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Countdown on track one
OK, I'm stumped. In my whole collection of CDs I have three or four
that when you put the CD in the player, they start off with a negative countdown on track one. This is NOT after hitting the rewind button. Obviously this is diffrent from the countdown between tracks which is common. TOC reveals nothing unusual, and when I copy the CD I get the negative countdown on track one, but I cannot reproduce the effect on other CDs. Anyone know the trick? jj |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:17:51 GMT, J. Joyce
wrote: OK, I'm stumped. In my whole collection of CDs I have three or four that when you put the CD in the player, they start off with a negative countdown on track one. This is NOT after hitting the rewind button. Obviously this is diffrent from the countdown between tracks which is common. TOC reveals nothing unusual, and when I copy the CD I get the negative countdown on track one, but I cannot reproduce the effect on other CDs. Anyone know the trick? This is intriguing. As you probably know, the countdown between tracks N and N+1 starts at index 0 of track N+1, and finishes as index 1 of N+1 is reached. Now, an audio CD player is supposed to start playing a disc at index 1 of track 1. So in theory you should never see it playing index 0 of track 1 (unless you rewind into it). I can't think of any way that a mis-mastering of a CD would exhibit this behaviour. Some hypotheses (guesses, actually) follow: 1. Audio CDs normally have a 2 second pregap prior to track 1. Perhaps your CD player is non-standard and just starting 2 seconds into the data stream instead of going to track 1, index 1. In that case, a CD with a greater than 2 second pregap would show a countdown. To check this, try playing those particular CDs on other CD players to see if they also show a countdown. 2. Some mixed-mode CDs have a data track as track 1, and the audio only starts at track 2. Audio players should ignore the data track and start playing at track 2. I don't know whether in this case they will skip to index 1 of track 2, or whether they would start at index 0 (and hence show a countdown). |
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J. Joyce wrote:
OK, I'm stumped. In my whole collection of CDs I have three or four that when you put the CD in the player, they start off with a negative countdown on track one. This is NOT after hitting the rewind button. Obviously this is diffrent from the countdown between tracks which is common. TOC reveals nothing unusual, and when I copy the CD I get the negative countdown on track one, but I cannot reproduce the effect on other CDs. Anyone know the trick? Is there any audio playing during the countdown? Or is it digital silence? Are they all a 2-second countdown, or are they longer/shorter? My best guess is that somebody's mastering software allows the CD to begin at an arbitrary clock time, just as most software allows you to begin with an arbitrary track number (The idea is that you might want to start Disc 2 of a double album with "track 14" so that it matches a complete numbered track listing on the packaging for the two CDs). Other than that, I'm perplexed and intrigued. Playing games with the CD preparation has always been interesting to me. ulysses |
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Clive Backham wrote:
This is intriguing. As you probably know, the countdown between tracks N and N+1 starts at index 0 of track N+1, and finishes as index 1 of N+1 is reached. Now, an audio CD player is supposed to start playing a disc at index 1 of track 1. So in theory you should never see it playing index 0 of track 1 (unless you rewind into it). I can't think of any way that a mis-mastering of a CD would exhibit this behaviour. There is a hidden track at index 0, which you can play only by rewinding into it. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Sounds like hidden tracks. Pop in your CD and rewind past the start,
should find a suprise! blahblah ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL... EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED! EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM! |
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