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8X DVD Burner?
I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese.
Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Blind Joni" wrote in message
I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? Yeah, I burned two DVD-R discs yesterday at my remote site using a Pioneer DVR 106. One burned at 4x on Imation media, the other burned at 1x on no-name media. Each had 6 tracks of 1 hour 44/24. About 4.2 GB per disc. Both had unrecoverable errors in the last track when I read them on one DVD drive, but one read well enough on another DVD drive. That leaves me with one track that I'll have to revist the remote site to pick up. |
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8X DVD Burner?
I just ordered the new Plextor after reading a favorable review. (I overlooked
the fact the tests were not double-blind.) The Plextor successfully burned at 8x on 4x DVD+R media. http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/hardwar...15282p,00.htm? |
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8X DVD Burner?
I just got the Plextor and its great. I burn a full length movie (full DVD)
in 8 minutes after its read. However, be sure to read your manual. There is a "silent read" feature so when you put in an encoded movie, the drive defaults to a slower read (only what's necessary for playing the movie) so the drive is quieter because it spins slower. If you are burning data this does not apply. But if you are reading a movie, be sure to press and hold the open button until the light flashes 3 times for fast read of encoded movies. It burns DVD+R at 8X, others at 4X. I've now used Maxell and Fuji 4X discs and they burn fine at 8X. "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I just ordered the new Plextor after reading a favorable review. (I overlooked the fact the tests were not double-blind.) The Plextor successfully burned at 8x on 4x DVD+R media. http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/hardwar...15282p,00.htm? |
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8X DVD Burner?
I just got the Plextor and its great. I burn a full length movie (full DVD)
in 8 minutes after its read. However, be sure to read your manual. There is a "silent read" feature so when you put in an encoded movie, the drive defaults to a slower read (only what's necessary for playing the movie) so the drive is quieter because it spins slower. If you are burning data this does not apply. But if you are reading a movie, be sure to press and hold the open button until the light flashes 3 times for fast read of encoded movies. It burns DVD+R at 8X, others at 4X. I've now used Maxell and Fuji 4X discs and they burn fine at 8X. "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I just ordered the new Plextor after reading a favorable review. (I overlooked the fact the tests were not double-blind.) The Plextor successfully burned at 8x on 4x DVD+R media. http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/hardwar...15282p,00.htm? |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? Sure, but that's our job here. . Buy HP! Glenn D. |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? None of these are 'true' 8x, they use 4x discs. NEC manufactures all the firmware for the 'semi-8x' drives, and I think you were most likely looking at a badged NEC OEM drive. The 4x drives are made by either NEC or Pioneer, with custom bezels and in some cases customized firmware. The 8x drives seem to be following the same pattern. I've seen the Plextor '8x' in action and it looks to be a winner, very reliable and fast , although that's based only on my limited observation. It doesn't ship with the real Plextools, but is fully compatable if you already have the software. The true 8x drives should be out in spring. jb |
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8X DVD Burner?
reddred wrote:
I've seen the Plextor '8x' in action and it looks to be a winner, very reliable and fast , although that's based only on my limited observation. Mine as well--bought the 708UF a couple weeks back and am liking it very much so far. It doesn't ship with the real Plextools, but is fully compatable if you already have the software. Meaning it can do C1 and C2 error counts on CDR burns? |
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8X DVD Burner?
I have the Liteon 811S burner, it's pretty much kickass, it burns 8x on
most quality media, it even burns 8x RW on my verbatim DVD-RW+'s. And offcourse they are true 8x dvd burners - true 8x media is just not out yet - so u have to use 4x media - I'll bet they come soon though. Mike |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Michael Kornum" wrote in message ... I have the Liteon 811S burner, it's pretty much kickass, it burns 8x on most quality media, it even burns 8x RW on my verbatim DVD-RW+'s. And offcourse they are true 8x dvd burners - true 8x media is just not out yet - so u have to use 4x media - I'll bet they come soon though. That turns out not to be the case. HP is shipping 8x+RW media with their DVD400i 8x dvd burners. Now, 8x- media is still vaporware. Glenn D. |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... reddred wrote: I've seen the Plextor '8x' in action and it looks to be a winner, very reliable and fast , although that's based only on my limited observation. Mine as well--bought the 708UF a couple weeks back and am liking it very much so far. That seems to be the case in general. The UF looks like an interesting option for a loaded DAW, I'm somewhat concerned that the 708A wouldn't like to coexist on the same bus with my Plexwriter 'Premium'. What color did you getg? It doesn't ship with the real Plextools, but is fully compatable if you already have the software. Meaning it can do C1 and C2 error counts on CDR burns? I'm really glad you aked, because it looks like I was spreading bad information there. Unfortuneately 'Q-check', with the error checking, is specific to the premium, whereas other plextools features should work fine on the 708 (http://www.plextor.com/english/suppo...o/ht00006.html). I might call them to get more specific information and ask if they plan on adding full Plextools support to the 708 in the future. Although, if one is in the market for a cd burner, IMO the Premium is about as good as they are going to get. jb |
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8X DVD Burner?
reddred wrote:
Mine as well--bought the 708UF a couple weeks back and am liking it very much so far. What color did you getg? Silver. Was there a choice? It doesn't ship with the real Plextools, but is fully compatable if you already have the software. Meaning it can do C1 and C2 error counts on CDR burns? I'm really glad you aked, because it looks like I was spreading bad information there. Unfortuneately 'Q-check', with the error checking, is specific to the premium, whereas other plextools features should work fine on the 708 (http://www.plextor.com/english/suppo...o/ht00006.html). I might call them to get more specific information and ask if they plan on adding full Plextools support to the 708 in the future. Might (or might not) be possible with a firmware reflash. if one is in the market for a cd burner, IMO the Premium is about as good as they are going to get. Agreed, and the price recently dropped on them. I was hoping to build a portable system (Shuttle-ish) with both capabilities in a single drive. |
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8X DVD Burner?
What color did you getg?
Silver. Was there a choice? I ordered a 708A, which appears to be beige. There's also a black version. |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... reddred wrote: Mine as well--bought the 708UF a couple weeks back and am liking it very much so far. What color did you getg? Silver. Was there a choice? Pink, baby blue... tangerine... actually, I don't know if the colors are out here yet. It doesn't ship with the real Plextools, but is fully compatable if you already have the software. Meaning it can do C1 and C2 error counts on CDR burns? I'm really glad you aked, because it looks like I was spreading bad information there. Unfortuneately 'Q-check', with the error checking, is specific to the premium, whereas other plextools features should work fine on the 708 (http://www.plextor.com/english/suppo...o/ht00006.html). I might call them to get more specific information and ask if they plan on adding full Plextools support to the 708 in the future. Might (or might not) be possible with a firmware reflash. I'm assuming it's a firmware feature, maybe I can get them to tell me. Whether or not they will offer the upgrade or not is another issue.... It could be as simple as a bit telling the software it's OK to perform the tests, come to think of it. if one is in the market for a cd burner, IMO the Premium is about as good as they are going to get. Agreed, and the price recently dropped on them. I payed about a hundred for mine then they dropped to ninety or so.... oh well, there goes a pizza. I was hoping to build a portable system (Shuttle-ish) with both capabilities in a single drive. Yeah, I was kind of excited about it as well. I think it is certainly helping them sell the premiums, it was a selling point for me. Otherwise, I might just have got the dvd burner. As for your Shuttle box (biostar and gigabyte have almost the exact same products out btw), I'd probably just put the premium in there and carry the 708UF with you. Not nearly as cool, though, granted. jb |
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8X DVD Burner?
reddred wrote:
I'm really glad you aked, because it looks like I was spreading bad information there. Unfortuneately 'Q-check', with the error checking, is specific to the premium, whereas other plextools features should work fine on the 708 (http://www.plextor.com/english/suppo...o/ht00006.html). I might call them to get more specific information and ask if they plan on adding full Plextools support to the 708 in the future. Although, if one is in the market for a cd burner, IMO the Premium is about as good as they are going to get. The Premium is the only affordable drive available from any manufacturer that officially supports C1 error checking. Most Plextor drives can check C2 errors using Plextool's CD Test function. You can also use the speed tests with other drives. Unfortunately DVD drives tend to hide these internal functions but Plextools will read C2 errors from the 708. C2 error checking is sufficient for most purposes as C2 errors (and below) are fully correctable. Until I bought the Premium I used to check for C2 errors and reject any disc that showed a C2 error. This always seemed to keep the pressing plants happy. Plextor always seem to be extending the capabilities of Plextools so it is always worth checking their web site every few weeks. Cheers. James. |
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8X DVD Burner?
"reddred" wrote in message ... "Blind Joni" wrote in message ... I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? None of these are 'true' 8x, they use 4x discs. NEC manufactures all the firmware for the 'semi-8x' drives, and I think you were most likely looking at a badged NEC OEM drive. The HP 8x drive is true 8x, uses true 8x media and isn't manufactured by NEC. The 4x drives are made by either NEC or Pioneer, with custom bezels and in some cases customized firmware. The 8x drives seem to be following the same pattern. There quite a few manufacturers of DVD drives; you've only named two. The true 8x drives should be out in spring. They're in stores now: http://tinyurl.com/yizv Glenn D. |
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8X DVD Burner?
Arggh! please everybody!!! All the 8x burners are TRUE 8X !!!!
You can use 8x media in all of them!!! SOME of them will also burn 8x on 4x dvd's if the quality is good enough (if the mediacode is in their firmware). Mike None of these are 'true' 8x, they use 4x discs. NEC manufactures all the firmware for the 'semi-8x' drives, and I think you were most likely looking at a badged NEC OEM drive. The HP 8x drive is true 8x, uses true 8x media and isn't manufactured by NEC. |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Michael Kornum" wrote in message ... Arggh! please everybody!!! All the 8x burners are TRUE 8X !!!! You can use 8x media in all of them!!! SOME of them will also burn 8x on 4x dvd's if the quality is good enough (if the mediacode is in their firmware). But there is no 8x-R media and not for some time. There will also be issues with backward compatibility. Glenn D. |
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8X DVD Burner?
I bought the MagicSpin but haven't opened the package yet since I
heard that Sony or Pioneer are much better and reliable at 4X and the 8X is unproven. I'd like to know if MagicSpin is a reliable or unrelable off-label brand. Anyone ever hear of it?? "reddred" wrote in message ... "Blind Joni" wrote in message ... I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? None of these are 'true' 8x, they use 4x discs. NEC manufactures all the firmware for the 'semi-8x' drives, and I think you were most likely looking at a badged NEC OEM drive. The 4x drives are made by either NEC or Pioneer, with custom bezels and in some cases customized firmware. The 8x drives seem to be following the same pattern. I've seen the Plextor '8x' in action and it looks to be a winner, very reliable and fast , although that's based only on my limited observation. It doesn't ship with the real Plextools, but is fully compatable if you already have the software. The true 8x drives should be out in spring. jb |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Keith" wrote in message m... I bought the MagicSpin but haven't opened the package yet since I heard that Sony or Pioneer are much better and reliable at 4X and the 8X is unproven. I'd like to know if MagicSpin is a reliable or unrelable off-label brand. Anyone ever hear of it?? I've never heard of it, and I'm in the business. You pay your money and you take your chances. Glenn D. |
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8X DVD Burner?
Glenn Dowdy wrote:
"Keith" wrote in message m... I bought the MagicSpin but haven't opened the package yet since I heard that Sony or Pioneer are much better and reliable at 4X and the 8X is unproven. I'd like to know if MagicSpin is a reliable or unrelable off-label brand. Anyone ever hear of it?? I've never heard of it, and I'm in the business. You pay your money and you take your chances. I've never heard of it either, but if you open the box, you'll probably find that the drive inside is actually a Pioneer or Sony (or Ricoh or Liteon or .....). Most of these drives are made by just a handful of OEMs. |
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8X DVD Burner?
"Jim Gilliland" wrote in message t... I've never heard of it either, but if you open the box, you'll probably find that the drive inside is actually a Pioneer or Sony (or Ricoh or Liteon or .....). Most of these drives are made by just a handful of OEMs. Yup. It's a very compact industry. Glenn D. |
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8X DVD Burner?
I bought the MagicSpin but haven't opened the package yet since
I heard that Sony or Pioneer are much better and reliable at 4X and the 8X is unproven. I'd like to know if MagicSpin is a reliable or unrelable off-label brand. Anyone ever hear of it? I'd held off buying a CD/DVD burner, partly because I didn't badly need one, and partly because I was waiting for one that would "do everything." When I saw the highly favorable review of the Plextor PX-708A in CNETAsia, I ordered it, not only because it was what I was waiting for, but because Plextor has an awfully good reputation among optical-drive manufacturers. It isn't true that a higher price will automatically get you better quality, but it just doesn't make sense to buy something from an unknown manufacturer, then wonder whether it's any good. PS: I bought a friend a Philips DVD/VCR on sale for $100. It failed after a few hours of operation. So much for the Philips name on a product... |
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8X DVD Burner?
If someone hands you a DVD with a 2 hour movie on it and says, "Make a
copy of this movie as quickly as possible" what will be the minimum elapsed time to the final copy? Assume DVD+R. Thanks, Norm Strong |
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The NEC 8x family, all of which are identical and can exchange
firmaware, are very high quaility writers, though not the best readers in the "heavily scratched" dept. Unless you are running a pretty fast sytem, you won't want to go higher than 8x for critical audio, and I myself archive at 6x with TY media or MCC. Good results with Ridata at 4x for inexpensive media. The latest is the NEC 2510, which also has remarkable CD burning capabilites, CV @ 16 x with ultra low errors. They are also quiet. ~$70 @ NewEgg jj On 08 Dec 2003 22:06:41 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote: I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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On 08 Dec 2003 22:06:41 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote: I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Plextor 712. As for the implicit question about the quality of chinese burners I can tell you that I have a chinese CD burner in a spare machine. Initially no software knew about it, but the next update of Feurio had it on its "preferred burners" list because an example burner had been supplied for compatibility verification. Any info? Just got it, seems to work OK, nice software included and comes with Plextools Professional. You don't want to be without ... John A. Chiara Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message ... On 08 Dec 2003 22:06:41 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote: I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Plextor 712. As for the implicit question about the quality of chinese burners I can tell you that I have a chinese CD burner in a spare machine. There are _lots_ of DVD companies building in China and that includes brand names and bottom feeders. Sometimes from the same factory. Glenn D. |
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message ... On 08 Dec 2003 22:06:41 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote: I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Plextor 712. As for the implicit question about the quality of chinese burners I can tell you that I have a chinese CD burner in a spare machine. There are _lots_ of DVD companies building in China and that includes brand names and bottom feeders. Sometimes from the same factory. Glenn D. |
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On 08 Dec 2003 22:06:41 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote: I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Plextor 712. As for the implicit question about the quality of chinese burners I can tell you that I have a chinese CD burner in a spare machine. Initially no software knew about it, but the next update of Feurio had it on its "preferred burners" list because an example burner had been supplied for compatibility verification. Any info? Just got it, seems to work OK, nice software included and comes with Plextools Professional. You don't want to be without ... John A. Chiara Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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The NEC 8x family, all of which are identical and can exchange
firmaware, are very high quaility writers, though not the best readers in the "heavily scratched" dept. Unless you are running a pretty fast sytem, you won't want to go higher than 8x for critical audio, and I myself archive at 6x with TY media or MCC. Good results with Ridata at 4x for inexpensive media. The latest is the NEC 2510, which also has remarkable CD burning capabilites, CV @ 16 x with ultra low errors. They are also quiet. ~$70 @ NewEgg jj On 08 Dec 2003 22:06:41 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote: I saw an 8X burner at Office Max yesterday..company called MagicSpin..chinese. Anyone used a fast burner yet? Any info? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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