[Glenn Dowdy[_2_]]

"David Morgan (MAMS)" /Odm wrote in message
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"jakdedert" wrote in message...

You know, I agree with you to a point; but I've got to set standards. I
always used to tell the guys; 'Any gig that you can get with long hair,
you can also get with short hair.

Hmmm.... thank goodness that the 'hair' issue has been dead for
a number of years in my neighborhood. A pony-tail is as good as
a burr in most cases. It's pretty simple to handle actually.... does
the client want short hair or high quality? The contractor should be
offering high quality employees, not hairstyles.

Long or short, pony tails or shaved pate, hair isn't an issue at my company.
I've grown mine out for the first time in my life and it just isn't an
issue, nor were the earrings I wore for years. I deliver results to the
bottom line and that's what gets measured.

Glenn D.

[Glenn Dowdy[_2_]]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
David Morgan \(MAMS\) /Odm wrote:
"jakdedert" wrote in message...

You know, I agree with you to a point; but I've got to set standards. I
always used to tell the guys; 'Any gig that you can get with long hair,
you can also get with short hair.

Hmmm.... thank goodness that the 'hair' issue has been dead for
a number of years in my neighborhood. A pony-tail is as good as
a burr in most cases. It's pretty simple to handle actually.... does
the client want short hair or high quality? The contractor should be
offering high quality employees, not hairstyles.

A friend of mine got his doctorate in CS from MIT only a decade or so
ago and went to interview with some industry outfits. The folks at EDS
only asked him one question, whether he was willing to shave his beard or
not. He's working for IBM now.

I'm looking forward to the integration of two opposing cultures here since
the EDS aquisition.

Glenn D.

[[email protected]]

On 2008-09-05 b05wk.476$Af3.463@trnddc06 said:
Even when running a restaurant and bar years ago I told
employees tardiness was unacceptable, and if you were
regularly late say goodbye to your job.
"Regularly late" is far different from an isolated incident. If I
sat through a traffic accident or my radiator exploded on the
way to work and I was 15 minutes late for a call that was an
hour or more pre-show, and my superior sent me home, I'd
gladly withdraw my name from the crew list after realizing that
I had been working for a self-centered prick. If one can't cover
for, or momentarily fill-in for, a high quality employee who has a
legitimate issue, you don't deserve to be leading that employee
or to be getting the benefit of his services. It's a trade-off
in my opinion.... every situation has to be treated completely
differently, and the crew chief has to be willing to jump into
the job and set an example by either filling the slot himself or
coordinating a smooth, unnoticeable transition for the client.
Agreed. Chronic tardiness is of course waht I reference
here. IN fact I"ll tell anybody that filling in the gaps is
what "manager" means g.
ONe gets a feel for it after awhile as Jack states.

I'll ignore the ad hominem and just say that after twenty years of
providing production labor--around a thousand employees over that
time--I've heard *every* excuse in the book. Some are legitimate
and some aren't.
I would agree with this, and it's easy enough to get a feel
for when you're being fed a line. I'm a little more
tolerant of it in the production business than I was in the
food service industry, after all, flunkies were cheap and
available anywhere. THe more unskilled the position the
less tolerant I am. IF you're a valued employee and you've
got a problem I"ll try to help you solve it. IF not, show
me chronic tardiness and balloney as an excuse a couple of
times, and see ya.

You also get experience of who invariably makes it on time, who
always 'shaves in' at the call time, and those who are chronically
late. Sometimes you try to give a guy a break; but you also have to
hedge your bets and service your client. Sure it's about nurturing
the employees, but if they don't show up, pretty soon you won't
have any clients who will give you money to pay them.
You're probably one of those guys who '...has done this for xx
years and it's never been a problem.' Well, perhaps that's true.
Or perhaps you're in a different business.
Always provide quality service to the customers or clients,
that's what it's about. Part of that is having crew that
shows up. I just don't deal well with chronically late for
no good reason than poor planning. Even "stuck in traffic"
if it happens too often to the same individual ceases to be
a valid ecuse. LEave five minutes earlier, whatever it
takes.



Richard webb,
replace anything before at with elspider

[hank alrich]

Glenn Dowdy wrote:

"David Morgan (MAMS)" /Odm wrote in message
news:C65wk.477$Af3.143@trnddc06...

"jakdedert" wrote in message...

You know, I agree with you to a point; but I've got to set standards. I
always used to tell the guys; 'Any gig that you can get with long hair,
you can also get with short hair.

Hmmm.... thank goodness that the 'hair' issue has been dead for
a number of years in my neighborhood. A pony-tail is as good as
a burr in most cases. It's pretty simple to handle actually.... does
the client want short hair or high quality? The contractor should be
offering high quality employees, not hairstyles.

Long or short, pony tails or shaved pate, hair isn't an issue at my company.
I've grown mine out for the first time in my life and it just isn't an
issue, nor were the earrings I wore for years. I deliver results to the
bottom line and that's what gets measured.

What a concept! g

--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam

[jakdedert]

Glenn Dowdy wrote:
"David Morgan (MAMS)" /Odm wrote in message
news:C65wk.477$Af3.143@trnddc06...
"jakdedert" wrote in message...

You know, I agree with you to a point; but I've got to set standards. I
always used to tell the guys; 'Any gig that you can get with long hair,
you can also get with short hair.
Hmmm.... thank goodness that the 'hair' issue has been dead for
a number of years in my neighborhood. A pony-tail is as good as
a burr in most cases. It's pretty simple to handle actually.... does
the client want short hair or high quality? The contractor should be
offering high quality employees, not hairstyles.

Long or short, pony tails or shaved pate, hair isn't an issue at my company.
I've grown mine out for the first time in my life and it just isn't an
issue, nor were the earrings I wore for years. I deliver results to the
bottom line and that's what gets measured.

Glenn D.


I don't give a spit 'what' you or anybody else does with your hair. My
clients, OTOH, who are *paying me* do...at least often enough to simply
avoid making it an issue.

It's not like I'm hiring rocket scientists. If a certain talent was
unobtainium--with only certain rare, outstanding individuals able to do
it--it might be different. Usually what we're looking for is reasonably
bright, energetic folks, with a good attitude and work ethic...able to
hook up a simple sound system and projection correctly and neatly in a
hurry. Not 'nothing', but hardly brain surgery.

The guys I hire to load trucks; I don't care. At all...as long as
they're strong and safe.

jak

[Glenn Dowdy[_2_]]

"jakdedert" wrote in message
. ..

I don't give a spit 'what' you or anybody else does with your hair. My
clients, OTOH, who are *paying me* do...at least often enough to simply
avoid making it an issue.

There's the difference; I'm the guy spending millions of dollars, so my
suppliers aren't real concerned with my hair, either. They just want my
checkbook.

Even Asia has turned casual. I've been to meetings in Japan where only the
number one guy wore a suit and tie. Weird. In Taiwan and China, it's the
same way, with some meetings completely suitless/tieless.

Glenn D.

[jakdedert]

Glenn Dowdy wrote:
"jakdedert" wrote in message
. ..
I don't give a spit 'what' you or anybody else does with your hair. My
clients, OTOH, who are *paying me* do...at least often enough to simply
avoid making it an issue.

There's the difference; I'm the guy spending millions of dollars, so my
suppliers aren't real concerned with my hair, either. They just want my
checkbook.

Even Asia has turned casual. I've been to meetings in Japan where only the
number one guy wore a suit and tie. Weird. In Taiwan and China, it's the
same way, with some meetings completely suitless/tieless.

Glenn D.


I've done some work at the Caterpillar Financial Services world
headquarters here in Nashville. Many of these guys worked themselves up
through construction, or other industries that Cat services. It's rare
to see a suit there. There's even a scattering of long hair on men, but
neat & clean, and on time is still the rule...

....and the better-dressed ones are usually the ones advancing faster and
making more money. There's the occasional maverick, but usually someone
who is essential, and who delivers something better than nearly anyone
else can, for the money...not the rank & file.

jak

[[email protected]]

On 2008-09-05 said:
Long or short, pony tails or shaved pate, hair isn't an issue at my
company. I've grown mine out for the first time in my life and it
just isn't an issue, nor were the earrings I wore for years. I
deliver results to the bottom line and that's what gets measured.

I'd happen to agree, but in the live production environment
many times the appearance of crew that the client must
interact with does make a difference, to the client. AS I
commented earlier, I may be wearing my nice tailored suit
when I meet the client, but I"m hidden away in a remote
truck during the actual event. IF the client deems it
important crew that he/she sees will be wearing the style of
clothing and showing other appearance features he deems
desirable. My only real concerns are in the nature of
safety. still, if I bring personnel that offend the client
due to issues such as dress or hairstyle they won't call me
back again. HEll I'm a blind man, what you wear or appear
as doesn't matter to me as long as you can do the job
competently, but it does matter to the client.

I don't work in a cubicle at an office somewhere, and the
appearance that I present to the client is important to him
or her, as well as the appearance of crew members I hire.
IF it's important to him/her it's important to me.





Richard webb,
replace anything before at with elspider

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"jakdedert" wrote...

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

wrote in message...

Even when running a restaurant and bar years ago I told
employees tardiness was unacceptable, and if you were
regularly late say goodbye to your job.

"Regularly late" is far different from an isolated incident. If I
sat through a traffic accident or my radiator exploded on the
way to work and I was 15 minutes late for a call that was an
hour or more pre-show, and my superior sent me home, I'd
gladly withdraw my name from the crew list after realizing that
I had been working for a self-centered prick. If one can't cover
for, or momentarily fill-in for, a high quality employee who has a
legitimate issue, you don't deserve to be leading that employee
or to be getting the benefit of his services. It's a trade-off in my
opinion.... every situation has to be treated completely differently,
and the crew chief has to be willing to jump into the job and set
an example by either filling the slot himself or coordinating a
smooth, unnoticeable transition for the client. More than anything,
he has to be willing to keep, mold and nurture good employees.

That's not to say that the idiot who drags in late smelling of pot or
alcohol, or just can't focus and alternates thumbs between mouth
and asshole, deserves much of a break.

DM


I'll ignore the ad hominem

Please do... it was an observation and not directed at ANYONE.

and just say that after twenty years of
providing production labor--around a thousand employees over that
time--I've heard *every* excuse in the book. Some are legitimate and
some aren't. For instance, 'Sorry I didn't call, but my band got a last
minute appointment for publicity pictures....' How about, I hurt my
back on the last call, and I couldn't go to the doctor because I
couldn't pass the **** test. So I didn't show up.'?

Those are definitely the "bye-bye now..." types. No question.

Believe me, you get a feel for legitimate vs illegitimate excuses.

Yes... you do.... so it's a little odd that you said you would, as a blanket
application, dismiss any tardy employee. I think you were just carried
away in the descipline department yesterday. ;-) I couldn't resist
comment after Richard's response.

Sure it's about nurturing the employees,
but if they don't show up, pretty soon you won't have any clients who
will give you money to pay them.

Agreed.

You're probably one of those guys who '...has done this for xx years and
it's never been a problem.' Well, perhaps that's true. Or perhaps
you're in a different business.

Can't say as that's true at all.... I'm usually on the subcontractor end
of things.... working for you in one of your breakout rooms. Life has
it's spills and oddities, and I've been late before.

DM

[Romeo Rondeau[_4_]]

Can't say as that's true at all.... I'm usually on the subcontractor end
of things.... working for you in one of your breakout rooms. Life has
it's spills and oddities, and I've been late before.

DM

*cough* :-)

[Joe Kotroczo]

On 4/09/08 20:15, in article , "hank
alrich" wrote:

Richard Crowley wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote ...
Go ahead, judge your books by their covers. Einstein was not a tidy
dresser.

He dressed that way because he had better things to think about.
It appears that the slob generation dresses that way as some sort
of social protest. Or maybe just simple laziness.


So you knew him personally, eh? Do tell us more. I'm sure you must have
some good stories...

Actually, Einstein had ADD.

--
Joe Kotroczo

[Joe Kotroczo]

On 5/09/08 13:10, in article ,
"George's ProSound Company" wrote:


"David Morgan (MAMS)" /Odm wrote in message
news:C65wk.477$Af3.143@trnddc06...

"jakdedert" wrote in message...

You know, I agree with you to a point; but I've got to set standards. I
always used to tell the guys; 'Any gig that you can get with long hair,
you can also get with short hair.

Hmmm.... thank goodness that the 'hair' issue has been dead for
a number of years in my neighborhood. A pony-tail is as good as
a burr in most cases. It's pretty simple to handle actually.... does
the client want short hair or high quality? The contractor should be
offering high quality employees, not hairstyles.


DM

every client is diffrent
I worked for the president, as the company owner, when I had a ponytail
I have cut my hair now, but if a client asks for business presentable, thats
what they get

I have had to go buy blue slacks and white shirtes and ties for a entire
crew more than once
George

I honestly don't get the whole tie thing. I understand the need for a neat &
clean appearance and have no problem wearing a suit if appropriate, but why
do people wear ties? I never got that. I've never worn one either.


--
Joe Kotroczo

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message...

Can't say as that's true at all.... I'm usually on the subcontractor end
of things.... working for you in one of your breakout rooms. Life has
it's spills and oddities, and I've been late before.

*cough* :-)

And I've been on time, too. ;-) Occasionally....

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message ...
On 4/09/08 20:15, in article , "hank
alrich" wrote:

Richard Crowley wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote ...
Go ahead, judge your books by their covers. Einstein was not a tidy
dresser.

He dressed that way because he had better things to think about.
It appears that the slob generation dresses that way as some sort
of social protest. Or maybe just simple laziness.


So you knew him personally, eh? Do tell us more. I'm sure you must have
some good stories...

Actually, Einstein had ADD.

That means he probably had subtract, multiply and divide, too... right ?

[Joe Kotroczo]

On 6/09/08 6:28, in article 7Gnwk.621$sq3.254@trnddc07, "David Morgan
(MAMS)" /Odm wrote:


"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message
...
On 4/09/08 20:15, in article , "hank
alrich" wrote:

Richard Crowley wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote ...
Go ahead, judge your books by their covers. Einstein was not a tidy
dresser.

He dressed that way because he had better things to think about.
It appears that the slob generation dresses that way as some sort
of social protest. Or maybe just simple laziness.


So you knew him personally, eh? Do tell us more. I'm sure you must have
some good stories...

Actually, Einstein had ADD.

That means he probably had subtract, multiply and divide, too... right ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_a...ficit_disorder

--
Joe Kotroczo

[Romeo Rondeau[_4_]]

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message...

Can't say as that's true at all.... I'm usually on the subcontractor end
of things.... working for you in one of your breakout rooms. Life has
it's spills and oddities, and I've been late before.

*cough* :-)

And I've been on time, too. ;-) Occasionally....

Hey, I've never heard anybody complain about your work. That's what
really matters.