programs and commercial programs to run side by side without any penalty apart from the slightly higher hardware costs. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote: So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so. They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show. --scott Reminds me of the "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't". UInless there are some real committed commie benelovent highly-skilled programmer-hobbiests out there. geoff |
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andy a écrit :
The best compromise to my mind is Mac OSX which has plenty of commercial programs but can also compile and run almost all linux programs. This enables open unix programs and commercial programs to run side by side without any penalty apart from the slightly higher hardware costs. Problem isn't Linux or Win or Mac Problem is = to be interested by all DAW pro products (SAm, PT, Ardour) because no one can say what could be future of DAW... research always research. yeah Mac OSX is probably the best solution. Linux don't know but i'm sure Windows won't be future of DAW applications. for toys ok ... but not for pros applis. regards sorry for discussion about linux and audio pro. |
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"perso" wrote in message news:429b7088$0$11705 I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though. I use Ardour 0.9beta 30 on Mandriva LE 2005 and 0.9beta21 on Agnula 1.2.1 RC1: all is fine I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion, and i prefer Ardour. Now I wonder why that would be ? Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/ You clearly do not require much of a DAW if you really think that. Or do you mean that they have screens that look similar ? geoff |
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Geoff Wood a écrit :
"perso" wrote in message news:429b7088$0$11705 I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though. I use Ardour 0.9beta 30 on Mandriva LE 2005 and 0.9beta21 on Agnula 1.2.1 RC1: all is fine I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion, and i prefer Ardour. Now I wonder why that would be ? Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/ You clearly do not require much of a DAW if you really think that. Or do you mean that they have screens that look similar ? geoff right: i prefer sam/ to pt. (i talk about soft) ardour will be one of the pros softs in few years. PT is easy for audio applications, but for MIDI = out. |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
"perso" wrote in message ... called Agnula http://agnula.org/ you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1 regards Interesting concept, but apparently "Some assembly requred." On the "Applications" page http://www.agnula.org/packages/ I saw lots of "gui front ends" and "tookits" for synthisizer applications, but nothing even remotely resembling a ready- to-run recording/editing application (like Audacity, Ardour, etc.) Did I miss something? Yes. You have missed a lot. That is what happens when you make snap judgments about things you know nothing of. http://apt.agnula.org/demudi/pool/main/a/ What you are looking at is obviously a very incomplete list. Is Linux not sophisticated enough to have a reasonably robust installation that can be run on an average PC box? Eh? Is Linux (or Ardour) not flexible enough to handle the majority of typical sound cards? An incomplete list of supported sound chip sets can be found he http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ M-Audio seems to be a favorite though I do not own one. Just about ANY "typical" sound card works great in Linux, but for audio applications you don't want a 'typical' sound card. Many pro/semi-pro cards also work. High end consumer cards like Creative Audigy work too. Most sound cards work. Some recently developed ones will have funky or no drivers but it doesn't take long for them to get worked out. |
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andy wrote:
It is only cheap if you put zero cost on your time. In my experience it is still cheaper. |
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Geoff Wood wrote:
"perso" wrote in message news:429b7088$0$11705 Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/ You clearly do not require much of a DAW if you really think that. How the **** would you know? Are you another, "I used Linux for a week and know all about it," kind of nimrod? |
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perso wrote:
I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion, and i prefer Ardour. Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/ I use Sonar, but as a sequencer. Currently there seem to be two main sequencers for Linux, Rosegarden and MUSE. I've not had much like with MUSE, and Rosegarden doesn't seem to be able to save the synth port mappings, which is very unfortunate since mine are rather complex. I'm not sure if either one can lock to SMPTE either, which is very important for me. Are there any more that I haven't heard of? -- JP Morris - aka DOUG the Eagle (Dragon) -=UDIC=- Fun things to do with the Ultima games http://www.it-he.org Reign of the Just - An Ultima clone http://rotj.it-he.org d+++ e+ N+ T++ Om U1234!56!7'!S'!8!9!KAW u++ uC+++ uF+++ uG---- uLB---- uA--- nC+ nR---- nH+++ nP++ nI nPT nS nT wM- wC- y a(YEAR - 1976) |
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