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Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...

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"Steven Sena" wrote :

Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...


Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer
has come a LONG way over the last 2 years..

Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the
road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of
equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it
sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300)..

32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works
great!

One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost
three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming
loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case..

Low end? nope

cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks)

Better then nothing? what isn't!


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yeah...whatever...

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"Paul van der Heu" wrote in message
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"Steven Sena" wrote :

Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...


Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer
has come a LONG way over the last 2 years..

Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the
road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of
equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it
sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300)..

32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works
great!

One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost
three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming
loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case..

Low end? nope

cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks)

Better then nothing? what isn't!


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how are you gonna guarantee my safety..
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Jerry wrote:

Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers?

Jerry


YES...they all SUCK! Buy the products that Behringer copies. They ALL
sound way better.

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Behringer touts their mixers as being very-low-noise, but that's a load of
hooey when it comes to their headphone outputs at least. Curiously, I've
really only used their mixers for headphone applications, so I don't know
what their line-level outputs sound like.

Short version: Buy Mackie instead.

Nevertheless, there is one Behringer product that I am overall pretty
impressed with: Their noise-reducer. It appears to be an original design
rather than yet another one of their cheap knock-offs of the corresponding
Mackie product. (I don't know of any equivalent Mackie product, but if I
did, I'd buy the Mackie instead.) In short, it's the confluence of a
downward expander with a quickly-sweeping lowpass filter. The downward
expander of course is to knock out noise (noise of any sort) while the
source is effectively silent, and the sweeping lowpass filter to knock out
electronic hiss when the expander is ... "open" for lack of a better word.
It seems to work quite well from what I've seen, even doing a reasonably
unobtrusive job when the source is extremely noisy. By the way, I don't
recommend using its "automatic" setting; you'll get much better results
when you fine-tune it to the particular source.

Obviously of course, any example of this sort of electronic fakery must be
treated as a last resort, and if you do have to resort ot using them,
they'll do a vastly better job when the source is only slightly noisy.
That is, first and foremost, you have to do everything possible to simply
get the noise out of the source before applying noise reducers.




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equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost
George


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"Paul van der Heu" wrote in message
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"Steven Sena" wrote :

Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...


Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer
has come a LONG way over the last 2 years..

Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the
road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of
equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it
sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300)..

32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works
great!

One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost
three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming
loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case..

Low end? nope

cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks)

Better then nothing? what isn't!


I have mixed on several of the venice consloe and loved mixing on them the
headroom and eq have no equal
BUT nearly every owner I have talked to have reported the same ****-ant
failures that they never expected buying a "Midas"
IMO the midas was rushed to market and not thought out very well(in areas
such as the aux buss pre/post setup, the phantom power switches, the vent
holes that bleed sun light into the LEDs)
thank god I saw this before I bought one!!!
George


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"equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"

This is NOT true at all.They are garbage.Mackie is WAY better.




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"Jerry" wrote in message
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equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost
George




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I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


George Gleason wrote in message
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"Troy" wrote in message
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"equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"

This is NOT true at all.They are garbage.Mackie is WAY better.


My experiances with both find your conclusion to be full of ****
George




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In article ,
"Troy" wrote:

I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer
my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5
behringer so far
no "heard it from a friend" bull****
my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned
my 802s
are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out
i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at
this time
never had a fail
I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was
recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA
ruined a NPR recording
my personal
Failure score card
mackie 6
behringer 0

George


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"Mike Faithfull" wrote :

I don't knowingly have personal experience of the best Mackie ever
made, but I have used a small Mackie console (CFX12?) beside my
Behringer UB2442 on small gigs - one for the monitors and the other
for FOH. To my untrained ears and inexperienced hands, the Behringer
is the better unit.


I have four mixers at hand:

Behringer DDX3216
Spirit LX7-24
Mackie 16.8
A&H GL3300

I did a head to head with a multitrack recording and here's the results:

1. DDX 3216.. Cleanest sound, best definition
2. GL3300 .. almost as good, but too much boom
3. 16.8 .. problems with definition, dull sounding overall
4. LX7-24 .. sounds like recording through a mudpool..

I am selling all but the Behringer and getting another one.. Hell from the
sale of just the A&H I should be able to get two..;^)

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I didn't "hear it from a friend",I saw and I heard it and watched it die a
horrible death.It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.My
mackie is still running,years after his board is dead and gone.


George wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Troy" wrote:

I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money

and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought

into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer
my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5
behringer so far
no "heard it from a friend" bull****
my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned
my 802s
are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out
i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at
this time
never had a fail
I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was
recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA
ruined a NPR recording
my personal
Failure score card
mackie 6
behringer 0

George



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You say "equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"

If I had 6 mackies die on me I woulden't have said this.I would have said
"much better than mackies", not equal to.

I find it hard to beleive that 3 1402's all died at the same time unless
they were abused or rained on or something to do with poor conditions that
would have killed any mixer,including your behringers.

People buy them because they are cheap and easily replaced.If it breaks,you
throw it away and buy another.I'm sure cost had alot to do with you buying
them as it does for many others.




George wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Troy" wrote:

I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money

and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought

into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer
my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5
behringer so far
no "heard it from a friend" bull****
my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned
my 802s
are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out
i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at
this time
never had a fail
I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was
recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA
ruined a NPR recording
my personal
Failure score card
mackie 6
behringer 0

George



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"Troy" wrote in message
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"my 802s
are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out"

I hope the above statement is true as they are only worth about $50.00
new.If not you work for cheap.

I was refering to the "higher end" mixers not some $50.00 toy mixers.

It was all that was required to process the feed from WHCA when doing a
17,500$ presidential speech
so yes I guess they do earn me more than they cost
I would not trust a mackie to work as they had already failed over and over
on me
due to thier poor design or thier power supply
on the 1402
it is not properly heat sinked and cooks the capacitors

the 802 do not have that problem as they have external power supplies

you should know a few facts before you spout off
there are people here that understand the gear they use and have greater
real world experiance than you or me


I had one of the best mixes I ever did on a maryland sound supplied mackie
24.4 when I was on tour
but given the choice I would have choosen most likey a soundcraft

but this thread is not about soundcrafts, midas,crest,allen-heaths or any
other "better" mixers it is about wether behringers do what they say they
do and how they compare to others targeted at the same market
and for that
the behringer is as good as the best mackie but only costs 1/3 as much
george


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"Troy" wrote in message
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I didn't "hear it from a friend",


Troy writes:

..A friend of mine thought he would save some money and
buy the 24/8 knock off

I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.

but of course in his mind this does not qualify as "Hearing it from a
friend"

your own words BUDDY
george




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No I don't consider this hearing it from a friend as I used the damn thing.



George Gleason wrote in message
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"Troy" wrote in message
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I didn't "hear it from a friend",


Troy writes:

.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and
buy the 24/8 knock off

I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.

but of course in his mind this does not qualify as "Hearing it from a
friend"

your own words BUDDY
george




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"Troy" wrote in message
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Do a google search on behringer and see for yourself all the problems they
have.


When searching, also weigh the following:

Age of these posts/experiences - some guys are still ****ed over the Mackie
lawsuit from years ago;
Size of the installed base relative to any negative posts (Do you know how
many of each model are sold per month? How many "problems" does it take to
equal 1% of that? What is their No Problem Found percentage?), and;
Any obvious BS you see. There's plenty of that!

For example, Troy has posted 9 times in two behringer threads today alone.
That would be 9 separate Google posts, all on the negative side based on
"his" experience with a friend's mixer. How much weight do you give that?

There are plenty of stores where you can try the mixers. Go find out for
yourself!

Jim


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Berhrinnger Mackie it's all the same crap!! The only difference is a
Mackie can take more abuse and still run, and it has a better name.
If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are
the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about
every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas
Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands
down. About the Midas Venice I have not used one but have heard
things about it let us just remember it may have the Midas name on it
but it is a low rent Midas, even the rep does not recomened it.


On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:55:08 GMT, "Jerry"
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Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers?

Jerry


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I have used Mackies for years, and after we switched to A&H, Mackies
sounds like crap: sounds edgy, missing details, and eq sucks. The
more I use A&H, the more I am impressed with it's pre-amp and eq. I
have been testing Behringer from time to time and I agree that they
have been improving their products over the past few years. I am now
considering their DDX3216. No, I haven't A/B compare the Mackie and
Behringer, but seriously, I'd take Behringer over Mackie any day. I
htink Mackie is more like a marketing firm than a audio quipment maker
(like most US companies). And for like 1/2 the price, Behringer will
beat Mackie on value, and at least I don't remember Behringer ever
sound harsh like the Mackie. Mackie may had better service in the
past, but I can't be sure of their current state.

Paul, have you used the DDX3216 as control surface with Cubase SX or
any software? I am very interested in this mixer but I also worried
about their future support especially with 3rd party softwares. Any
pointer to user forum?




On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:06:56 GMT, "Troy"
wrote:

Do a google search on behringer and see for yourself all the problems they
have.


Jerry wrote in message
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"Josh Snider" wrote in message
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the 802 do not have that problem as they have external power supplies


Internal power supply is fantastic. If I leave my power "supply" at the
gig, it costs me $5 at Rat Shack to replace the 4' IEC cable. How much

does
behringer/soundcraft/etc... Charge for a new adaptor that takes up far

too
much space in a case/power strip?
And pretty much everyone agrees that wall warts and line lumps are

annoying
at best, and hindering and expensive at worst.


So buy a UB series Behringer with internal supply then.

2 Behringers for less than one Mackie means you always have a backup. And
the chance of needing it is about the same for both!

TonyP.





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In article ,
spl dan wrote:

Berhrinnger Mackie it's all the same crap!!


I agree only meaningful diffrence is the behringer is 1/3 the money


The only difference is a
Mackie can take more abuse and still run,

NIMO


and it has a better name.
NIMO

If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are
the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about
every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas
Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands
down. About the Midas Venice I have not used one but have heard
things about it let us just remember it may have the Midas name on it
but it is a low rent Midas, even the rep does not recomened it.

The Midas sounds terrific but is starting to build up a bad rep from

the poor build quality Vs cost
I would buy the soundcraft k1 over the venice if I wanted to spend that
much and get so little
george
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The 3216 was just lowered in price to $999 USD as I recall seeing. That
makes it an interesting piece to look at, and it has gotten some pretty good
reviews. This doesn't, however, speak one way or the other about such
things as support, manuals, ease of use in design, etc.

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See how far $20 really goes.




"Paul van der Heu" wrote in message
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"Steven Sena" wrote :

Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...


Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer
has come a LONG way over the last 2 years..

Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the
road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of
equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it
sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300)..

32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works
great!

One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost
three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming
loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case..

Low end? nope

cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks)

Better then nothing? what isn't!


--
Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows,
how are you gonna guarantee my safety..
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Which was one of my reasons for going with the Crest, although why this
thing is even suggested for anything BUT an installation I don't know.
Phantom power is not only recessed but on the back panel and a bear to
reach. It works fine in my gig rig for a weeks worth of festival events,
but it's really a pain otherwise, so I have two different rack units to
carry it in, depending on the type of gig. For some reason I simply don't
like mixing in the vertical (which is necessary if you want access to the
backplane. Seems too strange.

But then the product itself is excellent in sound quality and routing
flexibility if one ignores the less than stellar ease of setup. Overall I'm
still glad I didn't get the Venice.

However, George, I don't know how this relates to a Behringer thread! g

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Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"George Gleason" wrote in message
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"Paul van der Heu" wrote in message
...
"Steven Sena" wrote :

Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...


Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer
has come a LONG way over the last 2 years..

Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on

the
road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of
equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it
sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300)..

32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works
great!

One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for

almost
three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are

coming
loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case..

Low end? nope

cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks)

Better then nothing? what isn't!


I have mixed on several of the venice consloe and loved mixing on them

the
headroom and eq have no equal
BUT nearly every owner I have talked to have reported the same ****-ant
failures that they never expected buying a "Midas"
IMO the midas was rushed to market and not thought out very well(in areas
such as the aux buss pre/post setup, the phantom power switches, the vent
holes that bleed sun light into the LEDs)
thank god I saw this before I bought one!!!
George




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Mr. Gleason is a professional working in a demanding professional
environment where right has to be right each and every time, and it has to
be right right now. If he thinks the Behringer equals the Mackie in sound
quality and build, then you might want to ADD his statements to your
experience, rather than denigrate his experience of day after day console
work and substituting your friends and reports and the minimal experience
you possibly have with a wide variety of consoles. Not saying he's right
and you're wrong. I'm saying he usually only talks about things he knows
well and therefore deserves a listen to.

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SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"Troy" wrote in message
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I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money

and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought

into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


George Gleason wrote in message
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"Troy" wrote in message
. ca...
"equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"

This is NOT true at all.They are garbage.Mackie is WAY better.


My experiances with both find your conclusion to be full of ****
George






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Cool. It's always nice to have an operating piece of equipment. And the
good thing about a Mackie is that, if it does go down, you can probably get
it repaired a little easier in the states than one could a Behringer. But
again, a man offers you day after day use of product in a pretty rugged
environment with a tally and yet you don't wish to believe him. Yours
doesn't do that. Ah, but does yours get thrown in a truck 4 times a week,
successfully run shows and return home still working? Or is yours just
turned on during the weekend?

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SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"Troy" wrote in message
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I didn't "hear it from a friend",I saw and I heard it and watched it die a
horrible death.It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.My
mackie is still running,years after his board is dead and gone.


George wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Troy" wrote:

I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some

money
and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought

into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer
my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5
behringer so far
no "heard it from a friend" bull****
my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned
my 802s
are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out
i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at
this time
never had a fail
I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was
recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA
ruined a NPR recording
my personal
Failure score card
mackie 6
behringer 0

George







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Different George. George Gleason made the statement, George gave you a
tally of broken to not broken. Two different people.

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SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"Troy" wrote in message
. ca...
You say "equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"

If I had 6 mackies die on me I woulden't have said this.I would have said
"much better than mackies", not equal to.

I find it hard to beleive that 3 1402's all died at the same time unless
they were abused or rained on or something to do with poor conditions that
would have killed any mixer,including your behringers.

People buy them because they are cheap and easily replaced.If it

breaks,you
throw it away and buy another.I'm sure cost had alot to do with you buying
them as it does for many others.




George wrote in message
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In article ,
"Troy" wrote:

I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some

money
and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it
worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought

into
these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and
unreliable.

So I find your conclusion to be full of ****.


so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer
my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5
behringer so far
no "heard it from a friend" bull****
my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned
my 802s
are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out
i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at
this time
never had a fail
I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was
recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA
ruined a NPR recording
my personal
Failure score card
mackie 6
behringer 0

George





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spl dan wrote :

If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are
the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about
every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas
Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands
down.


I have used both the VEnice and the mixwizard series and while the Venice
sound better, the mixwizzard is much more ruggid and roadproof IMO.. It's
also way less expensive..

But I'd still take my Behringer DDX 3216 over the Mixwizzard. It has not
failed me once since I started using it and sound much better then the
A&H.. It's a digital mixer and has better features at a slightly lower
price..

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how are you gonna guarantee my safety..
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tojo wrote :

Paul, have you used the DDX3216 as control surface with Cubase SX or
any software? I am very interested in this mixer but I also worried
about their future support especially with 3rd party softwares. Any
pointer to user forum?


I am planning on trying that soon.. there is a mixermap for logic. but it's
a quickly thrown together thingie.. I plan on sitting down with a friend I
hope somewhere next month to do a proper map..

I wish there was a DDX 3216 forum and have asked Behringer about it. They
replied they are considering it. This is one versatile beast and a
dedicated forum would be real useful IMO..

And Behringer is real good at listening I have sent them a number of Emails
with remarks and suggestions and the respond promptly and with a good
positive attitude..

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how are you gonna guarantee my safety..
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Mackie and Behringer... All the same really. Both made in China and both
noisy. The simple fact is, you get what you pay for. If you want a good
console with low noise, fork up the bucks. Soundcraft MH-3, Midas XL-4,
Crest VX. All of these manufactures make small frame sizes for their good
consoles.


"Gary Morrison" wrote in message
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Behringer touts their mixers as being very-low-noise, but that's a load of
hooey when it comes to their headphone outputs at least. Curiously, I've
really only used their mixers for headphone applications, so I don't know
what their line-level outputs sound like.

Short version: Buy Mackie instead.

Nevertheless, there is one Behringer product that I am overall pretty
impressed with: Their noise-reducer. It appears to be an original design
rather than yet another one of their cheap knock-offs of the corresponding
Mackie product. (I don't know of any equivalent Mackie product, but if I
did, I'd buy the Mackie instead.) In short, it's the confluence of a
downward expander with a quickly-sweeping lowpass filter. The downward
expander of course is to knock out noise (noise of any sort) while the
source is effectively silent, and the sweeping lowpass filter to knock out
electronic hiss when the expander is ... "open" for lack of a better word.
It seems to work quite well from what I've seen, even doing a reasonably
unobtrusive job when the source is extremely noisy. By the way, I don't
recommend using its "automatic" setting; you'll get much better results
when you fine-tune it to the particular source.

Obviously of course, any example of this sort of electronic fakery must be
treated as a last resort, and if you do have to resort ot using them,
they'll do a vastly better job when the source is only slightly noisy.
That is, first and foremost, you have to do everything possible to simply
get the noise out of the source before applying noise reducers.




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yeah, the new lowered price on the DDX3216 is amazing, even with a
ADAT card is like $1180 on many on-line stores and tha'ts 32ch (16 of
them digital) with 16 assignable bus and 4 multi-fx. And all inputs
channel have 3band para eq and dynamic, how can you beat this!
But it's been out for a couple of years and yet I don't see much on
the mixer map, it looks easy to setup but couldn't find any user
sharing their preset on the internet. Anyway, if B setup a forum for
this mixer and for people to exchange presets, it will ensure buyers
that it is still in their interests to suppor this product.


On 09 Sep 2003 15:02:27 GMT, Paul van der Heu wrote:

spl dan wrote :

If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are
the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about
every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas
Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands
down.


I have used both the VEnice and the mixwizard series and while the Venice
sound better, the mixwizzard is much more ruggid and roadproof IMO.. It's
also way less expensive..

But I'd still take my Behringer DDX 3216 over the Mixwizzard. It has not
failed me once since I started using it and sound much better then the
A&H.. It's a digital mixer and has better features at a slightly lower
price..




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I have mixed on several of the venice consloe and loved mixing on them the
headroom and eq have no equal
BUT nearly every owner I have talked to have reported the same ****-ant
failures that they never expected buying a "Midas"
IMO the midas was rushed to market and not thought out very well(in areas
such as the aux buss pre/post setup, the phantom power switches, the vent
holes that bleed sun light into the LEDs)
thank god I saw this before I bought one!!!
George


I was pretty underwhelmed by the Venice. The short faders are what I'd expect
on a Mackie, the aux pre/post arrangement is just dumb, the lack of matrices is
a problem for me. Overall, I don't think it's really a Midas design. It looks &
feels like one the lower end DDA's, rebadged.


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Nevertheless, there is one Behringer product that I am overall pretty
impressed with: Their noise-reducer. It appears to be an original design
rather than yet another one of their cheap knock-offs of the corresponding
Mackie product. (I don't know of any equivalent Mackie product, but if I
did, I'd buy the Mackie instead.) In short, it's the confluence of a
downward expander with a quickly-sweeping lowpass filter.

Don't know how original the design can be because downward expanders & program
dependent lowpass filters have been implemented as noise reduction units by
many manufactures for at least 30 years.

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It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.

You haven't had the pleasure of mixing on an ART, I take it.


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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Which was one of my reasons for going with the Crest, although why this
thing is even suggested for anything BUT an installation I don't know.
Phantom power is not only recessed but on the back panel and a bear to
reach. It works fine in my gig rig for a weeks worth of festival events,
but it's really a pain otherwise, so I have two different rack units to
carry it in, depending on the type of gig. For some reason I simply don't
like mixing in the vertical (which is necessary if you want access to the
backplane. Seems too strange.

But then the product itself is excellent in sound quality and routing
flexibility if one ignores the less than stellar ease of setup. Overall

I'm
still glad I didn't get the Venice.

However, George, I don't know how this relates to a Behringer thread! g


My GL2's were set up like your crest
I ended up making a duplicate back panel and a slant rack with patches to
the gl2's inputs so I could get easy access
while i was at it I added a parellel mult for the snake
George


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"ScotFraser" wrote in message
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It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.

You haven't had the pleasure of mixing on an ART, I take it.

or a Samson, phonic,kelsey

man there is some scary **** out there
George




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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Different George. George Gleason made the statement, George gave you a
tally of broken to not broken. Two different people.

--

Rodger I think they were both me

I post from two diffrent puters
My PC I am George Gleason on my mac I have 3 news readers and not sure who
I am on each of them
peace
george


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"Josh Snider" wrote in message
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I would not trust a mackie to work as they had already failed over and

over
on me
due to thier poor design or thier power supply
on the 1402
it is not properly heat sinked and cooks the capacitors


Really? I've had my 1402 for oh about 5 years, and it was used when I got
it. I often have it up and running all day almost every day since then,

and
It's still working as good as the day I got it. Low noise, no scratchy

pots
or connectors, no problems whatsoever.


most likely in a nice clean air condition humidity controlled room some
where.
take it live and watch it die you could heat coffee on the power supply
it is right over the LEDS touch it some time then think about the failure I
have mentioned

George


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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
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Mr. Gleason is a professional working in a demanding professional
environment where right has to be right each and every time, and it has to
be right right now. If he thinks the Behringer equals the Mackie in sound
quality and build, then you might want to ADD his statements to your
experience, rather than denigrate his experience of day after day console
work and substituting your friends and reports and the minimal experience
you possibly have with a wide variety of consoles. Not saying he's right
and you're wrong. I'm saying he usually only talks about things he knows
well and therefore deserves a listen to.

Thanks Roger after a while on the groups you get to know who is who and
what experiance they carry
like yourself there are many i respect yet differ with
and then there are those who post a isolated experiance as a universial
fact

but back to what I know best
BEER!!!!
lol
George
Roger will you be at AES?
I hope to meet Ty there and if your around a few minutes would be welcomed



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Don't know how original the design can be because downward expanders &
program
dependent lowpass filters have been implemented as noise reduction units by
many manufactures for at least 30 years.


Perhaps it was lifted from a National Semiconductor application note.

Peace,
Paul
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