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Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess...
-- Steven Sena XS Sound www.xssound.com "Jerry" wrote in message news:0kR6b.388224$uu5.72433@sccrnsc04... Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers? Jerry |
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"Steven Sena" wrote :
Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess... Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer has come a LONG way over the last 2 years.. Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300).. 32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works great! One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case.. Low end? nope cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks) Better then nothing? what isn't! -- Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows, how are you gonna guarantee my safety.. --John Crichton - Farscape pilot |
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yeah...whatever...
-- Steven Sena XS Sound www.xssound.com "Paul van der Heu" wrote in message ... "Steven Sena" wrote : Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess... Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer has come a LONG way over the last 2 years.. Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300).. 32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works great! One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case.. Low end? nope cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks) Better then nothing? what isn't! -- Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows, how are you gonna guarantee my safety.. --John Crichton - Farscape pilot |
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Jerry wrote: Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers? Jerry YES...they all SUCK! Buy the products that Behringer copies. They ALL sound way better. |
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Behringer touts their mixers as being very-low-noise, but that's a load of
hooey when it comes to their headphone outputs at least. Curiously, I've really only used their mixers for headphone applications, so I don't know what their line-level outputs sound like. Short version: Buy Mackie instead. Nevertheless, there is one Behringer product that I am overall pretty impressed with: Their noise-reducer. It appears to be an original design rather than yet another one of their cheap knock-offs of the corresponding Mackie product. (I don't know of any equivalent Mackie product, but if I did, I'd buy the Mackie instead.) In short, it's the confluence of a downward expander with a quickly-sweeping lowpass filter. The downward expander of course is to knock out noise (noise of any sort) while the source is effectively silent, and the sweeping lowpass filter to knock out electronic hiss when the expander is ... "open" for lack of a better word. It seems to work quite well from what I've seen, even doing a reasonably unobtrusive job when the source is extremely noisy. By the way, I don't recommend using its "automatic" setting; you'll get much better results when you fine-tune it to the particular source. Obviously of course, any example of this sort of electronic fakery must be treated as a last resort, and if you do have to resort ot using them, they'll do a vastly better job when the source is only slightly noisy. That is, first and foremost, you have to do everything possible to simply get the noise out of the source before applying noise reducers. |
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"Jerry" wrote in message news:0kR6b.388224$uu5.72433@sccrnsc04... Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers? equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost George |
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"Paul van der Heu" wrote in message ... "Steven Sena" wrote : Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess... Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer has come a LONG way over the last 2 years.. Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300).. 32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works great! One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case.. Low end? nope cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks) Better then nothing? what isn't! I have mixed on several of the venice consloe and loved mixing on them the headroom and eq have no equal BUT nearly every owner I have talked to have reported the same ****-ant failures that they never expected buying a "Midas" IMO the midas was rushed to market and not thought out very well(in areas such as the aux buss pre/post setup, the phantom power switches, the vent holes that bleed sun light into the LEDs) thank god I saw this before I bought one!!! George |
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"equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"
This is NOT true at all.They are garbage.Mackie is WAY better. George Gleason wrote in message ... "Jerry" wrote in message news:0kR6b.388224$uu5.72433@sccrnsc04... Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers? equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost George |
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I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and
buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. George Gleason wrote in message ... "Troy" wrote in message . ca... "equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost" This is NOT true at all.They are garbage.Mackie is WAY better. My experiances with both find your conclusion to be full of **** George |
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"Troy" wrote: I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5 behringer so far no "heard it from a friend" bull**** my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned my 802s are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at this time never had a fail I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA ruined a NPR recording my personal Failure score card mackie 6 behringer 0 George |
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"Mike Faithfull" wrote :
I don't knowingly have personal experience of the best Mackie ever made, but I have used a small Mackie console (CFX12?) beside my Behringer UB2442 on small gigs - one for the monitors and the other for FOH. To my untrained ears and inexperienced hands, the Behringer is the better unit. I have four mixers at hand: Behringer DDX3216 Spirit LX7-24 Mackie 16.8 A&H GL3300 I did a head to head with a multitrack recording and here's the results: 1. DDX 3216.. Cleanest sound, best definition 2. GL3300 .. almost as good, but too much boom 3. 16.8 .. problems with definition, dull sounding overall 4. LX7-24 .. sounds like recording through a mudpool.. I am selling all but the Behringer and getting another one.. Hell from the sale of just the A&H I should be able to get two..;^) -- Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows, how are you gonna guarantee my safety.. --John Crichton - Farscape pilot |
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I didn't "hear it from a friend",I saw and I heard it and watched it die a
horrible death.It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.My mackie is still running,years after his board is dead and gone. George wrote in message ... In article , "Troy" wrote: I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5 behringer so far no "heard it from a friend" bull**** my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned my 802s are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at this time never had a fail I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA ruined a NPR recording my personal Failure score card mackie 6 behringer 0 George |
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You say "equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost"
If I had 6 mackies die on me I woulden't have said this.I would have said "much better than mackies", not equal to. I find it hard to beleive that 3 1402's all died at the same time unless they were abused or rained on or something to do with poor conditions that would have killed any mixer,including your behringers. People buy them because they are cheap and easily replaced.If it breaks,you throw it away and buy another.I'm sure cost had alot to do with you buying them as it does for many others. George wrote in message ... In article , "Troy" wrote: I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5 behringer so far no "heard it from a friend" bull**** my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned my 802s are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at this time never had a fail I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA ruined a NPR recording my personal Failure score card mackie 6 behringer 0 George |
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"Troy" wrote in message . ca... "my 802s are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out" I hope the above statement is true as they are only worth about $50.00 new.If not you work for cheap. I was refering to the "higher end" mixers not some $50.00 toy mixers. It was all that was required to process the feed from WHCA when doing a 17,500$ presidential speech so yes I guess they do earn me more than they cost I would not trust a mackie to work as they had already failed over and over on me due to thier poor design or thier power supply on the 1402 it is not properly heat sinked and cooks the capacitors the 802 do not have that problem as they have external power supplies you should know a few facts before you spout off there are people here that understand the gear they use and have greater real world experiance than you or me I had one of the best mixes I ever did on a maryland sound supplied mackie 24.4 when I was on tour but given the choice I would have choosen most likey a soundcraft but this thread is not about soundcrafts, midas,crest,allen-heaths or any other "better" mixers it is about wether behringers do what they say they do and how they compare to others targeted at the same market and for that the behringer is as good as the best mackie but only costs 1/3 as much george |
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"Troy" wrote in message . ca... I didn't "hear it from a friend", Troy writes: ..A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies. but of course in his mind this does not qualify as "Hearing it from a friend" your own words BUDDY george |
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No I don't consider this hearing it from a friend as I used the damn thing.
George Gleason wrote in message ... "Troy" wrote in message . ca... I didn't "hear it from a friend", Troy writes: .A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies. but of course in his mind this does not qualify as "Hearing it from a friend" your own words BUDDY george |
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"Troy" wrote in message . ca... Do a google search on behringer and see for yourself all the problems they have. When searching, also weigh the following: Age of these posts/experiences - some guys are still ****ed over the Mackie lawsuit from years ago; Size of the installed base relative to any negative posts (Do you know how many of each model are sold per month? How many "problems" does it take to equal 1% of that? What is their No Problem Found percentage?), and; Any obvious BS you see. There's plenty of that! For example, Troy has posted 9 times in two behringer threads today alone. That would be 9 separate Google posts, all on the negative side based on "his" experience with a friend's mixer. How much weight do you give that? There are plenty of stores where you can try the mixers. Go find out for yourself! Jim |
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Berhrinnger Mackie it's all the same crap!! The only difference is a
Mackie can take more abuse and still run, and it has a better name. If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands down. About the Midas Venice I have not used one but have heard things about it let us just remember it may have the Midas name on it but it is a low rent Midas, even the rep does not recomened it. On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:55:08 GMT, "Jerry" wrote: Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers? Jerry |
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I have used Mackies for years, and after we switched to A&H, Mackies
sounds like crap: sounds edgy, missing details, and eq sucks. The more I use A&H, the more I am impressed with it's pre-amp and eq. I have been testing Behringer from time to time and I agree that they have been improving their products over the past few years. I am now considering their DDX3216. No, I haven't A/B compare the Mackie and Behringer, but seriously, I'd take Behringer over Mackie any day. I htink Mackie is more like a marketing firm than a audio quipment maker (like most US companies). And for like 1/2 the price, Behringer will beat Mackie on value, and at least I don't remember Behringer ever sound harsh like the Mackie. Mackie may had better service in the past, but I can't be sure of their current state. Paul, have you used the DDX3216 as control surface with Cubase SX or any software? I am very interested in this mixer but I also worried about their future support especially with 3rd party softwares. Any pointer to user forum? On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 01:06:56 GMT, "Troy" wrote: Do a google search on behringer and see for yourself all the problems they have. Jerry wrote in message news:0kR6b.388224$uu5.72433@sccrnsc04... Does anyone have any feedback to share regarding Behringer mixers? Jerry |
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"Josh Snider" wrote in message ... the 802 do not have that problem as they have external power supplies Internal power supply is fantastic. If I leave my power "supply" at the gig, it costs me $5 at Rat Shack to replace the 4' IEC cable. How much does behringer/soundcraft/etc... Charge for a new adaptor that takes up far too much space in a case/power strip? And pretty much everyone agrees that wall warts and line lumps are annoying at best, and hindering and expensive at worst. So buy a UB series Behringer with internal supply then. 2 Behringers for less than one Mackie means you always have a backup. And the chance of needing it is about the same for both! TonyP. |
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spl dan wrote: Berhrinnger Mackie it's all the same crap!! I agree only meaningful diffrence is the behringer is 1/3 the money The only difference is a Mackie can take more abuse and still run, NIMO and it has a better name. NIMO If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands down. About the Midas Venice I have not used one but have heard things about it let us just remember it may have the Midas name on it but it is a low rent Midas, even the rep does not recomened it. The Midas sounds terrific but is starting to build up a bad rep from the poor build quality Vs cost I would buy the soundcraft k1 over the venice if I wanted to spend that much and get so little george |
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The 3216 was just lowered in price to $999 USD as I recall seeing. That
makes it an interesting piece to look at, and it has gotten some pretty good reviews. This doesn't, however, speak one way or the other about such things as support, manuals, ease of use in design, etc. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "Paul van der Heu" wrote in message ... "Steven Sena" wrote : Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess... Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer has come a LONG way over the last 2 years.. Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300).. 32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works great! One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case.. Low end? nope cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks) Better then nothing? what isn't! -- Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows, how are you gonna guarantee my safety.. --John Crichton - Farscape pilot |
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Which was one of my reasons for going with the Crest, although why this
thing is even suggested for anything BUT an installation I don't know. Phantom power is not only recessed but on the back panel and a bear to reach. It works fine in my gig rig for a weeks worth of festival events, but it's really a pain otherwise, so I have two different rack units to carry it in, depending on the type of gig. For some reason I simply don't like mixing in the vertical (which is necessary if you want access to the backplane. Seems too strange. But then the product itself is excellent in sound quality and routing flexibility if one ignores the less than stellar ease of setup. Overall I'm still glad I didn't get the Venice. However, George, I don't know how this relates to a Behringer thread! g -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "George Gleason" wrote in message ... "Paul van der Heu" wrote in message ... "Steven Sena" wrote : Low end... Cheap...Better than nothing, I guess... Based on what? your (recent) experience with them or hearsay.. BEhringer has come a LONG way over the last 2 years.. Having used my DDX 3216 quite intensive over the last three months (on the road). I can it is a stable, well built and great sounding piece of equipment. It's flexible, intuitive and the bands I work with notice it sounds much better then my previous mixer (A&H GL3300).. 32in/22out and 2 ADAT lightpipes I/O for under 2200 euros.. and it works great! One of the bands I work with bought a Midas (Venice) recently, for almost three times what I paid for my setup, and after two monts parts are coming loose and I heard strange squicky noises when I open the case.. Low end? nope cheap? yes (as in mucho bang for your bucks) Better then nothing? what isn't! I have mixed on several of the venice consloe and loved mixing on them the headroom and eq have no equal BUT nearly every owner I have talked to have reported the same ****-ant failures that they never expected buying a "Midas" IMO the midas was rushed to market and not thought out very well(in areas such as the aux buss pre/post setup, the phantom power switches, the vent holes that bleed sun light into the LEDs) thank god I saw this before I bought one!!! George |
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Mr. Gleason is a professional working in a demanding professional
environment where right has to be right each and every time, and it has to be right right now. If he thinks the Behringer equals the Mackie in sound quality and build, then you might want to ADD his statements to your experience, rather than denigrate his experience of day after day console work and substituting your friends and reports and the minimal experience you possibly have with a wide variety of consoles. Not saying he's right and you're wrong. I'm saying he usually only talks about things he knows well and therefore deserves a listen to. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "Troy" wrote in message . ca... I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. George Gleason wrote in message ... "Troy" wrote in message . ca... "equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost" This is NOT true at all.They are garbage.Mackie is WAY better. My experiances with both find your conclusion to be full of **** George |
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Cool. It's always nice to have an operating piece of equipment. And the
good thing about a Mackie is that, if it does go down, you can probably get it repaired a little easier in the states than one could a Behringer. But again, a man offers you day after day use of product in a pretty rugged environment with a tally and yet you don't wish to believe him. Yours doesn't do that. Ah, but does yours get thrown in a truck 4 times a week, successfully run shows and return home still working? Or is yours just turned on during the weekend? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "Troy" wrote in message . ca... I didn't "hear it from a friend",I saw and I heard it and watched it die a horrible death.It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.My mackie is still running,years after his board is dead and gone. George wrote in message ... In article , "Troy" wrote: I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5 behringer so far no "heard it from a friend" bull**** my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned my 802s are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at this time never had a fail I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA ruined a NPR recording my personal Failure score card mackie 6 behringer 0 George |
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Different George. George Gleason made the statement, George gave you a
tally of broken to not broken. Two different people. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "Troy" wrote in message . ca... You say "equal to the best mackie ever made but at 1/3 the cost" If I had 6 mackies die on me I woulden't have said this.I would have said "much better than mackies", not equal to. I find it hard to beleive that 3 1402's all died at the same time unless they were abused or rained on or something to do with poor conditions that would have killed any mixer,including your behringers. People buy them because they are cheap and easily replaced.If it breaks,you throw it away and buy another.I'm sure cost had alot to do with you buying them as it does for many others. George wrote in message ... In article , "Troy" wrote: I have used both also.A friend of mine thought he would save some money and buy the 24/8 knock off and it was a piece of **** (and thats when it worked).I have also talked to many very dissapointed people who bought into these knock off mixers being just as good a mackies.They are noisy and unreliable. So I find your conclusion to be full of ****. so you had a "friend" who had a questionable mixer my experiance comes from personally owning at least 6 mackies and 5 behringer so far no "heard it from a friend" bull**** my 1402's were the second worst product I ever owned my 802s are making me more money than thier cost every time they go out i have 3 802s in service a 3216 in servide and one 802"missing" at this time never had a fail I had 3 1402 go down at one show(over 4 days) one of them was recording the installation of the poet laurete for the USA ruined a NPR recording my personal Failure score card mackie 6 behringer 0 George |
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spl dan wrote :
If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands down. I have used both the VEnice and the mixwizard series and while the Venice sound better, the mixwizzard is much more ruggid and roadproof IMO.. It's also way less expensive.. But I'd still take my Behringer DDX 3216 over the Mixwizzard. It has not failed me once since I started using it and sound much better then the A&H.. It's a digital mixer and has better features at a slightly lower price.. -- Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows, how are you gonna guarantee my safety.. --John Crichton - Farscape pilot |
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tojo wrote :
Paul, have you used the DDX3216 as control surface with Cubase SX or any software? I am very interested in this mixer but I also worried about their future support especially with 3rd party softwares. Any pointer to user forum? I am planning on trying that soon.. there is a mixermap for logic. but it's a quickly thrown together thingie.. I plan on sitting down with a friend I hope somewhere next month to do a proper map.. I wish there was a DDX 3216 forum and have asked Behringer about it. They replied they are considering it. This is one versatile beast and a dedicated forum would be real useful IMO.. And Behringer is real good at listening I have sent them a number of Emails with remarks and suggestions and the respond promptly and with a good positive attitude.. -- Bill Gates can't guarantee Windows, how are you gonna guarantee my safety.. --John Crichton - Farscape pilot |
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Mackie and Behringer... All the same really. Both made in China and both
noisy. The simple fact is, you get what you pay for. If you want a good console with low noise, fork up the bucks. Soundcraft MH-3, Midas XL-4, Crest VX. All of these manufactures make small frame sizes for their good consoles. "Gary Morrison" wrote in message ... Behringer touts their mixers as being very-low-noise, but that's a load of hooey when it comes to their headphone outputs at least. Curiously, I've really only used their mixers for headphone applications, so I don't know what their line-level outputs sound like. Short version: Buy Mackie instead. Nevertheless, there is one Behringer product that I am overall pretty impressed with: Their noise-reducer. It appears to be an original design rather than yet another one of their cheap knock-offs of the corresponding Mackie product. (I don't know of any equivalent Mackie product, but if I did, I'd buy the Mackie instead.) In short, it's the confluence of a downward expander with a quickly-sweeping lowpass filter. The downward expander of course is to knock out noise (noise of any sort) while the source is effectively silent, and the sweeping lowpass filter to knock out electronic hiss when the expander is ... "open" for lack of a better word. It seems to work quite well from what I've seen, even doing a reasonably unobtrusive job when the source is extremely noisy. By the way, I don't recommend using its "automatic" setting; you'll get much better results when you fine-tune it to the particular source. Obviously of course, any example of this sort of electronic fakery must be treated as a last resort, and if you do have to resort ot using them, they'll do a vastly better job when the source is only slightly noisy. That is, first and foremost, you have to do everything possible to simply get the noise out of the source before applying noise reducers. |
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yeah, the new lowered price on the DDX3216 is amazing, even with a
ADAT card is like $1180 on many on-line stores and tha'ts 32ch (16 of them digital) with 16 assignable bus and 4 multi-fx. And all inputs channel have 3band para eq and dynamic, how can you beat this! But it's been out for a couple of years and yet I don't see much on the mixer map, it looks easy to setup but couldn't find any user sharing their preset on the internet. Anyway, if B setup a forum for this mixer and for people to exchange presets, it will ensure buyers that it is still in their interests to suppor this product. On 09 Sep 2003 15:02:27 GMT, Paul van der Heu wrote: spl dan wrote : If you want a good mixer for your money buy a Allen & Heath they are the by far the best compact mixer I have used. I have used just about every compact mixer you dare show up to a show with execpt the Midas Venice and I tell you that I will always choose a A&H mixer hands down. I have used both the VEnice and the mixwizard series and while the Venice sound better, the mixwizzard is much more ruggid and roadproof IMO.. It's also way less expensive.. But I'd still take my Behringer DDX 3216 over the Mixwizzard. It has not failed me once since I started using it and sound much better then the A&H.. It's a digital mixer and has better features at a slightly lower price.. |
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I have mixed on several of the venice consloe and loved mixing on them the
headroom and eq have no equal BUT nearly every owner I have talked to have reported the same ****-ant failures that they never expected buying a "Midas" IMO the midas was rushed to market and not thought out very well(in areas such as the aux buss pre/post setup, the phantom power switches, the vent holes that bleed sun light into the LEDs) thank god I saw this before I bought one!!! George I was pretty underwhelmed by the Venice. The short faders are what I'd expect on a Mackie, the aux pre/post arrangement is just dumb, the lack of matrices is a problem for me. Overall, I don't think it's really a Midas design. It looks & feels like one the lower end DDA's, rebadged. Scott Fraser |
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Nevertheless, there is one Behringer product that I am overall pretty
impressed with: Their noise-reducer. It appears to be an original design rather than yet another one of their cheap knock-offs of the corresponding Mackie product. (I don't know of any equivalent Mackie product, but if I did, I'd buy the Mackie instead.) In short, it's the confluence of a downward expander with a quickly-sweeping lowpass filter. Don't know how original the design can be because downward expanders & program dependent lowpass filters have been implemented as noise reduction units by many manufactures for at least 30 years. Scott Fraser |
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It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen.
You haven't had the pleasure of mixing on an ART, I take it. Scott Fraser |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Which was one of my reasons for going with the Crest, although why this thing is even suggested for anything BUT an installation I don't know. Phantom power is not only recessed but on the back panel and a bear to reach. It works fine in my gig rig for a weeks worth of festival events, but it's really a pain otherwise, so I have two different rack units to carry it in, depending on the type of gig. For some reason I simply don't like mixing in the vertical (which is necessary if you want access to the backplane. Seems too strange. But then the product itself is excellent in sound quality and routing flexibility if one ignores the less than stellar ease of setup. Overall I'm still glad I didn't get the Venice. However, George, I don't know how this relates to a Behringer thread! g My GL2's were set up like your crest I ended up making a duplicate back panel and a slant rack with patches to the gl2's inputs so I could get easy access while i was at it I added a parellel mult for the snake George |
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"ScotFraser" wrote in message ... It was the biggest piece of **** mixer I had ever seen. You haven't had the pleasure of mixing on an ART, I take it. or a Samson, phonic,kelsey man there is some scary **** out there George |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Different George. George Gleason made the statement, George gave you a tally of broken to not broken. Two different people. -- Rodger I think they were both me I post from two diffrent puters My PC I am George Gleason on my mac I have 3 news readers and not sure who I am on each of them peace george |
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"Josh Snider" wrote in message ... I would not trust a mackie to work as they had already failed over and over on me due to thier poor design or thier power supply on the 1402 it is not properly heat sinked and cooks the capacitors Really? I've had my 1402 for oh about 5 years, and it was used when I got it. I often have it up and running all day almost every day since then, and It's still working as good as the day I got it. Low noise, no scratchy pots or connectors, no problems whatsoever. most likely in a nice clean air condition humidity controlled room some where. take it live and watch it die you could heat coffee on the power supply it is right over the LEDS touch it some time then think about the failure I have mentioned George |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Mr. Gleason is a professional working in a demanding professional environment where right has to be right each and every time, and it has to be right right now. If he thinks the Behringer equals the Mackie in sound quality and build, then you might want to ADD his statements to your experience, rather than denigrate his experience of day after day console work and substituting your friends and reports and the minimal experience you possibly have with a wide variety of consoles. Not saying he's right and you're wrong. I'm saying he usually only talks about things he knows well and therefore deserves a listen to. Thanks Roger after a while on the groups you get to know who is who and what experiance they carry like yourself there are many i respect yet differ with and then there are those who post a isolated experiance as a universial fact but back to what I know best BEER!!!! lol George Roger will you be at AES? I hope to meet Ty there and if your around a few minutes would be welcomed |
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Don't know how original the design can be because downward expanders &
program dependent lowpass filters have been implemented as noise reduction units by many manufactures for at least 30 years. Perhaps it was lifted from a National Semiconductor application note. Peace, Paul |
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