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Why Windows is Easier than Linux For An End User, Especially for Multimedia work.
Is Linux a better operating system?
On paper it sure looks that way considering Microsoft can't seem to lock down it's system from hackers. However, there is so much more to an operating system and a computer in general than security and if one looks at security in the general sense, most of these exploits have/are/rely on ignorant users. Seeing as Windows has 90+ percent of the desktop market place, the number of ignorant users is going to be much higher than Linux with say 2 percent of the desktop market place. That is one reason why Windows is attacked, the other is of course Windows has it's problems with security. It's no secret. However, I use both Linux and Windows and I get far more security alerts from Suse Linux than I would like to see. As Linux becomes more popular, it will become a target and hackers will exploit the stupidity of the end user, it will happen given time. It's a fact. So why is Windows easier? Simply because Windows is designed to easily integrate hardware and software into a cohesive environment where things "just work". Example: User wishes to play an audio CD with Windows. All he has to do is put the CD in the tray and it works. It might work via the analog cable connected to the sound card, or it might work via DAE if the sound card does not have an analog input for CD like many high end cards. Now try this with Linux and say xmms... Holy ****! Create a directory where the audio CD will mount making sure not to pick one that is in fstab, like /mnt/cdrom because it will screw up. Now pick a sound system. Now figure out what controls on the mixer need to be activated and move them up. Oh yea, nothing is labeled on the typical mixer control and I still don't know if the green light means the function is enabled or disabled because the help system is so dammed lame. Now make certain to raise all the volumes, on all mixers because Linux seems to set them to zero and BTW if you reboot there is no guarantee they will be set back. Check the number of threads that talk about this, going back to 2000 or so. I guess this is not an important feature for Linux developers. Maybe another editor is more important? Yea that's the ticket. Another editor to add to the already 100 that exist already. How about an iPod and Linux? Hey that's a real winner!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIrst off you HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS in order to set it up. Then even after you do that, the dammed hot plug system mounts it in some weird ass directory and there is no way to over ride it. Bottom line is GTK-PoD won't work right. Even if you make it work, if you EVER CONNECT THE IPOD TO A REAL SYSTEM like Windows, it will erase everything!!!!!!!!! And then you are back to square one. mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/dev/ipod -v -t....................and so forth! Hey that's user friendly! Yea, yea I know, iPod is proprietary and won't tell Linux all it's secrets. Tough ****!!! It's a popular device and people use it. And that is the entire point. There are a LOT of popular devices that simply won't work right with Linux but yet work fine with Windows and Apple. Blaming others seems to be the Linux user mantra. Blame everyone else except Linux. Theories are great, but actual practice is what counts. I don't care how my dishwasher works, as long as I turn the knob and it starts. My computer is a tool that is supposed to make my life easier not more difficult. I don't want to have to tell my computer how to do things, I want it to tell me and allow me to accept or decline. Let's play DVDs!! Shall we? My Plextor DVD player came with a CD that included various players and CODECS and all I did was insert the DVD and everything worked. Linux? HAHHHHH!!!!! apt-get....ooops I use Gentoo. emerge sorry but I use Fedora. RPMFIND....Sorry, I use Suse. Yast....Ooops I use Slackware..... When you install a popular distribution like say SUSE you will find that the video players have been emasculated and don't include CODECS to play anything useful. So now you get to scour the internet to find obscure sites that will allow you to make things work, and BTW you had better have a broadband connection because these files are numerous and HUGE!!! How about sound under Linux? Am I using ARTS? ESD? OSS? ALSA? OSS-Emulation? Jack (the worst of them all) How do I even know? Is my sound card /dev/dsp1? dsp2? Maybe it's hw:0? or hw:0,1? So what is it? What if I have 3 sound cards? How come I can't use Jack as a user and get real time? Why must I enter a command like: jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0 -r 44100 -p 1024 -n2 -i12 -o10 etc..... to make things work? This is a facrce!!!! With Windows I pick which sound card I wish to use, BY NAME and it works. No su'ing to root, nothing like that. Why is Linux such a mess? Let's continue............. How can I design Flash pages under Linux? Not EMULATED, HALF ASSED flash pages, but REAL ONES 100 percent compatible with REAL FLASH? Answer is it can't be done. Hell, even viewing web pages under Linux is a chore because Linux browsers suck! Even firefox, which works great under Windows takes 20 seconds to load under Linux. Why is Linux so slow? How about fonts? Why does Linux have to steal TTF's from Microsoft in order to look decent? How about DAW work? Ardour RoseGarden Audacity Compare them to Sonar 4 or Cubase and see what happens. Where are Linux plugins that are decent? There are none. Linux sound card support? Linux doesn't support even the **** Sblive 24 bit cards. Video support? How is ATI support coming along these days? Not too good I hear... Sorry but Linux is a mess, a joke and THAT IS WHY it is being ignored as users flock toward Apple and WIndows for real solutions to solve real everyday problems. If you want to run a geek cluster, use Linux....... 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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:16:25 -0500, slinky_silkworm wrote:
Is Linux a better operating system? Yes. On paper it sure looks that way considering Microsoft can't seem to lock down it's system from hackers. It can, but it's far harder to do However, there is so much more to an operating system and a computer in general than security and if one looks at security in the general sense, most of these exploits have/are/rely on ignorant users. Not entirely. Seeing as Windows has 90+ percent of the desktop market place, the number of ignorant users is going to be much higher than Linux with say 2 percent of the desktop market place. Where did you get your figures? No one knowe the percentages precisely. That is one reason why Windows is attacked, the other is of course Windows has it's problems with security. Correct. It's no secret. However, I use both Linux and Windows and I get far more security alerts from Suse Linux than I would like to see. Security alerts are *good*. Why? Because they keep you informed, rather than treatin g you like a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed on... well, you get the idea. As Linux becomes more popular, it will become a target and hackers will exploit the stupidity of the end user, it will happen given time. It's a fact. No, it's not. It's a supposition, at most. Can hardly be a fact when it hasn't happened, right? So why is Windows easier? Is it easier? That point is by no means conceded. Simply because Windows is designed to easily integrate hardware and software into a cohesive environment where things "just work". In Linux, an awful lot of stuff 'just works'. Okay, I'll grant you that some things don't but that is true of any OS. Example: User wishes to play an audio CD with Windows. All he has to do is put the CD in the tray and it works. It might work via the analog cable connected to the sound card, or it might work via DAE if the sound card does not have an analog input for CD like many high end cards. Now try this with Linux and say xmms... Why use Xmms. Try KsCD. Holy ****! Create a directory where the audio CD will mount making sure not to pick one that is in fstab, like /mnt/cdrom because it will screw up. In most mainstream distros, it will mount audio CDs automatically. In fact, I've had to *disable* that at times, when all i wanted was to rip a CD, not play it. Now pick a sound system. The standard one will usually do. Now figure out what controls on the mixer need to be activated and move them up. Usually enabled by default. If not, it's usually a trivial matter to pump up the volume. Oh yea, nothing is labeled on the typical mixer control and I still don't know if the green light means the function is enabled or disabled because the help system is so dammed lame. Use your brain, then. Green means 'go', red means 'stop'. Not that hard, was it? Now make certain to raise all the volumes, on all mixers because Linux seems to set them to zero and BTW if you reboot there is no guarantee they will be set back. Huh? What are you on about? Check the number of threads that talk about this, going back to 2000 or so. Yeah, sure. I guess this is not an important feature for Linux developers. Maybe another editor is more important? How should I know what a developer thinks is important, I'm a user. But there are plenty of sound apps being developed, so I would surmise it's important to some of them. Yea that's the ticket. Another editor to add to the already 100 that exist already. Who cares? I like text editors. How about an iPod and Linux? Hey that's a real winner!!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So? iPods weren't intended for Linux in the first place. FIrst off you HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS in order to set it up. Then even after you do that, the dammed hot plug system mounts it in some weird ass directory and there is no way to over ride it. Bottom line is GTK-PoD won't work right. Wouldn't know, I don't have an iPod. But if it's the case, Linux-using iPod owners will soon get things fixed so it does. Even if you make it work, if you EVER CONNECT THE IPOD TO A REAL SYSTEM like Windows, it will erase everything!!!!!!!!! And then you are back to square one. 'Real system?' What nonsense are you talking? mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/dev/ipod -v -t....................and so forth! Hey that's user friendly! You are too stupid to type a short command, are you? Yea, yea I know, iPod is proprietary and won't tell Linux all it's secrets. Tough ****!!! No, stupid manufacturers, who lose potential sales. It's a popular device and people use it. And your point is? That doesn't alter the fact it's not Open. Therefore drivers are harder to write. And that is the entire point. There are a LOT of popular devices that simply won't work right with Linux but yet work fine with Windows and Apple. And there are lots of popular devices which work with Linux. Your point? Blaming others seems to be the Linux user mantra. Excuse me? Blame everyone else except Linux. Who are you talking about? Theories are great, but actual practice is what counts. I don't care how my dishwasher works, as long as I turn the knob and it starts. We are not discussing dishwashers. My computer is a tool that is supposed to make my life easier not more difficult. I don't want to have to tell my computer how to do things, I want it to tell me and allow me to accept or decline. Then you are a fool. You should be in charge of your computer. You should control it, not do as *it* wants. Let's play DVDs!! Shall we? Why not. (Inserts 'The Sweeney' into drive... cool! Steely Jack rides again. My Plextor DVD player came with a CD that included various players and CODECS and all I did was insert the DVD and everything worked. I had to buy my Windows DVD playing software separately. And Windows Media Player itself *still* won't play DVDs. How stupid is *that*? The codecs are on my system, but WMP doesn't want to know. Linux? HAHHHHH!!!!! apt-get....ooops I use Gentoo. emerge sorry but I use Fedora. RPMFIND....Sorry, I use Suse. Yast....Ooops I use Slackware..... Download mplayer (often included in your distro). Add codecs and libdvdcss/read - usually provided separately by your distro maintainers because of legal hassles. Most other DVD players will happily now play DVDs also - unlike WMP for Windows. When you install a popular distribution like say SUSE you will find that the video players have been emasculated and don't include CODECS to play anything useful. This is true, of SUSE. Solution? Don't install SUSE's own version, go for mplayer, etc. See above. So now you get to scour the internet to find obscure sites that will allow you to make things work, and BTW you had better have a broadband connection because these files are numerous and HUGE!!! Nope. I first got mplayer/xine/codecs/libdvdcss etc, on a dial-up connection, and from Linux Format magazine discs. The sites are not obscure - just google mplayer or xine. How about sound under Linux? I've never had more than temporary problems with sound under Linux. Am I using ARTS? ESD? OSS? ALSA? OSS-Emulation? Jack (the worst of them all) You are joking, aren't you? If you can't get sound working with at least one of them, you're an idiot. How do I even know? Learn to read. Is my sound card /dev/dsp1? dsp2? Maybe it's hw:0? or hw:0,1? So what is it? Learn to read. What if I have 3 sound cards? Dunno. Most of us have only one. How come I can't use Jack as a user and get real time? Something to do with the way the kernel works at present, I believe. Why must I enter a command like: jackd -R -d alsa -d hw:0 -r 44100 -p 1024 -n2 -i12 -o10 etc..... to make things work? See above. This is a facrce!!!! No, it's the way certain things work. With Windows I pick which sound card I wish to use, BY NAME and it works. No su'ing to root, nothing like that. And your point is? We're not using Windows, right? Therefore, Windows is irrelevant. Why is Linux such a mess? It isn't. Let's continue............. How can I design Flash pages under Linux? Not EMULATED, HALF ASSED flash pages, but REAL ONES 100 percent compatible with REAL FLASH? Download and install Flashplayer 7. Answer is it can't be done. Hell, even viewing web pages under Linux is a chore because Linux browsers suck! No they don't. A lot of half-bakes, badly-coded sites do, though. Even firefox, which works great under Windows takes 20 seconds to load under Linux. It works great under Linux, too. Why is Linux so slow? It isn't. How about fonts? How about them? I have plenty, all nice and Free, too. Why does Linux have to steal TTF's from Microsoft in order to look decent? It doesn't, liar. How about DAW work? Ardour RoseGarden Audacity Nice apps. Compare them to Sonar 4 or Cubase and see what happens. Why should I? I use Linux. Where are Linux plugins that are decent? There are none. Liar. Linux sound card support? Linux doesn't support even the **** Sblive 24 bit cards. Liar. Or perhaps I'm imagining the sound coming from my speakers. Video support? How is ATI support coming along these days? Not as well as we'd like, sadly. Not too good I hear... Some ATI cards are supported, others not, but Nvidia are considered far better nowadays, and the best way to go for Linux video. Sorry but Linux is a mess, a joke and THAT IS WHY it is being ignored as users flock toward Apple and WIndows for real solutions to solve real everyday problems. Are you joking or just stupid? Flock *towards* Windows and Apple? Please get a clue. How many million people downloaded Firefox alone this year? Peop,e don't flock towards Windows, they simply buy it along with their hardware. That's not musch of a choice. As for Apple, it's hardly making vast inroads into Windows territory in the way Linux is. If you want to run a geek cluster, use Linux....... If you need to accomplish everyday work, use anything BUT Linux. You're talking utter ********. But why be surprised - you are nothing but a troll anyway. If you don't know how to get your work done under Linux, that is your problem, not that of the OS. Linux is very capable, flexible, and above all, Free. Because it's the Season of Goodwill, I'll give you a hint: go and download Knoppix 3.7, and buy or borrow the book 'Knoppix Hacks'. Come back in a few days and tell me again that Linux doesn't do this, that and the other, and you can't get work done. Then I'll *know* you're a liar and a fraud. -- Kier |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:16:46 +0000, kier wrote:
Why use Xmms. Try KsCD. KSCD can't do DAE.. Idiot! Usually enabled by default. If not, it's usually a trivial matter to pump up the volume. Usually? Better check the Linux groups for posts concerning the topic. Now make certain to raise all the volumes, on all mixers because Linux seems to set them to zero and BTW if you reboot there is no guarantee they will be set back. Huh? What are you on about? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...rch+this+group Check the number of threads that talk about this, going back to 2000 or so. Yeah, sure. Yep. Snip-----The rantings of another Linux zealot loonie |
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begin Robin Chandler (flatfish) wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:16:46 +0000, kier wrote: Why use Xmms. Try KsCD. KSCD can't do DAE.. Idiot! The idiot is you, flatfish. KSCD *can* do DAE. It is just not enabled by default snip more flatfish droppings -- The Day Microsoft makes something that does not suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners. |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:27:08 -0500, Robin Chandler wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:16:46 +0000, kier wrote: Why use Xmms. Try KsCD. KSCD can't do DAE.. Idiot! You were talking about *playing* audio CDs, weren't you? That's what KsCD is for. You want to rip, use grip, or any number of other apps designed for it. Usually enabled by default. If not, it's usually a trivial matter to pump up the volume. Usually? Better check the Linux groups for posts concerning the topic. How old are those posts? Is everyone in the world supposed to be in the same boat? Do you judge Linux performance by google? I judge it by using it, every day. Now make certain to raise all the volumes, on all mixers because Linux seems to set them to zero and BTW if you reboot there is no guarantee they will be set back. Huh? What are you on about? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...rch+this+group Check the number of threads that talk about this, going back to 2000 or so. Yeah, sure. Yep. And again, it's just a google groups thread, not the end of the world. What about all the satisfied users who don't need to complain? How do you count them? I have three PCs and a laptop. They all have sound. Sound for Linux may have been problematic in the past, but it's hardly an issue now. And that's *SUSE*. That's not all of Linux, by a long, long way. Snip-----The rantings of another Linux zealot loonie Hah hahah hahah! Pathetic troll. Free clue: I'm not a zealot, a loonie, or anything but a sensible honest user. Sure, some stuff will fail to work, for some users. That's true of any platform, it's certainly not exclusive to Linux. -- Kier |
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I don't agree with your premise. I maintain that a properly installed and
set up Linux system is no harder to use than a properly installed and set up MS system - it is just a little different. |
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["Followup-To:" header set to rec.audio.pro.]
On 2004-12-27, ray wrote: I don't agree with your premise. I maintain that a properly installed and set up Linux system is no harder to use than a properly installed and set up MS system - it is just a little different. Any time I hear this kind of argument, all I have to do is think of my mom, who was already in her 50s when she got hold of a Kaypro, and without my help (or even my blessing, really), had become rather proficient with CP/M and Wordstar, almost completely on her own. Linux is a hell of a lot easier to get into than that stuff was. One person I met over Christmas absolutely shocked me -- a hilbilly redneck by anyone's standards, even other hillbilly rednecks' standards, and I'm not joking at all here, showed me his Lindows PC, or Linspire, as it is called now. He was *using* it, *proficiently*, to do bookkeeping and correspondence for his trucking business. After that experience, I'm not worried about Linux advocacy anymore, because I believe the work is done. |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:15:54 GMT, Truth wrote:
Why Automatic transmissions are easier than Manual transmissions for most people. snip Answer: Lack of talent. dB |
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don't believe a word this guy says, he's BOB SCARBOROUGH from Arizona,
a senile old man who is deaf, unemployed, and sucking off the government cash cow in the form of welfare and disability checks |
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Truth wrote:
Why Automatic transmissions are easier than Manual transmissions for most people. Automatic transmisions like having two plastic glasses with a cord? -- Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez Director Tecnico de bgSEC bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos http://www.bgsec.com ESPAÑA The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow Roman candles. -- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road" |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:03:22 +0100, Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
wrote: Why Automatic transmissions are easier than Manual transmissions for most people. Automatic transmisions like having two plastic glasses with a cord? Linux provides excellent glasses, in any material, size and colour you like. But you have to provide your own string. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
Linux provides excellent glasses, in any material, size and colour you like. But you have to provide your own string. There is the fun of using Linux. You can make your own string, something you can't do in other Operating Systems, but it has the same or more glasses than Windows or MacOSX. (this seems like an encrypted conversation from a submarine) -- Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez Director Tecnico de bgSEC bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos http://www.bgsec.com ESPAÑA The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow Roman candles. -- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road" |
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
wrote on Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:58:27 +0100 : Laurence Payne wrote: Linux provides excellent glasses, in any material, size and colour you like. But you have to provide your own string. There is the fun of using Linux. You can make your own string, something you can't do in other Operating Systems, but it has the same or more glasses than Windows or MacOSX. (this seems like an encrypted conversation from a submarine) Aren't analogies fun? :-) Windows: One (1) size fits all Microsoft Plastic Tumbler, with hole. One (1) Microsoft String(tm). Note that one needs Microsoft Pitcher to make maximum use of the Microsoft Plastic Tumbler, as well as a third-party HolePlugger if one wants to actually use it for drinking. Communications are effected by attaching the String to the Microsoft Plastic Tumbler using a Microsoft String To Plastic Tumbler Attachment Device (patent pending). While the Microsoft String To Plastic Tumbler Attachment Device can be used for drinking, a slow leak may require one to clean up afterwards using Microsoft Pre-Moistened Towelette Units. (Microsoft String will swell up, plugging the leak, if one uses Microsoft Powdered Drink Solution in Microsoft Water.) Linux: See below. Depending on what one actually wants to do, one can: [1] Take sand and fabricate one's own glass, and make one's own twine. This is probably the toughest. [2] Take glass chips and fabricate one's own glass. [3] Take glass or plastic pieces and put together a good, solid drinking utensil, serving utensil, jug, drum, or tank. [4] Take a plastic cone and some Standard String and assemble a multiway "phone" network (with a knot in the middle of the string that other strings can attach to). [5] Squeeze oranges to make a refreshing drink. :-) -- #191, It's still legal to go .sigless. |
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Error log for Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:16:25 -0500: slinky_silkworm caused a
Page Fault at address , details... Is Linux a better operating system? Yes, it is. Why you ask? Configurable - Highly configurable and tweakable if you want that sort of thing. You can mod a distro for performance, stability, security, speed or a nice combination of all of these. With Linux, you can be assured that you are getting the maximum performance from your hardware. Variety - Different people have different priorities. The "one size fits all" way of commercial operating systems usually doesn't. To get the tools and apps that are important to you it is often necessary to spend hundreds if not thousands more. Linux distros come in a variety of different flavors to suit justabout any need. Their are pre-packaged distros geared for ease of use, security, gaming, AV, producivity, servers, and many other specialized areas. Portability - Linux runs on every major hardware architecture in use today. This means that you are not stuck with a particular OS just because you use a particular arch. Got a PowerPC Mac? Linux will run it. Got a SPARC? Linux will run it. Got a AMD64? Linux will run it. Etc. This opens up choice to the user, so they are not limited. Security - Linux was developed from the ground up with security in mind. Unlike many commercial OSen where security was given a back seat to "convenience", security is apriori on Linux. Patches and updates are released AS NEW VULNERABILITIES ARE FOUND, *not* according to some pre-determined release schedule. This means that fixes are available before exploits are even made, which means that a regularly updated system will be practically invulnerable to attack. Even a default distro out of the box is multitudes more secure than an equivelant commercial OS like Windows. Cost - This is important, especially to someone who doesn't have thousands of dollars to spend just to get basic functionality with their systems. Distros of Linux come with the Open Source equivalent of thousands of dollars worth of commercial applications and do just as well or better than their expensive counterparts. Many of these packages are installed by default, which means that there is no need for a user to have to purchase or otherwise obtain and install anything extra in order to make their systems useful to them. Literally thousands of additional packages can be freely obtained from various online seources to provide even more functionality. Setup - Linux is designed to do as much as possible without user intervention with regards to setup and maintenance. This means that hardware is very often recognized and configured and ready for use at boot, internet connections are automatically configured, new hardware can be installed on the fly and setup with little or no user intervention. Installing a distro is a relatively painless procedure even if one chooses all defaults. Usually there is no need to install additional drivers and/or software to have a fully functional system on common hardware. Ease of Use - For an average user, this is important. Major modern distros of Linux are just as or easier to use than Commercial OSen. Distros such as Mandrake, Fedora, Xandros, Linspire or Suse (Novell) are configured with the user experience in mind and make it a straightforward and simple matter to use, maintain and configure the system with a wealth of integrated management packages. Desktop Environments like KDE and GNOME provide a completely self-contained, fully integrated and feature rich environment with a wealth of native applications and an unified look and feel to facilitate use. Many persons with little computer knowledge have few or no problems at all making the transition from Windows or OSX to Linux. Functionality - For 99% of what the average user does with a computer, Linux has more than enough fully featured, easy to use applications to accomplish them that are available right from a base install. Creating and editing documents, Burning CD's and DVD's, Reading and sending Email and News, Web browsing, Playing various multimedia, file sharing, instant messaging via various protocols, Managing finances, Transferring files, Managing Files, Updating, installing and removing software, Getting Help, Playing games, doing homework assignments, Creating and Editing video and audio projects, Playing various Games, Viewing and editing pictures, Printing, Scanning, educational software, chatting online, telecommuting, doing research, etc. Even stuff that advanced users want to do can be done with the free applications made available in Linux like programming and development and running various servers. Linux has unsurpassed value for the amount and diversity of software for the price. It can be purchased as a boxed set or obtained for little or no cost for free online. It can be installed on as many systems as you like for free legally. It has no activation policy. It does not dictate how you can use your own computer systems. It is practically malware free. It is rock-solid stable when properly configured on good hardware. It can be personalized to look and feel exactly how you want as an individual. It supports virtually unlimited concurrent users. It has many advanced features that facilitate use as a desktop system. It can multitask efficiently even with many intensive tasks running concurrently. It enjoys the support of millions of developers and users worldwide. It is been used all over the globe by various governments, corporations, businesses, institutions, organizations, and individuals on a daily basis to provide their computing needs. It is the backbone of various crucial services for various areas and is deployed in many mission critical tasks on a global scale. It is being used by many Hollywood FX shops on both the workstation and render-farm to create Movies and cinema. It is deployed in the most powerful High Performance Computing Clusters in existance. Linux is the pinnacle of computing. It incorporates all of the best ideologies, methodologies and technologies of modern computing into one system that can be had by anyone for a song. Your petty squabbles with Linux and Open Source are really irrelevant to anyone but you in comparison. -- rapskat - 20:10:05 up 3 days, 10:01, 6 users, load average: 0.35, 0.42, 0.43 The whole world is a tuxedo and you are a pair of brown shoes. -- George Gobel |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:21:50 -0500, rapskat wrote:
Error log for Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:16:25 -0500: slinky_silkworm caused a Page Fault at address , details... Is Linux a better operating system? Yes, it is. Why you ask? No it's not. Linux is a real joke, at least amongst audio professionals. Sure we would like to get all of our programs for free, especially considering our programs cost 1000's of dollars each. However, the reality comes into play super fast when one takes a good look at what the Linux offerings are. In a nutshell, they are crude, not 1/2 done, beta quality crap programs with little or no documentation and terrible hardware support. You can rant and rave all you wish but the bottom line remains and it speaks volumes. "Why on earth would ANYONE spend a dime for Pro-tools/Cubase/Sonar/Waves/Logic/etc" when Linux, which is supposedly faster, on an Intel system is an option? Why? Why? Why? Why? Use your head for a change!!!!! The honest answer is that Linux is a joke. It can't do what the above programs can do. In fact Linux can't even muster up enough ability to do what the crap Voyetra software included with most **** soundcards can do. It's a fact. You can jump, twitch and vibrate all night long but the fact is albums are made everyday with Windows and Mac software. So if Linux is free where is it? Answer nowhere...and that's a fact you can take to the bank. Guess what would happen if Steinberg offered Nuendo free for a week? The internet would stop due to traffic. Linux is free every single day. So where are it's users? |
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Error log for Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:46:00 -0500: climinons caused a Page
Fault at address , details... "Why on earth would ANYONE spend a dime for Pro-tools/Cubase/Sonar/Waves/Logic/etc" when Linux, which is supposedly faster, on an Intel system is an option? What, pray tell, does this have ****-all to do with "Linux"?!? Nothing, nada, nilch, ninguno, zero, zilch, a big goose-egg, null. You are talking about COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS that are developed by a vendor for a particular platform. If said vendor doesn't create a version of the product for Linux, does this imply some lack on Linux? No. So, where are the HP-UX, Solaris, AIX, Irix, or FreeBSD versions of these applications? Huh, what's that? That's right, THERE ARE NONE! Does this mean that all of these platforms are "a joke" IYO as well? I don't think so, natch. If these vendors ever did port these apps to Linux, I can guarantee that they would perform at least 10X better than on Windows. Get a fscking clue, idiot. -- rapskat - 22:23:16 up 3 days, 12:14, 6 users, load average: 2.27, 1.85, 1.64 Let him choose out of my files, his projects to accomplish. -- Shakespeare, "Coriolanus" I am jamming to Prodigy - Poison |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:30:23 -0500, rapskat wrote:
Error log for Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:46:00 -0500: climinons caused a Page Fault at address , details... "Why on earth would ANYONE spend a dime for Pro-tools/Cubase/Sonar/Waves/Logic/etc" when Linux, which is supposedly faster, on an Intel system is an option? What, pray tell, does this have ****-all to do with "Linux"?!? Nothing, nada, nilch, ninguno, zero, zilch, a big goose-egg, null. You are talking about COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS that are developed by a vendor for a particular platform. If said vendor doesn't create a version of the product for Linux, does this imply some lack on Linux? No. So, where are the HP-UX, Solaris, AIX, Irix, or FreeBSD versions of these applications? Huh, what's that? That's right, THERE ARE NONE! Does this mean that all of these platforms are "a joke" IYO as well? I don't think so, natch. If these vendors ever did port these apps to Linux, I can guarantee that they would perform at least 10X better than on Windows. Get a fscking clue, idiot. And Linux doesn't have commercial applications? Ever hear of VMWare? WineX? YOUR argument makes no sense. Nice try though... |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:31:00 -0500, Talbot wrote:
And Linux doesn't have commercial applications? Um...he never said that dimwit. |
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Error log for Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:31:00 -0500: Talbot caused a Page Fault
at address , details... And Linux doesn't have commercial applications? Where did I say it didn't? In case you missed it the first time... Get a fscking clue, idiot. -- rapskat - 18:27:34 up 30 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.15, 0.49 Q: Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? A: God gave New Jersey first choice. |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:46:00 -0500, climinons wrote:
Pro-tools/Cubase/Sonar/Waves/Logic/etc" Pro-tools: Ardour Cubase: Rosegarden Sonar: Ummm...Ardour again? Or M.TRAX Digital Audio Workstation? Waves: They do mostly mastering software right? So the comparable software would be JAMin. Logic: Sequencer right? Rosegarden again. Although there are many many more. Rosegarden is great. I'm surprised you left out things like trackers, we have a fine selection of those too, like Soundtracker and Cheesetracker. And with Jack, our audio applications can work together seamlessly, fully integrated in a way you simply cannot get on Windows. Yes yes, the question of "why spend all that money?" is a very valid one. Why would you? But I guess if you want to have something of quality on such an unstable, POS, OS you just *have* to pay for it. |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:46:00 -0500, climinons wrote:
Linux is a real joke, at least amongst audio professionals. Yeah, like at this studio... http://www.multitrack.us/ |
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In article , rapskat wrote:
Portability - Linux runs on every major hardware architecture in use today. This means that you are not stuck with a particular OS just because you use a particular arch. Got a PowerPC Mac? Linux will run it. And with Mac on Linux, you can run OS X as a user-mode process under Linux, giving you the best of both worlds. If you don't mind the cost of the hardware, probably the best computing platform you can get right now would be a G5 Mac with Linux and MOL. .... Security - Linux was developed from the ground up with security in mind. Unfortunately, most of the applications in a typical distrubtion weren't developed with security in mind. :-( Hell, most distributions still even include sendmail (although fortunately many now default to something sane, like postfix). -- --Tim Smith |
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In article chrisv says...
Oh really? That's funny, I put a CD into my kid's Win2k machine the other day, and it did not play. I had to go to the M$ Web site to download their latest spyware, and was immediately confronted with a demand to enter all sorts of personal information, so that they could verify that I was fully licensed. Only because you manually uninstalled WMP or you manually disabled autorun. There is no other reason that it wouldn't have worked. Did you install WMP because you're a stupid Loonix user thus incapable of finding one of the many free Windows apps available? -- Conor An imperfect plan executed violently is far superior to a perfect plan. -- George Patton |
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