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Are newbie questions welcomed here?
Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup...purchasing equipment as the funds will allow. I recently purchased a Peavey MB-II 16-channel mixing board, and want to purchase a 400-600 watt power amp, but I know virtully nothing about them other than how to connect a very low output power amp to send a signal to the speakers and to set up a different power amp to power the monitors. I know nothing about the various power rating schemes...especially when they refer to bridged output. Is there some place online to do some serious reading about this or is there someone who frequents this newsgroup that would be willing to answer a series of what will appear to be inane questions from this middle-aged newbie. Thanks... Doug |
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Start here.... Then ask away.
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/ampins.htm Jack w989531 wrote in message ... Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup...purchasing equipment as the funds will allow. I recently purchased a Peavey MB-II 16-channel mixing board, and want to purchase a 400-600 watt power amp, but I know virtully nothing about them other than how to connect a very low output power amp to send a signal to the speakers and to set up a different power amp to power the monitors. I know nothing about the various power rating schemes...especially when they refer to bridged output. Is there some place online to do some serious reading about this or is there someone who frequents this newsgroup that would be willing to answer a series of what will appear to be inane questions from this middle-aged newbie. Thanks... Doug |
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w989531 wrote in message
... Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup...purchasing equipment as the funds will allow. I recently purchased a Peavey MB-II 16-channel mixing board, and want to purchase a 400-600 watt power amp, but I know virtully nothing about them other than how to connect a very low output power amp to send a signal to the speakers and to set up a different power amp to power the monitors. I know nothing about the various power rating schemes...especially when they refer to bridged output. Is there some place online to do some serious reading about this or is there someone who frequents this newsgroup that would be willing to answer a series of what will appear to be inane questions from this middle-aged newbie. Thanks... Doug Welcome aboard. Sure, it's okay to ask elementary questions here. Unfortunately, I'm not the guy to answer your questions. Others will be more qualified and will chime in no doubt. However, I think that there are other news groups that may be a better fit for PA systems. Something, something, live sound seems to ring a bell. Steve King |
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w989531 wrote:
Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? Doug The vast majority of regulars on this groups are very poilte, friendly, and knowledgeable people. There are a few frequent trolls just looking for someone to mess with but you can easily ignore that element. Fire away with your questions. Oh, and buy your son a copy of The Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook. For any any aspect of audio it's probably the best $35 you'll ever spend. |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:33:27 -0600, w989531 wrote:
I know nothing about the various power rating schemes... One thing that must seem very strange and counter-intuitive is that the number is very misleading. This happens for two reasons; first, our hearing is logarithmic but our natural inclinations are linear. IOW, 100 *must* be twice as good as 200, right? ...But our hearing grades loudness on a very steep curve. This is good because it allows us to hear over a volume range of 10 to the power of 14 to one. Way, way beyond the other senses. Second, there's another gotcha in amplifier power output numbers: they're only related to acoustic power through the intermediary of the loudspeaker. The loudspeaker's efficiency in "transducing" electrical current into air pressure variations can be different by several orders of magnitude. Bottom line, "power output" alone is totally insignificant and is also not an indicator of quality. NASA warns against the dangers of designing to a "figure of merit fallacy". Nowhere in audio work is this more apparent than here, methinks. Good fortune, Chris Hornbeck |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 03:26:36 GMT, Chris Hornbeck
wrote: IOW, 100 *must* be twice as good as 200, right? ... This guy's an idiot. Who wrote this? Merry, merry, Chris Hornbeck |
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I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I think the people here are a bit nicer, but you can also ask at alt.audio.pro.live-sound for guys who deal mostly in live sound. Rec.audio.pro guys tend more towards recording and production. Expect a few behringer recommendations though, as there are some there who promote it with religious fervor. I haven't ever tried their power amps, so don't ask me. |
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wrote:
I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup...purchasing equipment as the funds will allow. I recently purchased a Peavey MB-II 16-channel mixing board, and want to purchase a 400-600 watt power amp, but I know virtully nothing about them other than how to connect a very low output power amp to send a signal to the speakers and to set up a different power amp to power the monitors. That's pretty much all you need to know. I know nothing about the various power rating schemes...especially when they refer to bridged output. Is there some place online to do some serious reading about this or is there someone who frequents this newsgroup that would be willing to answer a series of what will appear to be inane questions from this middle-aged newbie. Most of the rating schemes are basically giving you meaningless numbers. They are often VERY strongly fudged. Pick something that is rated for about the power level the speakers claim to want, into the load the speaker has. If you bridge a stereo amplifier, you can turn it into a mono amplifier with twice the voltage output. This means you can drive more power into high impedance loads, but you can't drive low impedance loads very well. If you aren't running the amp in bridged mode, ignore the numbers. Thanks... Look at the QSC RMX-series amps. They are pretty bulletproof and don't have anything fancy in them. They sound good and just keep working. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:33:27 -0600, w989531 wrote:
Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? Since you're wanting to be careful about asking questions, you might want to read the FAQ for the group at: http://www.recaudiopro.net and then ask questions that aren't already answered in the FAQ. ... Thanks... Doug ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Doug wrote ...
I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup... Microphones and mixers are a regular topic of discussion here in news:rec.audio.pro However, discussion about the amplifiers and speakers used for reinforcement (PA) would be a better fit in a news- group specifically chartered for reinforcement issues, namely: news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:33:27 -0600, w989531 wrote:
Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup...purchasing equipment as the funds will allow. I recently purchased a Peavey MB-II 16-channel mixing board, and want to purchase a 400-600 watt power amp, but I know virtully nothing about them other than how to connect a very low output power amp to send a signal to the speakers and to set up a different power amp to power the monitors. get a Tannhauser. I know nothing about the various power rating schemes...especially when they refer to bridged output. Is there some place online to do some serious reading about this or is there someone who frequents this newsgroup that would be willing to answer a series of what will appear to be inane questions from this middle-aged newbie. Thanks... Doug |
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w989531 wrote in message ... I know nothing about the various power rating schemes... Niether do most of us, since "schemes" is a pretty good description much of the time. There are various ways of measuring amplifier power, and while they will always tell you the number of watts, they rarely tell you how it was measured. There are ways to measure the same amplifier that will get you numbers ranging over a few hundred percent. Best thing you can do is stick with a reputable brand that specializes in amplifiers for live sound and use an amplifier that's rated just a bit higher than your speakers are rated (and hope that the speaker rating is as valid as the amplifier rating). especially when they refer to bridged output. That's pretty easy. In bridged mode (and not all amplifiers can accommodate this) the two channels are essentially wired in series, raising the available power, but also raising the minimum load (speaker) impedance. But because of the way that power works, you can usually get more power into a speaker (however it's mesasured) from an amplifier in bridge mode than in dual channel mode. But then you have only one channel. In your situation, I'd ignore bridging and look for a reasonably hefty two channel amplifier. Use one channel for the mains and the other for monitors. When you want to expand the system, then you can consider other configurations. Is there some place online to do some serious reading about this On-line isn't always the best way to read about fundamentals. I'd recommend getting a copy of the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook. It covers a lot of ground, but it's well written and will be a good reference as you learn more and need more. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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get a Tannhauser That's a contender for a fine example of a completely useless response to a request for information about amplifiers. Which model Tannhauser do you suggest, and why? Are you a marketing human for those? -- ha |
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hank alrich wrote:
get a Tannhauser That's a contender for a fine example of a completely useless response to a request for information about amplifiers. Which model Tannhauser do you suggest, and why? Are you a marketing human for those? What the hell is a Tannhauser? |
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Joe Sensor wrote:
What the hell is a Tannhauser? Could be the exact opposite of a Palehauser. Might become big in Seattle. -- ha |
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on the skewers.
Don?t be afraid to use a variety of meats. Grill to medium rare, serve with garlic cous-cous and sautéed asparagus. Coffee and sherbet for desert then walnuts, cheese, and port. Cigars for the gentlemen (and ladies if they so desire)! Crock-Pot Crack Baby When the quivering, hopelessly addicted crack baby succumbs to death, get him immediately butchered and into the crock-pot, so that any remaining toxins will not be fatal. But don?t cook it too long, because like Blowfish, there is a perfect medium between the poisonous and the stimulating. Though it may not have the same effect on your guests, a whole chicken cooked in this fashion is also mighty tasty. 1 newborn - cocaine addicted, freshly expired, cleaned and butchered Carrots onions leeks celery bell pepper potatoes Salt pepper garlic, etc 4 cups water Cut the meat into natural pieces and brown very well in olive oil, remove, then brown half of the onions, the bell pepper, and celery. When brown, mix everything into the crock-pot, and in 6 to 8 hours you have turned a hopeless tragedy into a heartwarming meal! George?s Bloody Mary Don?t shy away from this one, it is simply a cocktail variation of good old Blood Stew. When a pig is killed, its throat is slit and those present quaff a cup of hot blood to soften the wintry air. From the dawn of man to this day, humans have always drunk blood! American deer hunters are a prime example. 1 pint blood Stolichnaya vodka ice tomato juice lemon lime hot sauce Worcestershire sauce pickled green bean celery green olives celery salt Draw a pint of blood from a very young virgin, female if possible, and chill. In a tall glass pour 1 or 2 ounces of vodka, then add 6 ounces each of blood and V8 or tomato juice. Add ice and other ingredients, making it somewhat spicy. |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:33:27 -0600, w989531 wrote:
Hello... I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? I am a mid-50's musician who is helping his son get set up with a decent PA setup...purchasing equipment as the funds will allow. I recently purchased a Peavey MB-II 16-channel mixing board, and want to purchase a 400-600 watt power amp, but I know virtully nothing about them other than how to connect a very low output power amp to send a signal to the speakers and to set up a different power amp to power the monitors. Peavey?...Yuck! In fact, double yuck! Did some sales guy at a local music store sell you that saying "it was the best mixer in the world"?...Or even in his store? You'll have to excuse me but most everyone in this group talks about professional equipment and I've not even wanted to use a Peavey in years. As some have already said most of us here are recording guys but do or have done some Live Sound Reinforcement. If you feel happy with the Peavey line of gear then that's your gig but I would say never buy it again and start getting better quality gear one piece at a time. At least look at a Soundcraft GigRac 600 for front end, QSC and Crown make darn good power amps to. |
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into natural casings.
Stillborn Stew By definition, this meat cannot be had altogether fresh, but have the lifeless unfortunate available immediately after delivery, or use high quality beef or pork roasts (it is cheaper and better to cut up a whole roast than to buy stew meat). 1 stillbirth, de-boned and cubed ¼ cup vegetable oil 2 large onions bell pepper celery garlic ½ cup red wine 3 Irish potatoes 2 large carrots This is a simple classic stew that makes natural gravy, thus it does not have to be thickened. Brown the meat quickly in very hot oil, remove and set aside. Brown the onions, celery, pepper and garlic. De-glaze with wine, return meat to the pan and season well. Stew on low fire adding small amounts of water and seasoning as necessary. After at least half an hour, add the carrots and potatoes, and simmer till root vegetables break with a fork. Cook a fresh pot of long grained white rice. Pre-mie Pot Pie When working with prematurely delivered newborns (or chicken) use sherry; red wine with beef (buy steak or roast, do not pre-boil). Pie |
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Raymond wrote:
Peavey?...Yuck! In fact, double yuck! Did some sales guy at a local music store Not from direct experience, but, I have heard that the large power amps, while maybe not sounding the best, are quite robust. Even after many decades of hard use. |
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roux, then add chicken stock and
allow to simmer for 20 minutes. Add the patties or stuffed heads, and some loose crawfish, lobster, long piglet, or what have you. Cook on low for 15 minutes, then allow it to set for at least 15 minutes more. Serve over steamed rice; this dish is very impressive! Stuffed Cabbage Rolls Babies really can be found under a cabbage leaf - or one can arrange for ground beef to be found there instead. 8 large cabbage leaves 1 lb. lean ground newborn human filets, or ground chuck Onions peppers celery garlic soy sauce salt pepper, etc Olive oil breadcrumbs Tomato Gravy (see index) Boil the cabbage leaves for 2 minutes to soften. In skillet, brown the meat in a little olive oil, then add onions, peppers, and celery (all chopped finely) and season well. Place in a large bowl and cool. Add seasoned breadcrumbs and a little of the tomato gravy, enough to make the mixture pliable. Divide the stuffing among the cabbage leaves then r |
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Joe Sensor wrote:
Raymond wrote: Peavey?...Yuck! In fact, double yuck! Did some sales guy at a local music store Not from direct experience, but, I have heard that the large power amps, while maybe not sounding the best, are quite robust. Even after many decades of hard use. Yep, and the VMP2 tube mic pre and VCL2 tube compressor are fine units. Maybe we could try to help the guy with his real needs, instead of suggesting he get rid of everything he's already bought in support of his kid's music. -- ha |
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the crib, baby clothes, toys, stroller... and so easy to
procure if such a lucky find is at hand (just pick him up from the crib and he?s good to go)! SIDS victim, cleaned ½ cup cooking oil Carrots onions broccoli whole cabbage fresh green beans potato turnip celery tomato ½ stick butter 1 cup cooked pasta (macaroni, shells, etc.) Remove as much meat as possible, cube, and brown in hot oil. Add a little water, season, then add the carcass. Simmer for half an hour keeping the stock thick. Remove the carcass and add the vegetables slowly to the stock, so that it remains boiling the whole time. Cover the pot and simmer till vegetables are tender (2 hours approximately). Continue seasoning to taste. Before serving, add butter and pasta, serve piping with hot bread and butter. Offspring Rolls Similar to Vietnamese style fried rolls, they have lots of meat (of course this can consist of chicken, beef, pork, or shrimp). Who can resist this classic appetizer; or light lunch served with a fresh salad? Versatility is probably this recipe?s greatest virtue, as one can use the best part of a prime, rare, yearling, or the morticians occasional horror: a small miracle stopped short by a drunk driver, or the innocent victim of a drive-by shooting... 2 cups finely chopped very young human flesh 1 cup shredded cabbage 1 cup bean sprouts 5 sprigs green onion, finely chopped 5 cloves minced garlic 4-6 ounces bamboo shoots Sherry chicken broth oil for deep frying (1 gallon) Salt pepper soy & teriyaki minced ginger, etc. 1 tablespoon corn |
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Joe Sensor wrote:
Raymond wrote: Peavey?...Yuck! In fact, double yuck! Did some sales guy at a local music store Not from direct experience, but, I have heard that the large power amps, while maybe not sounding the best, are quite robust. Even after many decades of hard use. Peavey is a funny company. They make some very good equipment like the VMP-2. They make some total crap that I wouldn't want to be in the same room with (like most of their speakers). They stand behind what they sell. On the whole, because they make a lot of crap and they sell through MI dealers, they have a very bad reputation in the pro audio community. But if you are forced to buy through MI channels (and that means you're forced to get after-sales support through them), they might be the best choice for some things. I don't know that console so I don't know if it's crap or not. But find out. --scott --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Joe Sensor wrote: Raymond wrote: Peavey?...Yuck! In fact, double yuck! Did some sales guy at a local music store Not from direct experience, but, I have heard that the large power amps, while maybe not sounding the best, are quite robust. Even after many decades of hard use. Peavey is a funny company. They make some very good equipment like the VMP-2. They make some total crap that I wouldn't want to be in the same room with (like most of their speakers). They stand behind what they sell. On the whole, because they make a lot of crap and they sell through MI dealers, they have a very bad reputation in the pro audio community. But if you are forced to buy through MI channels (and that means you're forced to get after-sales support through them), they might be the best choice for some things. I don't know that console so I don't know if it's crap or not. But find out. --scott --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I did a long piece (and posted it here first) on Peavey right after they took over Crest. Some Peavey gear is less than optimal, but for the MI market, Peavey issues more gear than almost any other manufacturer and yet there's less Peavey passing through the repair joints than any other brand. I also cut my first four singles (45rpm) for Capitol Records using a Peavey MK-III 24x4 wired into the studio patch bay when the main desk had problems. I also cut my first all-live recording of an 8-piece horn band using the same desk to a Scully 12-track and back to the Peavey to mix. One has to be descriminating, but most of their gear is solid as a rock... especially the amplifiers. I have no affinity for any more than a couple of their speakers, either. Feel free to look at that thread... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/browse_frm/thread/617712958550efe9/06e65914643db3e4?tvc=1&q=group:rec.audio.pro+insub ject:Peavey+author  avid+author:Morgan+author MAM S)&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fsafe%3Dimages%26as_ugroup%3Dr ec.audio.pro%26as_usubject%3DPeavey%26as_uauthors% 3DDavid+Morgan+(MAMS)%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D12 %26as_minm%3D5%26as_miny%3D1996%26as_maxd%3D25%26a s_maxm%3D12%26as_maxy%3D2004%26lr%3D%26num%3D30%26 hl%3Den%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&scrollSave=&& d#06e65914643db3e4Gawd... what a link ! -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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Joe Sensor wrote:
Not from direct experience, but, I have heard that the large power amps, while maybe not sounding the best, are quite robust. Even after many decades of hard use. You heard correctly. As someone that did a lot of touring with bands for about five years (1995-2000) one of the few consistantly reliable things I could expect is that an old Peavey CS-400 or CS-800 would simply never die. I have seen a _lot_ of those amps in small clubs and bars all over North America. Many of them looked decades old or appeared to have been dropped off a tall building. But they always worked. Some would say that they sound bad, but with most small bars and clubs there's so much other awful stuff in the signal path that I don't see how anyone could tell. So I won't try to blame the typically bad PA in most clubs on one Peavey product. Ultimately they got the job done. |
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and cover.
Boil till meat comes off easily with a fork. Oven-Baked Baby-Back Ribs Beef ribs or pork ribs can be used in this recipe, and that is exactly what your dinner guests will assume! An excellent way to expose the uninitiated to this highly misunderstood yet succulent source of protein. 2 human baby rib racks 3 cups barbecue sauce or honey glaze (see index) Salt black pepper white pepper paprika Remove the silverskin by loosening from the edges, then stripping off. Season generously, rubbing the mixture into the baby?s flesh. Place 1 quart water in a baking pan, the meat on a wire rack. Bake uncovered in 250° oven for 1½ hours. When browned, remove and glaze, return to oven and bake 20 minutes more to form a glaze. Cut ribs into individual pieces and serve with extra sauce. Fresh Sausage If it becomes necessary to hide the fact that you are eating human babies, this is the perfect solution. But if you are still paranoid, you can substitute pork butt. 5 lb. lean chuck roast 3 lb. prime baby butt 2 tablespoons each: salt black, white and cayenne peppers celery salt garlic powder parsley flakes brown sugar 1 teaspoon sage 2 onions 6 cloves garlic bunch green onions, chopped Cut the children?s butts and the beef roast into pieces that will fit in the grinder. Run the meat through using a 3/16 grinding plate. Add garlic, onions and seasoning then mix well. Add just enough water for a smooth consistency, then mix again. Form the sausage mixture into patties or stuff into natural casings. Stillborn Stew By definition, this meat cannot be had altogether fresh, but have the |
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Thanks a million to all of those that supplied answers to the actual question. That is why I asked the pointed question about being able to ask questions here. I will re-read and re-re-read the replies Sunday morning when I have abit more time. AND...as recommended, I will check out the alt.audio.pro.live-sound group and lurk there for a bit to see if it is what I need. Thanks again to all to replied for renewing my faith in the power of the newsgroup. Takes me back to the early 90's. And, you can rest assured that I will continue to read this group. Doug |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
FX: Moose unwraps headers to make it easier to read It's just a floding attack by some spammer who is annoyed with the news.admin.net-abuse.email newsgroup. Eventually he'll get tired at the lack of results for the effort expended, or his pointy little head will explode. Useful things to filter on: Path: nwrddc02.gnilink.net!cyclone2.gnilink.net!cyclone1 .gnilink.net! gnilink.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.co m!news2.euro.net! 216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews .com! nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.wxs.nl!feeder.news-service.com! psinet-eu-nl!news.NOSPAm-a-m-s.com!150.150.190.186.mismatch ^^^^^^^^^^^^ psinet is the current flood injection point, so this may be useful. From: "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" Subject: Are newbie questions welcomed here? Approved: "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" ^^^^^^^^^ Approved headers in unmoderated groups are another good one. Newsgroups: de.alt.test,bit.listserv.test,rec.audio.pro A crosspost filter is another good idea (particularly when "test" groups are involved). References: Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:06:42 GMT Message-ID: AMouf.6213-Y0.4201@trnddc05 User-Agent: Xnews/M3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.150.190.186 X-Trace: NOSPAm-a-m-s.com 3004454830 150.150.190.186 (25 Dec 2004 23:06:42 GMT) Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Best of all! This is the abuser's target, so ignoring posts with a followup header set is likely to catch all of the flood. Remainder snipped Hope this is some help, google on "hipcrime" "dippy" or "moronis" if you feel the need for more information... Seasons Greetings! Cadbury Moose. (Just a chocolate moose in the woods by the information superhighway.) -- Attention: This is your captain speaking. We have turned on the trolling motor and are at optimum speed. -- "D.J." in nan-ae. |
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Questions, even stupid ones, will get a helpful answer if you have
done your homework. Read the FAQs, and do a Google search or two on your question (learn how to use the Google groups search to search newsgroups like this one. Chances are the question has been asked and answered before. Read some recommended books. Then, when you do ask a question, you will know what to ask, and what relevant information to provide to get the most helpful answer. Example: "What is the best mic for under $200?" will not get you a really useful answer. "I am trying to mic an acoustic steel stringed guitar played by a folk singer who tends to pound chords pretty hard in a small church" will get you some recommendations (and probably a few more questions about what you are trying to do. Doing your homework will make your questions a lot more intelligent. Plus the members of the group will appreciate thay you are not just being lazy and having them do you work for you. On 25 Dec 2004 23:15:09 GMT, (Raymond) wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:33:27 -0600, w989531 wrote: I have been holding back on asking questions (I always like to lurk for a while in a newsgroup to get a feel for it...), and was wondering if it is permissable to ask a series of newbie questions...or will I get treated like the proverbial "skunk at a garden party"? Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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In article znr1104027967k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: get a Tannhauser That's a contender for a fine example of a completely useless response to a request for information about amplifiers. I agree. I thought a Tannhauser was some breed of dog. It's got a great overture, but I don't like the ending. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Paul Thomas wrote:
As someone that did a lot of touring with bands for about five years (1995-2000) one of the few consistantly reliable things I could expect is that an old Peavey CS-400 or CS-800 would simply never die. I have seen a _lot_ of those amps in small clubs and bars all over North America. Many of them looked decades old or appeared to have been dropped off a tall building. But they always worked. Some would say that they sound bad, but with most small bars and clubs there's so much other awful stuff in the signal path that I don't see how anyone could tell. Firstly, they often sound bad because they're driving Peavey speakers, and secondly, I know they don't have to sound bad because Sandy Bull was using a CS-800 to drive a pair of Tannoy Gold 10's w/Mastering Lab crossovers for mix mons, and the stuff he played me sounded wonderful. -- ha |
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I always do my homework before asking a bunch of questions. I agree that it is most aggravating to have someone want you to read the manual and then regurgitate the information to them in spurts. Thanks again for your input... Doug Doug if your around CNY I will take you out and teach you first hand all about live sound rigs, and pay you to learn as well george |
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w989531 wrote:
What I don't understand here is "what purpose the return lines for the monitors (if I read the web page properly) serve". Another reason to want to play around with this stuff. Those are how you send signal(s) back to the stage to feed the house or monitor speaker system(s). -- ha |
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Doug wrote
Thanks for the information. Just to qualify my question, I have done extensive Google searches and have found some sites that have a wealth of information, such as companies selling audio snakes. I have never had the pleasure of setting up a PA using a snake, and although I realize that all it is is a connecting device running a pre-defined distance between the microphones and monitors and the console, I have not had a chance to "muck about" with one. So, buying something like a 16-connector snake is in order when the household finances deem it possible. What I don't understand here is "what purpose the return lines for the monitors (if I read the web page properly) serve". Another reason to want to play around with this stuff. I have ordered 3 books through Amazon, one of which is the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Book. I shall eagerly devour the contents of the books and will most certainly come out with more knowledge than when going in. I always do my homework before asking a bunch of questions. I agree that it is most aggravating to have someone want you to read the manual and then regurgitate the information to them in spurts. What you buy is only determined by what your needs are, if you need a snake then you buy a snake, if your playing in small places and you don't need a snake don't buy a snake. The books will help but you have to also know what it is your doing and exactly what you need to do your shows. For example...If your a one man guitar and singer act it would be a huge waist to use a 40 channel console. You see what I mean? I would say for your to go to your local (or nearest) SR (sound) company and see if he can hook you up with a system. There's a good chance they may have a small (or large) PA that has low mileage and worth the cost, you will also gain a friend that will help you with any questions you'll have with it. |
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Doug if your around CNY I will take you out and teach you first hand all about live sound rigs, and pay you to learn as well george Thank you (and the others who have been so gracious in replying). The information that I have received so far has been invaluable. I have received confirmation from Amazon that the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement book is on the way. Thanks for the most generous offer, George, but I live half a continent away in Manitoba, Canada. We do have a music store which is part of the Long & McQuade chain that is well known for renting PA gear. Plus, a friend of mine started working in the store recently, so that gives me one more source of answers. I do believe that I will wait until I finish the Yamaha book before firing off some more questions. Thanks again to all who answered...and have taken some of the ??? out of the return lines on the snake. Regards, Doug |
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While you're cruising the web, don't forget the RANE website... some
outstanding technical notes there, too. Rane note 110 for example, will help you through a myriad of wiring and interfacing issues. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com w989531 wrote in message ... Thanks for the information. Just to qualify my question, I have done extensive Google searches and have found some sites that have a wealth of information |
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