[Trevor Wilson]

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On May 20, 8:14 pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

**I agree. 4WD drivers are far and away the worst on the road (when it
comes
to bicycles). I've had to kick a few doors over the years. Good story. I
hope it was a true one.

You can be sure it is not. Consider the source. Consider the
variations. Consider the cross-posting. The entirety stinks to high
heaven of the usual lies, cries and whimpers of Mr. Jute.


**Not so much. IME (as a cyclist, pedestrian and driver) large 4WD owners
are, far and away, THE most ignorant, inconsiderate and agressive drivers on
the road. By a considerable magin. That part of Andre's story is certainly
factual.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Andre Jute[_2_]]

On May 21, 1:14*am, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message

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Arsehole in a big fourwheel drive cuts across me at a T-junction. He
passes within an inch of my front wheel, so I say into the open
sunroof, "Watch what you do, moron."

The 4WD screeches to a halt and the door slams open, presumably so the
fellow can come ask me who I'm calling a moron. Feet appear as I ride
around the back of the thing, wondering if I should turn the other way
and go home for an aperitif, or stop and cut the dumb ******* down to
nothing or, if he is even more stupid and actually strikes me, teach
him about the kindness of strangers in white uniforms bearing
morphine in the middle of the night.

Just as I come his door, a hand clamps on his collar and jerks him
back into the car. An extremely large lady swats the back of his head,
then smiles engagingly at me over his shoulder. "He's like that. I'm
sorry, mister."

"You're a bit of all right," I said graciously. "A woman's work is
never done, eh?" And I rode on.

She didn't look like she needed any help cutting him down to size!

That was Friday, and I'm still laughing. Every time I see that jerk on
the roads, i'll grab the back of my collar and make a strangled face.
He'll never come near me again!

**I agree. 4WD drivers are far and away the worst on the road (when it comes
to bicycles). I've had to kick a few doors over the years. Good story. I
hope it was a true one.

Sure. The real world only needs to be observed to discover the
bizarre. No point in inventing fiction when so much material lies
around for the taking.

I didn't know you cycled. It seems to me that a larger percentage of
people in the technical trades cycle than from other walks of life.

It used to be back in the days when Volvos had bumpers half the width
of Delaware that Volvo drivers were dangerous to cyclists -- or so my
wife kept telling me when we brought the Volvo estate I bought for her
when our son was born to Ireland -- but today here in Ireland it is
the drivers of Toyota Landcruisers who're a particular menace.

--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Bicycles at
http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/...20CYCLING.html

[Trevor Wilson]

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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On May 21, 1:14 am, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message

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Arsehole in a big fourwheel drive cuts across me at a T-junction. He
passes within an inch of my front wheel, so I say into the open
sunroof, "Watch what you do, moron."

The 4WD screeches to a halt and the door slams open, presumably so the
fellow can come ask me who I'm calling a moron. Feet appear as I ride
around the back of the thing, wondering if I should turn the other way
and go home for an aperitif, or stop and cut the dumb ******* down to
nothing or, if he is even more stupid and actually strikes me, teach
him about the kindness of strangers in white uniforms bearing
morphine in the middle of the night.

Just as I come his door, a hand clamps on his collar and jerks him
back into the car. An extremely large lady swats the back of his head,
then smiles engagingly at me over his shoulder. "He's like that. I'm
sorry, mister."

"You're a bit of all right," I said graciously. "A woman's work is
never done, eh?" And I rode on.

She didn't look like she needed any help cutting him down to size!

That was Friday, and I'm still laughing. Every time I see that jerk on
the roads, i'll grab the back of my collar and make a strangled face.
He'll never come near me again!

**I agree. 4WD drivers are far and away the worst on the road (when it
comes
to bicycles). I've had to kick a few doors over the years. Good story. I
hope it was a true one.

Sure. The real world only needs to be observed to discover the
bizarre. No point in inventing fiction when so much material lies
around for the taking.

I didn't know you cycled.

**Not as seriously as Patrick, nor as seriously as I'd like, but, when I
can, I do. I note that the current trend in Sydney is for un-geared bicycles
(preferably second hand). Which, given the hilly nature of Sydney, seems
more than a little odd. Some riders even remove the brakes (which is
illegal) and 'back pedal' to slow the bicycle. It takes all kinds.

It seems to me that a larger percentage of
people in the technical trades cycle than from other walks of life.

It used to be back in the days when Volvos had bumpers half the width
of Delaware that Volvo drivers were dangerous to cyclists -- or so my
wife kept telling me when we brought the Volvo estate I bought for her
when our son was born to Ireland -- but today here in Ireland it is
the drivers of Toyota Landcruisers who're a particular menace.

**Indeed. Landcruiser drivers are amongst the worst of a bad bunch.

[Ironic, but true story]

One of my mates has several motorcycles. He has a sticker on the back of his
helmet which reads:

'Volvo aware motor cyclist.'

One of his cars is an old 240 Volvo waggon (fitted with a 5 Litre V8, of
course).


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[[email protected]]

On May 20, 9:21*pm, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

**Not so much. IME (as a cyclist, pedestrian and driver) large 4WD owners
are, far and away, THE most ignorant, inconsiderate and agressive drivers on
the road. By a considerable magin. That part of Andre's story is certainly
factual.

Generally SUV drivers feel the imperative to drive such vehicles and
as such might well be a few whales short of a pod. However, the story
Andre created around a commonly held generalization was entirely
fiction and edited several times with several different results before
appearing in its latest version.

Fact and Truth are seldom congruent in his writings - at any level,
technical or otherwise.

But, writing for myself, I have on several occasions been challenged
(while driving) by two-wheeled individuals. My answer to their rants,
always spoken gently enough that they have to shut up in order to hear
is: If I make a mistake, you scratch my paint. If you make a mistake,
you are pretty much dead. I find that the all-leather, no-helmet
motorcycle types to be the most aggressive this way - and the most
surprised when responded to without fear. But city cyclists are not
far behind them in general stupidity and near-total ignorance of
traffic rules. On the other hand, my experience with over-the-road
cyclists is that they are a pretty gentle lot acutely aware of their
vulnerability and do understand the difference between 3600 pounds of
steel at 50mph and 250 pounds of steel and exposed flesh at 30mph.

Being alive and intact is far more important to me than being 'right'
when it comes to driving or cycling. That the other guy is crazy most
all of the time gives me every reason to yield when that option is
possible even with a pretty safe cocoon around me. Andre need take a
lesson from his fictional confrontations (he recently also gave a
story where he was knocked off his bike) - he might not be so lucky
should the real thing ever actually happen to him.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[WB]

Well? I can tell you this. A LOT of people here in the States are
unemployed, cutting back on purchases and the like. But, one business
that is booming and has product flying off the shelves are the gun
stores. Yep, as soon as it was felt that Barak Obama was going to
possibly make it to the Whitehouse, you couldn't keep guns or ammo in
stock. In fact, ammunition is on back order at just about every place.
Even reloading supplies like brass, bullets, primers, and reloading
powder are hard to get. If Obama wants to be a 1 term president all he
has to do is screw with the second amendment. There are a ton of
T-shirts, posters and such that say things like "Yea, you can have my
guns, ammunition first'. Believe me, "We The People" have really had it
with "They the Government% and big business selling our jobs overseas.
Personally I think we need to fire them all come next election and keep
firing them till we get some better people in Washington.
Anyway, sorry about posting this baby on RAT. Y'all just hit a nerve
with me.
Yeah, I heard about that ****...

Some poor old geezer over there was treated to a stay in
the Grey Rock Hotel for whistling "Deutschland Uber Alles"
while he was working in his garden. Plenty more crap
just like that, should one care to dig for it. And Hussein
Obama is way into that globalist ****, so he'll sign off on
global (UN) regulation of the internet if he gets the chance.
Man, I hope that one comes to pass...'cuz I'm some kinda
gonna enjoy seein' some blue-helmeted asswipe comin'
up to my front door to arrest me for dissin' the Emir of
Bum****istan, you betcha. I got a .45 (and several other
calibers) surprise for any "international" turd who tries
some "enforcement" on me for speakin' my mind.

Count on it.


Lord Valve
People's Republic of Obamastan
(Occupied United States of God Damn America)
BaaaaaarrrrrRRRRAAAACCCCCCKKK!! Safety!!

[[email protected]]

On May 25, 6:22*pm, WB wrote:
Well? I can tell you this. A LOT of people here in the States are
unemployed, cutting back on purchases and the like. But, one business
that is booming and has product flying off the shelves are the gun
stores.

Funny thing about guns... It ain't hardly quantity, it is quality and
the ability to use such. I _know_ (and have the paperwork to prove it)
that I can place a round within 1/2 inch (13mm) at 200 yards 8/10
times - 1", 10/10. So, I really don't need an assault rifle for close
work (shotguns do that nicely with less chance of collateral damage),
and such a weapon is wildly stupid at any range at all - a waste of
good ammunition. I also load my own, so I know what I am getting, and
how it works.

So, three fully legal weapons in this household cover very nicely.
Those who purchase out of fear vs. knowledge and skill - I pity them,
as it happens. However, the gun makers live from them.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[Chalo]

pm wrote:

WB wrote:

Well? I can tell you this. A LOT of people here in the States are
unemployed, cutting back on purchases and the like. But, one business
that is booming and has product flying off the shelves are the gun
stores.

Funny thing about guns... It ain't hardly quantity, it is quality and
the ability to use such. I _know_ (and have the paperwork to prove it)
that I can place a round within 1/2 inch (13mm) at 200 yards 8/10
times - 1", 10/10. So, I really don't need an assault rifle for close
work (shotguns do that nicely with less chance of collateral damage),
and such a weapon is wildly stupid at any range at all - a waste of
good ammunition. I also load my own, so I know what I am getting, and
how it works.

So, three fully legal weapons in this household cover very nicely.
Those who purchase out of fear vs. knowledge and skill - I pity them,
as it happens. However, the gun makers live from them.

Are you aware of the average range at which armed confrontations occur
in the civilian population? Hint: your gun does not even need sights,
let alone minute-of-angle accuracy, to be the equal of any other gun
in such a situation.

Most folks who own guns are not adequately armed against overreaching
authorities, professional criminals, or foreign invaders. For them to
try to use their guns in those scenarios would only ensure that they
were among the first casualties.

What most gun owners are really doing, statistically speaking, is
equipping themselves to shoot their loved ones or themselves (or
both).

Chalo

[Hank Wirtz]

On May 25, 4:46*pm, Chalo wrote:
pm wrote:

WB wrote:

Well? I can tell you this. A LOT of people here in the States are
unemployed, cutting back on purchases and the like. But, one business
that is booming and has product flying off the shelves are the gun
stores.

Funny thing about guns... It ain't hardly quantity, it is quality and
the ability to use such. I _know_ (and have the paperwork to prove it)
that I can place a round within 1/2 inch (13mm) at 200 yards 8/10
times - 1", 10/10. So, I really don't need an assault rifle for close
work (shotguns do that nicely with less chance of collateral damage),
and such a weapon is wildly stupid at any range at all - a waste of
good ammunition. I also load my own, so I know what I am getting, and
how it works.

So, three fully legal weapons in this household cover very nicely.
Those who purchase out of fear vs. knowledge and skill - I pity them,
as it happens. However, the gun makers live from them.

Are you aware of the average range at which armed confrontations occur
in the civilian population? *Hint: your gun does not even need sights,
let alone minute-of-angle accuracy, to be the equal of any other gun
in such a situation.

Most folks who own guns are not adequately armed against overreaching
authorities, professional criminals, or foreign invaders. *For them to
try to use their guns in those scenarios would only ensure that they
were among the first casualties.

What most gun owners are really doing, statistically speaking, is
equipping themselves to shoot their loved ones or themselves (or
both).

Chalo

And feeding their own panic...ammo shortage? I'd better stock up! I
wonder why there's a shortage?

[[email protected]]

On May 25, 7:46*pm, Chalo wrote:

What most gun owners are really doing, statistically speaking, is
equipping themselves to shoot their loved ones or themselves (or
both).

Yep. That .44 magnum will get your wife/kid/significant other three
rooms away while missing your brother-in-law dropping in on a surprise
visit. Or the teenager sneaking in late...

Ammo shortage - yeah, right.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

[KeithR]

WB wrote:
Well? I can tell you this. A LOT of people here in the States are
unemployed, cutting back on purchases and the like. But, one business
that is booming and has product flying off the shelves are the gun
stores. Yep, as soon as it was felt that Barak Obama was going to
possibly make it to the Whitehouse, you couldn't keep guns or ammo in
stock. In fact, ammunition is on back order at just about every place.
Even reloading supplies like brass, bullets, primers, and reloading
powder are hard to get. If Obama wants to be a 1 term president all he
has to do is screw with the second amendment. There are a ton of
T-shirts, posters and such that say things like "Yea, you can have my
guns, ammunition first'. Believe me, "We The People" have really had it
with "They the Government% and big business selling our jobs overseas.
Personally I think we need to fire them all come next election and keep
firing them till we get some better people in Washington.
Anyway, sorry about posting this baby on RAT. Y'all just hit a nerve
with me.
Yeah, I heard about that ****...

Some poor old geezer over there was treated to a stay in
the Grey Rock Hotel for whistling "Deutschland Uber Alles"
while he was working in his garden. Plenty more crap
just like that, should one care to dig for it. And Hussein
Obama is way into that globalist ****, so he'll sign off on
global (UN) regulation of the internet if he gets the chance.
Man, I hope that one comes to pass...'cuz I'm some kinda
gonna enjoy seein' some blue-helmeted asswipe comin'
up to my front door to arrest me for dissin' the Emir of
Bum****istan, you betcha. I got a .45 (and several other
calibers) surprise for any "international" turd who tries
some "enforcement" on me for speakin' my mind.

Count on it.


Lord Valve
People's Republic of Obamastan
(Occupied United States of God Damn America)
BaaaaaarrrrrRRRRAAAACCCCCCKKK!! Safety!!


And people ask me why I gave back my green card and came back to
Australia!

[Eeyore[_3_]]

Andre Jute wrote:

On May 18, 6:13 pm, Eeyore
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Arsehole in a big fourwheel drive cuts across me at a T-junction. He
passes within an inch of my front wheel, so I say into the open
sunroof, "Watch what you do, moron."

This belongs in a car group.

May I suggest
uk.rec.driving
rec.autos.driving

They're very entertaining and you may gain some fans there.

Graham

O deary, o leary, Donkeyface. It's about a ride on a bicycle. It would
be unduly provocative in a car group. It was sent to RAT by mistake.

In that case try uk.transport. Even if you're in Eire I'm sure your input
would be welcome. There are cycling groups too.

Graham


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