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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. Perhaps you need to temper your "snark" and start making nice to some quality musicians. What you can't grasp Harry is the fact that people like you work hard to get a certain reaction, and your efforts in that regard with me have and will pay off. |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 20, 8:06 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in [Nor] professional recording engineer, putting to one side your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the church choir for which you also do the live sound was the proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a "professional," Curious. Not at all. My statement was based on your own words as posted on r.a.p. Really? When was that? No doubt a questionable interpretation, such as the others we've seen from you lately, John. "We"? Oh yes. Of course you probably stay away from places where you aren't fawned over. Mr. Krueger, it appears that you have indeed admitted that you are not a professional engineer. I am not a professional engineer... Yet in another thread, you are claiming that my making the same statement about your lack of status as a "professional" is incorrect. Not the same statement. Of course the difference is beyond your capability to understand. Are there _2_ Arny Kruegers posting here, with opposed views? Is that why Mr/ Krueger uses the first- person plural? because those words have legal meaning in the State of Michigan, which I would be a fool to pretend to be. Yet the Google record is clear, Mr. Krueger, that until other recording engineers like Iain Churches noticed and complained, you were indeed "pretending" to be a "professional" recording engineer. Well that's another example of your ignorance John. Iain Churches has said that he is a producer and most specifically not a recording engineer. It's possible for some people to be both a producer and an engineer, but he lacks the technical chops to be an engineer. Iain has made numerous false claims in the past, and had embarked on his vendetta against me long before he started going off on this recording engineer thing. John, Iain has claimed in the recent past that a person with your skill set and accomplishments can't exist. He seems to be back pedaling right now. Thank you at long last for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. Sue me for having both hobbies and also doing professional work in a number of areas. And as I have said, there is nothing wrong with that. I think it was true before you said it John, but I could be wrong about that! |
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On Jan 20, 1:17*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. *And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. But now it's "we." So who else helps you make recordings, other than the musicians and hall proprietors? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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On Jan 20, 1:23*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 8:06 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in [Nor] professional recording engineer, putting to one side your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the church choir for which you also do the live sound was the proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a "professional," Curious. Not at all. My statement was based on your own words as posted *on r.a.p. Really? When was that? Initially in 2005. First on rec.audio.pro and more recently on r.a.o. See, for example, message where you asked: Given that people occasionally pay me for some of my audio efforts, can't I squeek by as a professional? When they have to hire someone to do my job at church, its a $150 gig for him. Small pototoes in the larger view, but isn't creating value at the rate of about $8K a year worth some kind of standing? Small "pototoes" that kind of income may be may be, Mr. Krueger, but as you actually work for free, it still doesn't define you as a "professional" recording engineer as you subsequently argued. No doubt a questionable interpretation, such as the others we've seen from you lately, John. "We"? Oh yes. Of course you probably stay away from places where you aren't fawned over. Not at all, as you well know, Mr. Krueger, having appeared on-stage with me. BTW, my experience has been that those who habiutally use the first-person plural and therefore claim to be speaking on behalf of unnamed others, are really just revealing their own insecurities. Thank you at long last for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. Sue me for having both hobbies and also doing professional work in a number of areas. But, contrary to your public claims in the past, and as you now admit, Mr. Krueger, _not_ as a "professional" recording engineer. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#45
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"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 20, 1:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. Not at all. As usual John, you're it all up. The problem is not that I'm just one person because after all you're just one person and you have proven that you have access to all that. No the difference is that you are John Atkinson, editor of what may be the largest high end ragazine in the US with some of its resources behind you which narrow your focus to audio, and I'm Arny Krueger, just a guy trying to make over a 54 year old church sanctuary on a well-stretched shoestring. Furthermore, me making good audio recordings is subordinate to a larger scale effort that includes theatrical lighting and video. But now it's "we." So who else helps you make recordings, other than the musicians and hall proprietors? I was speaking of those persons and others involved in video and lighting, since we are a team. |
#46
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"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 20, 1:23 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 8:06 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in [Nor] professional recording engineer, putting to one side your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the church choir for which you also do the live sound was the proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a "professional," Curious. Not at all. My statement was based on your own words as posted on r.a.p. Really? When was that? Initially in 2005. First on rec.audio.pro and more recently on r.a.o. See, for example, message where you asked: Given that people occasionally pay me for some of my audio efforts, can't I squeek by as a professional? When they have to hire someone to do my job at church, its a $150 gig for him. Small potatoes in the larger view, but isn't creating value at the rate of about $8K a year worth some kind of standing? Ah, something far less clear than a direct claim. Now comes the predictable twist and turn session: Small "pototoes" that kind of income may be may be, Mr. Krueger, but as you actually work for free, it still doesn't define you as a "professional" recording engineer as you subsequently argued. It does not in my view then or now create a unqualified qualification, as the phrase "squeak by" and question mark indicate. I base my stronger current argument that I am a professional recordist on the music festival work that I do which is a whole 'nuther thing than my church work. No doubt a questionable interpretation, such as the others we've seen from you lately, John. "We"? Oh yes. Of course you probably stay away from places where you aren't fawned over. Not at all, as you well know, Mr. Krueger, having appeared on-stage with me. Come on John, the audience was full of your fans. Other than myself, Mssrs Nousaine and Sullivan, who was there representing the pro-science viewpoint? BTW, my experience has been that those who habiutally (sic) use the first-person plural and therefore claim to be speaking on behalf of unnamed others, are really just revealing their own insecurities. No habit John just something that you are obviously not having a close relationship - the facts. Thank you at long last for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. Sue me for having both hobbies and also doing professional work in a number of areas. But, contrary to your public claims in the past, and as you now admit, Mr. Krueger, _not_ as a "professional" recording engineer. Any such admission in the here and now is a figment of your imagination, John. Such figments seem to specially afflict persons who have based much if not all of their working careers on perceiving and writing about imaginary differences. |
#47
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On Jan 20, 3:13*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in Small "pototoes" that kind of income may be may be, Mr. Krueger, but as you actually work for free, it still doesn't define you as a "professional" recording engineer as you subsequently argued. It does not in my view then or now create a unqualified qualification, as the phrase "squeak by" and question mark indicate. I base my stronger current argument that I am a professional recordist on the music festival work that I do which is a whole 'nuther thing than my church work. Here's the dealio, GOIA: I have played in front of thousands of people, collectively tens of thousands. The largest group I have performed in front of at a single gig is about 5,000. I have played in some of the top clubs in this city. I have performed session work in a studio. I have given lessons. I have been paid for every one of those activities. I am not a "professional" musician. The most I could claim is being a "semi-professional". That is also the most you could possibly claim. You are not a "professional" anything unless you derive your living from that activity: semiprofessional Adjective 1. (of a person) engaged in an activity or sport part time for pay 2. (of an activity or sport) engaged in by semiprofessional people http://www.thefreedictionary.com/semiprofessional Note the "part-time". Now one definition of a professional is this: A skilled practitioner; an expert. But since you've admitted yourself that your recordings are substandard this certainly doesn't apply to you. LOL! |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in message snip Oh yes. Of course you probably stay away from places where you aren't fawned over. Not at all, as you well know, Mr. Krueger, having appeared on-stage with me. Come on John, the audience was full of your fans. Other than myself, Mssrs Nousaine and Sullivan, who was there representing the pro-science viewpoint? And you know this how, Arny? You interviewed everybody? You've had every person in that room pegged -- pro-Arny, pro-John? I don't think so. You really are condescending to a whole bunch of people you do not know, whose presence at a Stereophile show and forum does not neccessarily mean they are in John's hip pocket. And many of whom are serious, objective audiophiles, I would guess. |
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On Jan 20, 4:05*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 1:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. Not at all. Those, again, were your own words, Mr. Krueger. As usual John, you're it all up. I'm it all up? If you say so, Mr. Krueger. :-) The problem is not that I'm just one person because after all you're just one person and you have proven that you have access to all that. The access is not taken for granted, Mr. Krueger, it is the result of a lot of hard work. No the difference is that you are John Atkinson, editor of what may be the largest high end ragazine in the US with some of its resources behind you... Actually, the Stereophile recordings are financed upfront by me, from soup to nuts, as they say. The magazine leases the masters from me and pays for the resultant CD's pressing and distribution costs. And I didn't get to be the editor of "the largest high end ragazine in the US" without a large amount of work on my part. ...and I'm Arny Krueger, just a guy trying to make over a 54 year old church sanctuary on a well-stretched shoestring. Sigh. There's nothing to stop you exploring other halls, other musicians, Mr. Krueger. You just have to care enough about the end result which in turn means caring about the details. When I record piano, for example, at my expense I have the instrument voiced to suit the performer's needs before the start of the first session and tuned before each subsequent session. If you want good piano sound, start with a well-tuned piano. If you don't take that care, it doesn't really matter how good your microphones are nor how carefully you place them. Furthermore, me making good audio recordings is subordinate *to a larger scale effort that includes theatrical lighting and video. Nothing complicates a good audio recording situation more than having to allow for video. But why don't you record at the rehearsal when the video and lighting are not necessary? Face it Mr. Krueger, all you are offering is excuses. If you really cared about recording high-quality audio, you would make the effort. That you don't make that effort is all too informative about your lack of "professional" status, I am afraid. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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Arny is a big hypocrite.
On Jan 20, 4:04�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message If it were me, I'd do the following: �Put up flyers at Wayne State and at WCCC music departments. �On the flyer, state that you are a RE, wanting to practice. �You'll record them for (fill in very inexpensive $ amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the college. Send a letter to each member of the Applied Music (private lesson) faculty, making the offer. �Tell them that their students (or they themselves) get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve the hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording. �It need not be a performance. �The student and/or the Applied faculty should jump at the chance, especially for students who have their final undergrad or grad recital coming up. �It doesn't matter if there is a recording program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they would charge for the recording. �If you don't, they will use you. �You can get practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a student. �It costs you nothing but your time. My time is way too valuable to waste time trying to please a bunch of RAO trolls with a recording to **** on. The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. BTW, I have far better contacts at Wayne than that.- I'll save this post for every time you start to claim victory after someone doesn't provide you with proof, you big coward. Boon |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 20, 4:05 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 1:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. Not at all. Those, again, were your own words, Mr. Krueger. The words were mine, but John your interpretation of them was from outer space. The problem is not that I'm just one person because after all you're just one person and you have proven that you have access to all that. The access is not taken for granted, Mr. Krueger, it is the result of a lot of hard work. Yup. OTOH, I don't believe that you've ever actually done significant architectural mods on any of the venues you've recorded in. No the difference is that you are John Atkinson, editor of what may be the largest high end ragazine in the US with some of its resources behind you... Actually, the Stereophile recordings are financed upfront by me, from soup to nuts, as they say. The magazine leases the masters from me and pays for the resultant CD's pressing and distribution costs. And I didn't get to be the editor of "the largest high end ragazine in the US" without a large amount of work on my part. Not to mention what many consider to be excessive amounts of shading the truth and more than a little of what some call outright prevarication and others call technical incompetence in the service of advertising. ...and I'm Arny Krueger, just a guy trying to make over a 54 year old church sanctuary on a well-stretched shoestring. Sigh. There's nothing to stop you exploring other halls, other musicians, Mr. Krueger. Nothing but priorities. You just have to care enough about the end result which in turn means caring about the details. Well lets see, this will be the second time today I post here that for me the journey may be more important than the destination. Certainly as important. When I record piano, for example, at my expense I have the instrument voiced to suit the performer's needs before the start of the first session and tuned before each subsequent session. If you want good piano sound, start with a well-tuned piano. If you don't take that care, it doesn't really matter how good your microphones are nor how carefully you place them. Agreed. Furthermore, me making good audio recordings is subordinate to a larger scale effort that includes theatrical lighting and video. Nothing complicates a good audio recording situation more than having to allow for video. But why don't you record at the rehearsal when the video and lighting are not necessary? I guess you've just never seen video or lighting complex enough to take significant rehearsing, John. Face it Mr. Krueger, all you are offering is excuses. I don't feel any need to make excuses for charting my own path and following it. If you really cared about recording high-quality audio, you would make the effort. My greatest interest is the total experience, not just one part of it. Its about serving 3 course dinners, not just an entre. That you don't make that effort is all too informative about your lack of "professional" status, I am afraid. Not at all, it is just an indication that am part of a world that is composed of more than just audio. |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in message snip Oh yes. Of course you probably stay away from places where you aren't fawned over. Not at all, as you well know, Mr. Krueger, having appeared on-stage with me. Come on John, the audience was full of your fans. Other than myself, Mssrs Nousaine and Sullivan, who was there representing the pro-science viewpoint? And you know this how, Arny? Hmm Harry Lavo is another one of those partial illiterates who doesn't know what a question mark means. You interviewed everybody? I didn't have to do any such thing to frame the question. You've had every person in that room pegged -- pro-Arny, pro-John? I don't think so. You really are condescending to a whole bunch of people you do not know, whose presence at a Stereophile show and forum does not neccessarily mean they are in John's hip pocket. And many of whom are serious, objective audiophiles, I would guess. Well Harry, did that melt down make you feel better? Might I suggest a high colonic to further improve your feelings of self-worth? ;-) |
#53
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message ... On Jan 20, 4:05 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 1:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. Not at all. Those, again, were your own words, Mr. Krueger. As usual John, you're it all up. I'm it all up? If you say so, Mr. Krueger. :-) The problem is not that I'm just one person because after all you're just one person and you have proven that you have access to all that. The access is not taken for granted, Mr. Krueger, it is the result of a lot of hard work. No the difference is that you are John Atkinson, editor of what may be the largest high end ragazine in the US with some of its resources behind you... Actually, the Stereophile recordings are financed upfront by me, from soup to nuts, as they say. The magazine leases the masters from me and pays for the resultant CD's pressing and distribution costs. And I didn't get to be the editor of "the largest high end ragazine in the US" without a large amount of work on my part. ...and I'm Arny Krueger, just a guy trying to make over a 54 year old church sanctuary on a well-stretched shoestring. Sigh. There's nothing to stop you exploring other halls, other musicians, Mr. Krueger. You just have to care enough about the end result which in turn means caring about the details. When I record piano, for example, at my expense I have the instrument voiced to suit the performer's needs before the start of the first session and tuned before each subsequent session. If you want good piano sound, start with a well-tuned piano. If you don't take that care, it doesn't really matter how good your microphones are nor how carefully you place them. Furthermore, me making good audio recordings is subordinate to a larger scale effort that includes theatrical lighting and video. Nothing complicates a good audio recording situation more than having to allow for video. But why don't you record at the rehearsal when the video and lighting are not necessary? Face it Mr. Krueger, all you are offering is excuses. If you really cared about recording high-quality audio, you would make the effort. That you don't make that effort is all too informative about your lack of "professional" status, I am afraid. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile Hear, Hear!! Absolutely true.,...every word of it. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in message snip Oh yes. Of course you probably stay away from places where you aren't fawned over. Not at all, as you well know, Mr. Krueger, having appeared on-stage with me. Come on John, the audience was full of your fans. Other than myself, Mssrs Nousaine and Sullivan, who was there representing the pro-science viewpoint? And you know this how, Arny? Hmm Harry Lavo is another one of those partial illiterates who doesn't know what a question mark means. A question is a question, no matter how phrased, Arny. Illiterate I ain't. I even know how to use words for "effect". You interviewed everybody? I didn't have to do any such thing to frame the question. Since your "question" was part of a churlish put-down of John, Arny, you presume to know the question's answer, and you presume John has some way of knowing the answer as well. Neither of which presumptions have much chance of being true. That's a matter of logic, Arny. You've had every person in that room pegged -- pro-Arny, pro-John? I don't think so. You really are condescending to a whole bunch of people you do not know, whose presence at a Stereophile show and forum does not neccessarily mean they are in John's hip pocket. And many of whom are serious, objective audiophiles, I would guess. Well Harry, did that melt down make you feel better? Might I suggest a high colonic to further improve your feelings of self-worth? ;-) No melt-down on my part, Arny. Just simply refusing to let you get away with your churlish behavior without bringing it to your attention, in all it's churlishness. You do know what the word churlish means, don't you? Without looking it up in Wikopedia or Websters? |
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On Jan 20, 5:39 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 4:05 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 1:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. Not at all. Those, again, were your own words, Mr. Krueger. The words were mine... Thank you for the admission, Mr. Krueger. but John your interpretation of them was from outer space. Not hardly, Mr. Krueger, unless you are suggesting as you have done before on this newsgroup that the word you choose to to use are not the correct ones to accurately convey your meaning. :-) The problem is not that I'm just one person because after all you're just one person and you have proven that you have access to all that. The access is not taken for granted, Mr. Krueger, it is the result of a lot of hard work. Yup. OTOH, I don't believe that you've ever actually done significant architectural mods on any of the venues you've recorded in. No. What I do, Mr. Krueger, as someone who is concerned about the ultimate sound quality of the project is to look for and use halls that sound good without architectural mods, halls that have the appropriate acoustics for the kind of music. In the last 10 years, I have recorded in California, Kansas, Indiana, South Dakota, New York, Montreal, several locations in Minnesota, and Henry Wood Hall in London. Not one of them required me to do any building construction, though the hall in Goshen, Indiana, and Henry Wood Hall do have acoustics that can be modified with peripeheral drapes. No the difference is that you are John Atkinson, editor of what may be the largest high end ragazine in the US with some of its resources behind you... Actually, the Stereophile recordings are financed upfront by me, from soup to nuts, as they say. The magazine leases the masters from me and pays for the resultant CD's pressing and distribution costs. And I didn't get to be the editor of "the largest high end ragazine in the US" without a large amount of work on my part. Not to mention what many consider to be excessive amounts of shading the truth and more than a little of what some call outright prevarication and others call technical incompetence in the service of advertising. Ah the usual Arny Krueger "debating trade" tricks of a) descending into insults and b) quoting unnamed others who share his views. Whats the word, Mr. Krueger, that describes this behavior of yours? Ah yes, bull****! ...and I'm Arny Krueger, just a guy trying to make over a 54 year old church sanctuary on a well-stretched shoestring. Sigh. There's nothing to stop you exploring other halls, other musicians, Mr. Krueger. Nothing but priorities. Well, if you are are a "professional" recording engineer, as you have been claiming, Mr. Krueger, what other priorities exist? You just have to care enough about the end result which in turn means caring about the details. Well lets see, this will be the second time today I post here that for me the journey may be more important than the destination. Certainly as important. Putting aside your non-sequitur, Mr. Krueger, all I can assume that the destination doesn't matter to you, given all the excuses you have come up with about why your recordings don't sound good enough for others to hear. When I record piano, for example, at my expense I have the instrument voiced to suit the performer's needs before the start of the first session and tuned before each subsequent session. If you want good piano sound, start with a well-tuned piano. If you don't take that care, it doesn't really matter how good your microphones are nor how carefully you place them. Agreed. So why then don't you apply similar care and attention to detail with _your_ sound recordings, Mr. Krueger? That's all part and parcel of being a professional recording engineer. Furthermore, me making good audio recordings is subordinate to a larger scale effort that includes theatrical lighting and video. Nothing complicates a good audio recording situation more than having to allow for video. But why don't you record at the rehearsal when the video and lighting are not necessary? I guess you've just never seen video or lighting complex enough to take significant rehearsing, John. Of course I have. But surely you are not saying that the musicians you choose to record _never_ rehearse without complex video and lighting? As I said, you are just throwing up excuse after excuse as to why your own recordings, by your own words, Mr. Krueger, are not up to your own standards of quality. If you really cared about recording high-quality audio, you would make the effort. My greatest interest is the total experience, not just one part of it. Its about serving 3 course dinners, not just an entre. But as someone who used to claim to be a "professional recording engineer," your responsibility _was_ the entree. How do you explain your failure in that department to those who employ you? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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message On Jan 20, 5:39 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 4:05 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 20, 1:17 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote in message Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they can usually find a decent sounding place. Other than the decent sounding space, we've got some of those resources in place already. "We"? Up to now you have been complaining that your recordings are not of good enough quality to be shared with others, Mr. Krueger, because, among many other reasons, you are just one person and cannot be expected to have the same resources, equipment, and access to halls and performers. Not at all. Those, again, were your own words, Mr. Krueger. The words were mine... Thank you for the admission, Mr. Krueger. but John your interpretation of them was from outer space. Not hardly, Mr. Krueger, unless you are suggesting as you have done before on this newsgroup that the word you choose to to use are not the correct ones to accurately convey your meaning. :-) No john, the fault is with you. The problem is not that I'm just one person because after all you're just one person and you have proven that you have access to all that. The access is not taken for granted, Mr. Krueger, it is the result of a lot of hard work. Yup. OTOH, I don't believe that you've ever actually done significant architectural mods on any of the venues you've recorded in. No. What I do, Mr. Krueger, as someone who is concerned about the ultimate sound quality of the project is to look for and use halls that sound good without architectural mods, halls that have the appropriate acoustics for the kind of music. That's one big difference between you and I, John. We have different goals and are doing different things to achieve them. Seems like a simple concept but somehow you don't seem to be getting it. In the last 10 years, I have recorded in California, Kansas, Indiana, South Dakota, New York, Montreal, several locations in Minnesota, and Henry Wood Hall in London. Not one of them required me to do any building construction, though the hall in Goshen, Indiana, and Henry Wood Hall do have acoustics that can be modified with peripheral drapes. How many square feet of drapes would it take to make a difference in a room with over 20,000 square feet of wall, floor and ceiling space, given that it has no appreciable absorptive surfaces in it at all? No the difference is that you are John Atkinson, editor of what may be the largest high end ragazine in the US with some of its resources behind you... Actually, the Stereophile recordings are financed upfront by me, from soup to nuts, as they say. The magazine leases the masters from me and pays for the resultant CD's pressing and distribution costs. And I didn't get to be the editor of "the largest high end ragazine in the US" without a large amount of work on my part. Not to mention what many consider to be excessive amounts of shading the truth and more than a little of what some call outright prevarication and others call technical incompetence in the service of advertising. Ah the usual Arny Krueger "debating trade" tricks of a) descending into insults and b) quoting unnamed others who share his views. Whats the word, Mr. Krueger, that describes this behavior of yours? Ah yes, bull****! Yes John, it is bs for you to characterize your critics this way. ...and I'm Arny Krueger, just a guy trying to make over a 54 year old church sanctuary on a well-stretched shoestring. Sigh. There's nothing to stop you exploring other halls, other musicians, Mr. Krueger. Nothing but priorities. Well, if you are are a "professional" recording engineer, as you have been claiming, Mr. Krueger, what other priorities exist? The priorities that are involved by my other areas of involvement. You just have to care enough about the end result which in turn means caring about the details. Well lets see, this will be the second time today I post here that for me the journey may be more important than the destination. Certainly as important. Putting aside your non-sequitur, Mr. Krueger, all I can assume that the destination doesn't matter to you, given all the excuses you have come up with about why your recordings don't sound good enough for others to hear. I never said that my recordings don't sound good enough for others to hear. This is just another example of your inability to realize that not everything is a global issue. What I said is that the recordings that I might have the right to distribute are not up to my standards. I wonder how many times that I'll have to say this before you get it, John? When I record piano, for example, at my expense I have the instrument voiced to suit the performer's needs before the start of the first session and tuned before each subsequent session. If you want good piano sound, start with a well-tuned piano. If you don't take that care, it doesn't really matter how good your microphones are nor how carefully you place them. Agreed. Piano tuning is not very expensive, and it can be a reasonable precaution. So why then don't you apply similar care and attention to detail with _your_ sound recordings, Mr. Krueger? That's all part and parcel of being a professional recording engineer. Priorites, John. The great sound of a well-tuned piano is lost if the piano at hand is mediocre, or if it is trapped in a room with very poor acoustics. Furthermore, me making good audio recordings is subordinate to a larger scale effort that includes theatrical lighting and video. Nothing complicates a good audio recording situation more than having to allow for video. But why don't you record at the rehearsal when the video and lighting are not necessary? I guess you've just never seen video or lighting complex enough to take significant rehearsing, John. Of course I have. But surely you are not saying that the musicians you choose to record _never_ rehearse without complex video and lighting? No, John it is that we rehearse the lighting at the same time they are rehearsing their music. As I said, you are just throwing up excuse after excuse as to why your own recordings, by your own words, Mr. Krueger, are not up to your own standards of quality. Not excuses John. Reasons. You seem to be incapable of relating to people who don't have the identical same priorities as you do. If you really cared about recording high-quality audio, you would make the effort. My greatest interest is the total experience, not just one part of it. Its about serving 3 course dinners, not just an entrée. But as someone who used to claim to be a "professional recording engineer," your responsibility _was_ the entree. As I continue to waste my time by casting pearls before a swine, I must repeat to the swine that my priorities are different and more diverse than yours, John. How do you explain your failure in that department to those who employ you? That's a different world, John. Given that you are so completely incapable of understanding the world in which I am a volunteer, there is no point to wasting time trying to explain the world of band and choral festivals. |
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From the DSM-IV, on narcissistic personality disorders:
"[Patient] has a grandiose sense of self-importance; is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love; believes that he or she is "special" and unique; requires excessive admiration; has a sense of entitlement; has a grandiose sense of self-importance; is interpersonally exploitative; lacks empathy; is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her; shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes." And now some gems from Arny: "Your interpretation of them was from outer space... No john, the fault is with you... That's one big difference between you and I, John... Seems like a simple concept but somehow you don't seem to be getting it... This is just another example of your inability to realize... I wonder how many times that I'll have to say this before you get it... You seem to be incapable of relating to people... As I continue to waste my time by casting pearls before a swine... Given that you are so completely incapable of understanding... There is no point to wasting time trying to explain..." Boon |
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"Boon" wrote in message ... From the DSM-IV, on narcissistic personality disorders: "[Patient] has a grandiose sense of self-importance; is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love; believes that he or she is "special" and unique; requires excessive admiration; has a sense of entitlement; has a grandiose sense of self-importance; is interpersonally exploitative; lacks empathy; is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her; shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes." And now some gems from Arny: "Your interpretation of them was from outer space... No john, the fault is with you... That's one big difference between you and I, John... Seems like a simple concept but somehow you don't seem to be getting it... This is just another example of your inability to realize... I wonder how many times that I'll have to say this before you get it... You seem to be incapable of relating to people... As I continue to waste my time by casting pearls before a swine... Given that you are so completely incapable of understanding... There is no point to wasting time trying to explain..." Boon Seems like the perfect glass slipper for the A.K. Cinderella. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in That you don't make that effort is all too informative about your lack of "professional" status, I am afraid. Not at all, it is just an indication that am part of a world that is composed of more than just audio. On the contrary. It is a clear indication that you are a typical "Jack of All Trades ande master of None" Iain |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in That you don't make that effort is all too informative about your lack of "professional" status, I am afraid. Not at all, it is just an indication that am part of a world that is composed of more than just audio. On the contrary. It is a clear indication that you are a typical "Jack of All Trades ande master of None" PS. It is very rate indeed to find a recording egineer who can competently tackle all the various types of recording from orchestral, through jazz, multitrack pop music etc. They are worlds apart. That's why most recording engineers specialise in a sector at which they excel and in which they are interested. In the words of John Lennon, " ...... You know it ain't easy!" Iain |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. You do us a deep injustice, Mr Krueger:-) As already stated, if you post a link which *does* meet a professional standard, I will be the first to make a public apology for doubting your capabilities. Iain |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in message Not professional recording engineer, putting to one side your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the church choir for which you also do the live sound was the proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a "professional," Curious. No doubt a questionable interpretation, such as the others we've seen from you lately, John. Mr. Krueger, it appears that you have indeed admitted that you are not a professional engineer. I am not a professional engineer because those words have legal meaning in the State of Michigan, which I would be a fool to pretend to be. The claim which you now seem to have rescinded was to be a "professional recording engineer". Without 1. an income derived in principle from recording. 2. a professional training 3. work to a professional standard 4. commercially available material no-one, but no-one would regard you as a professional recording engineer. Your efforts as an unpaid church volunteer are highly commendable. Why is this not enough? Iain |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "John Atkinson" wrote in Yet the Google record is clear, Mr. Krueger, that until other recording engineers like Iain Churches noticed and complained, you were indeed "pretending" to be a "professional" recording engineer. Well that's another example of your ignorance John. Iain Churches has said that he is a producer and most specifically not a recording engineer. Your poor reading sklills let you down badly once again Mr Krueger. I have never made such a statement. If you think I have, please quote chapter and verse. I *have* stated emphatically I am not a producer (although I have produced two recordings as the music was within my area of expertise.) What I did state was that I am not a recordist. I said this, because you, Arny, as I have pointed out a dozen times, use the job title incorrectly. A recordist is, strictly speaking a person who records dialoge (sound sync) FX and foley for films and TV. Even you should know that. It's possible for some people to be both a producer and an engineer, but he lacks the technical chops to be an engineer. Your ignorance is remarkable, Mr Krueger. Iain has made numerous false claims in the past, Please list them. and had embarked on his vendetta against me long before he started going off on this recording engineer thing. I have nothing against you, except your false claim to be a professional recording engineer, which you have now rescinded. I must admit find your pseudo-religious hypocrisy distasteful - but I understand and accept that born again Baptists are sometimes like that. So be it. John, Iain has claimed in the recent past that a person with your skill set and accomplishments can't exist. He seems to be back pedaling right now. Not at all. John like many others, has the skill and qualification to fill either vacancy of producer or engineer. I recall quite clearly him saying that as a producer he uses one or sometimes two engineers, and as an engineer, he uses a second person as a producer. That's standard practice, and one of the reasons for the high quality of his work. Iain |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... John Atkinson said: ... until other recording engineers like Iain Churches noticed and complained, you were indeed "pretending" to be a "professional" recording engineer. Thank you at long last for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. And as I have said, there is nothing wrong with that. Of course there's nothing wrong with trying one's hand at making recordings. However, according to the Kroo himself, there's quite a bit wrong with the results. Hence the secrecy. Whatever is wrong with the results, it is probably something that can be put right. It's a question of technique, which needs to be studied under someone who knows what he/she is doing. There are many pitfalls along the way. Iain |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message ... Yet the Google record is clear, Mr. Krueger, that until other recording engineers like Iain Churches noticed and complained, you were indeed "pretending" to be a "professional" recording engineer. It was not actually I who noticed it John. This was at a time whe I didn't bother to read Arny's posts - they contained nothing of interest to me. But Arny's claimed status was pointed out to me by a "very serious" professional, with whom surprise surprise) Arny had chosen to cross swords some time back. Then, soon afterwards came the recording which Arny had placed on a TinyUrl and another title which was sent to me as an attachment from a pal in the UK. These I had on the CD-RW which I have mentioned previously. Thank you at long last for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. This was probably not an easy admission, and a blow to Arny's pride. And as I have said, there is nothing wrong with that. Indeed. Arny's charitable contributions to the activities of his church are most praiseworthy:-) Iain |
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"TT" wrote in message . au... BTW I hope Marc, Jen, JA, Iain and George didn't injure themselves when they read the post? My sides are still hurting from the laugh I had :-)) I thought it was absolutelly wonderful! What a sense of humour:-) But, one question. Who was that rotund, obese person who looked as if he was about to nod off in the top right had picture? The whole thing reminds me of the classic Russian film "Til Eulenspiegel" with ten (or even a dozen:-) blind beggars one behind the other hanging on to each other's coat-tails and walking round in circles in the village square. The blind leading the blind! Iain |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... "TT" wrote in message . au... BTW I hope Marc, Jen, JA, Iain and George didn't injure themselves when they read the post? My sides are still hurting from the laugh I had :-)) I thought it was absolutelly wonderful! What a sense of humour:-) But, one question. Who was that rotund, obese person who looked as if he was about to nod off in the top right had picture? The whole thing reminds me of the classic Russian film "Til Eulenspiegel" with ten (or even a dozen:-) blind beggars one behind the other hanging on to each other's coat-tails and walking round in circles in the village square. The blind leading the blind! Iain In this case it must be the deaf leading the deaf ;-) Cheers TT |
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"TT" wrote in message . au... "Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... "TT" wrote in message . au... BTW I hope Marc, Jen, JA, Iain and George didn't injure themselves when they read the post? My sides are still hurting from the laugh I had :-)) I thought it was absolutelly wonderful! What a sense of humour:-) But, one question. Who was that rotund, obese person who looked as if he was about to nod off in the top right had picture? The whole thing reminds me of the classic Russian film "Til Eulenspiegel" with ten (or even a dozen:-) blind beggars one behind the other hanging on to each other's coat-tails and walking round in circles in the village square. The blind leading the blind! In this case it must be the deaf leading the deaf ;-) Shame on us all TT, for casting aspersions upon the integrity of this group's leading figure :-))) Iain |
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"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message If it were me, I'd do the following: Put up flyers at Wayne State and at WCCC music departments. On the flyer, state that you are a RE, wanting to practice. You'll record them for (fill in very inexpensive $ amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the college. Send a letter to each member of the Applied Music (private lesson) faculty, making the offer. Tell them that their students (or they themselves) get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve the hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording. It need not be a performance. The student and/or the Applied faculty should jump at the chance, especially for students who have their final undergrad or grad recital coming up. It doesn't matter if there is a recording program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they would charge for the recording. If you don't, they will use you. You can get practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a student. It costs you nothing but your time. My time is way too valuable to waste time trying to please a bunch of RAO trolls with a recording to **** on. That's not why I went to the trouble of making these suggestions. I just think that it's sad that you haven't had the opportunity to make the kind of recording that you wish to make. Whether or not you post the result here is obviously up to you. The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. BTW, I have far better contacts at Wayne than that. Fine. I hope that someday you get to make the recording that you wish to make. It's obviously an important activity for you. Why oh why didn't I make the odds a 1,000:1, it was a sure bet actually that AK would react this way. The vitriol oozes off the screen reading his reply to you. Cheers TT |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Fine. I hope that someday you get to make the recording that you wish to make. It's obviously an important activity for you. Actually, the trip is worth at least as much to me as the destination. If I finish the journey, look at all the organization and infrastructure there will be. It will likely outlive my involvement. Are you trying to get our hopes up now? Do you have some terminal disease we should know about? TT |
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Are you trying to get our hopes up now? Do you have some terminal disease we should know about? Speaks to your lack of humanity, Terry. It must really suck being you. |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. You do us a deep injustice, Mr Krueger:-) As already stated, if you post a link which *does* meet a professional standard, I will be the first to make a public apology for doubting your capabilities. Won't ever happen Iain, because you are too bias-driven. |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "John Atkinson" wrote in That you don't make that effort is all too informative about your lack of "professional" status, I am afraid. Not at all, it is just an indication that am part of a world that is composed of more than just audio. On the contrary. It is a clear indication that you are a typical "Jack of All Trades ande master of None" Way better than being the jack of just one trade, and never really mastering it like you Iain. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "TT" wrote in message Are you trying to get our hopes up now? Do you have some terminal disease we should know about? Speaks to your lack of humanity, Terry. I wanted to know if I needed to send flowers or something or whether you were playing for the sympathy vote. It must really suck being you. Yes, I can see why you would say that, while peering through the murky mist of a diseased mind. TT. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. Since you klaim to not have one single good one from you collection of 1,000s is that surprising? You do us a deep injustice, Mr Krueger:-) As already stated, if you post a link which *does* meet a professional standard, I will be the first to make a public apology for doubting your capabilities. Won't ever happen Iain, because you are too bias-driven. I think he is Volvo driven actually Arny :-)) Iain used to be Suzuki driven but he has moved on. BTW it's time to put up or shut up. Your bleating is becoming tiresome. TT |
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. au Your bleating is becoming tiresome. Haven't you noticed that when people stop lying about me, my posting rate on RAO goes way down? BTW, life is sooo good away from RAO. |
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"TT" wrote in message . au... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. Since you klaim to not have one single good one from you collection of 1,000s is that surprising? You do us a deep injustice, Mr Krueger:-) As already stated, if you post a link which *does* meet a professional standard, I will be the first to make a public apology for doubting your capabilities. Won't ever happen Iain, because you are too bias-driven. I think he is Volvo driven actually Arny :-)) Iain used to be Suzuki driven but he has moved on. BTW it's time to put up or shut up. Your bleating is becoming tiresome. Arny's 15 minutes of fame (infamy) have passed. I think we should forget him and move on to more interesting topics. Iain |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... "TT" wrote in message . au... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100% predictable, and negative. Since you klaim to not have one single good one from you collection of 1,000s is that surprising? You do us a deep injustice, Mr Krueger:-) As already stated, if you post a link which *does* meet a professional standard, I will be the first to make a public apology for doubting your capabilities. Won't ever happen Iain, because you are too bias-driven. I think he is Volvo driven actually Arny :-)) Iain used to be Suzuki driven but he has moved on. BTW it's time to put up or shut up. Your bleating is becoming tiresome. Arny's 15 minutes of fame (infamy) have passed. I think we should forget him and move on to more interesting topics. Iain Agreed. But at least we got him to admit he is only an unpaid hobbyist :-) Cheers Terry |
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i.fi Arny's 15 minutes of fame (infamy) have passed. Actually, my most recent "15 minutes of fame" lasted about 60 minutes. There may be more in my future. |
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On Jan 21, 6:16*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
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