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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.
The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting to have to deal with? |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting to have to deal with? |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting to have to deal with? |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting to have to deal with? |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased distortion. Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote: Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote: Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote: Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote: Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. And probably not without wrecking the cartridge, stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased distortion. Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased distortion. Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased distortion. Has this been done? I'm sure. Has it been done without wrecking the music? Probably not. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
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"JeffK" wrote: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the peaks. It will sound very bad. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In article ,
"JeffK" wrote: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the peaks. It will sound very bad. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In article ,
"JeffK" wrote: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the peaks. It will sound very bad. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In article ,
"JeffK" wrote: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the peaks. It will sound very bad. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell you that it is not happy with the task. Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time. Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality -- you be the judge. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/09/04 at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track, you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying to track LPs at 78RPM. And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/10/04
at 08:55 PM, "Richard Crowley" said: [ ... ] you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM [ ... ] Assuming it still works, an old CD-4 cartridge might be interesting. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/10/04
at 08:55 PM, "Richard Crowley" said: [ ... ] you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM [ ... ] Assuming it still works, an old CD-4 cartridge might be interesting. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/10/04
at 08:55 PM, "Richard Crowley" said: [ ... ] you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM [ ... ] Assuming it still works, an old CD-4 cartridge might be interesting. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/10/04
at 08:55 PM, "Richard Crowley" said: [ ... ] you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM [ ... ] Assuming it still works, an old CD-4 cartridge might be interesting. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/09/04 at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track, you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying to track LPs at 78RPM. And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/09/04 at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track, you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying to track LPs at 78RPM. And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
"Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/09/04 at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track, you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying to track LPs at 78RPM. And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds. |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell you that it is not happy with the task. Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time. Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality -- you be the judge. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell you that it is not happy with the task. Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time. Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality -- you be the judge. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said: I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music? As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you want top quality. If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will work. You be the judge. One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell you that it is not happy with the task. Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time. Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality -- you be the judge. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. No. The cartridge can not track the records properly and will damage the grooves. Not "may", WILL damage. Has this been done? All kinds of folly has been done. This would indeed be grave folly. Has it been done without wrecking the music? No. There is no way it could be done without wrecking music AND vinyl. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. No. The cartridge can not track the records properly and will damage the grooves. Not "may", WILL damage. Has this been done? All kinds of folly has been done. This would indeed be grave folly. Has it been done without wrecking the music? No. There is no way it could be done without wrecking music AND vinyl. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Recording 33 rpm LPs at 78 rpm
JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. No. The cartridge can not track the records properly and will damage the grooves. Not "may", WILL damage. Has this been done? All kinds of folly has been done. This would indeed be grave folly. Has it been done without wrecking the music? No. There is no way it could be done without wrecking music AND vinyl. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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JeffK wrote:
I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s. The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and altering the tempo later via software. No. The cartridge can not track the records properly and will damage the grooves. Not "may", WILL damage. Has this been done? All kinds of folly has been done. This would indeed be grave folly. Has it been done without wrecking the music? No. There is no way it could be done without wrecking music AND vinyl. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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