I recently bought a Sony HU (CDX model) to replace an older Kenwood
that crapped out on me a couple of years ago (yes, I went that long
without tunes!).

Bought it and had it installed at Best Buy. The HU is rated 23w RMS
(52X4 max). I believe my speakers are still the stock speakers my 94
Bronco came with. No amp, no sub, etc. Just the HU and stock speakers
(4).

It's been a week now and here are my problems:

It sounds like utter sh*t. Flat, dull and lifeless. The Kenwood
sounded waaaay better when it worked.

The HU now craps out and shuts down at only a modest volume and I have
to hit the reset button to get it going again.

What is the deal? With stock speakers, this should be plenty of power
for modest volume listening, shouldn't it? The Kenwood had no amp and
it sounded 10 times better.

Is it the HU? My speakers? What????

Thanks in advance...

Whiffleboy

probably the installation,
at the very least the speaker could be wired out of phase
causeing low bass and the not too powerfull feeling.
But more likely if you have to reset the headunit, there is a
shorted speaker wire somewhere...

let the installers check for you

good luck
Eddie Runner
http://www.teamrocs.com

wrote:

I recently bought a Sony HU (CDX model) to replace an older Kenwood
that crapped out on me a couple of years ago (yes, I went that long
without tunes!).

Bought it and had it installed at Best Buy. The HU is rated 23w RMS
(52X4 max). I believe my speakers are still the stock speakers my 94
Bronco came with. No amp, no sub, etc. Just the HU and stock speakers
(4).

It's been a week now and here are my problems:

It sounds like utter sh*t. Flat, dull and lifeless. The Kenwood
sounded waaaay better when it worked.

The HU now craps out and shuts down at only a modest volume and I have
to hit the reset button to get it going again.

What is the deal? With stock speakers, this should be plenty of power
for modest volume listening, shouldn't it? The Kenwood had no amp and
it sounded 10 times better.

Is it the HU? My speakers? What????

Thanks in advance...

Whiffleboy

Sounds like Best Buy did a bad install. Have you been back to them?

On 12 May 2005 14:53:58 -0700, wrote:

I recently bought a Sony HU (CDX model) to replace an older Kenwood
that crapped out on me a couple of years ago (yes, I went that long
without tunes!).

Bought it and had it installed at Best Buy. The HU is rated 23w RMS
(52X4 max). I believe my speakers are still the stock speakers my 94
Bronco came with. No amp, no sub, etc. Just the HU and stock speakers
(4).

It's been a week now and here are my problems:

It sounds like utter sh*t. Flat, dull and lifeless. The Kenwood
sounded waaaay better when it worked.

The HU now craps out and shuts down at only a modest volume and I have
to hit the reset button to get it going again.

What is the deal? With stock speakers, this should be plenty of power
for modest volume listening, shouldn't it? The Kenwood had no amp and
it sounded 10 times better.

Is it the HU? My speakers? What????

Thanks in advance...

Whiffleboy

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I haven't had a chance to go back yet. That's my next step. However,
there is a caveat to that...

After installing, the guy asks "how much did they quote you?". After I
told him, he said to give him $40 and call it even. I did and he
handed me what I thought was a receipt with his number written on the
back. Nope! It was just receipt paper he used to write on. He was
taking money under the table. So I'll have to threaten to expose him
if he doesn't want to deal with me.

Whiff


Spike wrote:
Sounds like Best Buy did a bad install. Have you been back to them?

On 12 May 2005 14:53:58 -0700, wrote:

I recently bought a Sony HU (CDX model) to replace an older Kenwood
that crapped out on me a couple of years ago (yes, I went that long
without tunes!).

Bought it and had it installed at Best Buy. The HU is rated 23w RMS
(52X4 max). I believe my speakers are still the stock speakers my
94
Bronco came with. No amp, no sub, etc. Just the HU and stock
speakers
(4).

It's been a week now and here are my problems:

It sounds like utter sh*t. Flat, dull and lifeless. The Kenwood
sounded waaaay better when it worked.

The HU now craps out and shuts down at only a modest volume and I
have
to hit the reset button to get it going again.

What is the deal? With stock speakers, this should be plenty of
power
for modest volume listening, shouldn't it? The Kenwood had no amp
and
it sounded 10 times better.

Is it the HU? My speakers? What????

Thanks in advance...

Whiffleboy

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

crooks never do good work...

Whiff wrote:

I haven't had a chance to go back yet. That's my next step. However,
there is a caveat to that...

After installing, the guy asks "how much did they quote you?". After I
told him, he said to give him $40 and call it even. I did and he
handed me what I thought was a receipt with his number written on the
back. Nope! It was just receipt paper he used to write on. He was
taking money under the table. So I'll have to threaten to expose him
if he doesn't want to deal with me.

Whiff

Spike wrote:
Sounds like Best Buy did a bad install. Have you been back to them?

On 12 May 2005 14:53:58 -0700, wrote:

I recently bought a Sony HU (CDX model) to replace an older Kenwood
that crapped out on me a couple of years ago (yes, I went that long
without tunes!).

Bought it and had it installed at Best Buy. The HU is rated 23w RMS
(52X4 max). I believe my speakers are still the stock speakers my
94
Bronco came with. No amp, no sub, etc. Just the HU and stock
speakers
(4).

It's been a week now and here are my problems:

It sounds like utter sh*t. Flat, dull and lifeless. The Kenwood
sounded waaaay better when it worked.

The HU now craps out and shuts down at only a modest volume and I
have
to hit the reset button to get it going again.

What is the deal? With stock speakers, this should be plenty of
power
for modest volume listening, shouldn't it? The Kenwood had no amp
and
it sounded 10 times better.

Is it the HU? My speakers? What????

Thanks in advance...

Whiffleboy

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
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Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

"Whiff" wrote in message
ups.com...
I haven't had a chance to go back yet. That's my next step. However,
there is a caveat to that...

After installing, the guy asks "how much did they quote you?". After I
told him, he said to give him $40 and call it even. I did and he
handed me what I thought was a receipt with his number written on the
back. Nope! It was just receipt paper he used to write on. He was
taking money under the table. So I'll have to threaten to expose him
if he doesn't want to deal with me.

Whiff



Don't threaten, just go ahead and expose him. He screwed you over just as
much as he screwed over his store; after all, where's your warranty once
he's gone? I'd take it straight to a manager, and let another installer (or
another store) fix your install.

First, you better have proof to back up what you accuse him of.
Failure to do so then leaves you open for a suit for liable/slander
depending on the end result.

Without proof of some sort, he can sue you, yet can't lose his job,
although from that point on they can watch him very closely. If they
did fire him based solely on your word, he then could come back
against you and the employer.

Tread softly.

On Thu, 12 May 2005 23:23:59 GMT, Eddie Runner
wrote:

crooks never do good work...

Whiff wrote:

I haven't had a chance to go back yet. That's my next step. However,
there is a caveat to that...

After installing, the guy asks "how much did they quote you?". After I
told him, he said to give him $40 and call it even. I did and he
handed me what I thought was a receipt with his number written on the
back. Nope! It was just receipt paper he used to write on. He was
taking money under the table. So I'll have to threaten to expose him
if he doesn't want to deal with me.

Whiff

Spike wrote:
Sounds like Best Buy did a bad install. Have you been back to them?

On 12 May 2005 14:53:58 -0700, wrote:

I recently bought a Sony HU (CDX model) to replace an older Kenwood
that crapped out on me a couple of years ago (yes, I went that long
without tunes!).

Bought it and had it installed at Best Buy. The HU is rated 23w RMS
(52X4 max). I believe my speakers are still the stock speakers my
94
Bronco came with. No amp, no sub, etc. Just the HU and stock
speakers
(4).

It's been a week now and here are my problems:

It sounds like utter sh*t. Flat, dull and lifeless. The Kenwood
sounded waaaay better when it worked.

The HU now craps out and shuts down at only a modest volume and I
have
to hit the reset button to get it going again.

What is the deal? With stock speakers, this should be plenty of
power
for modest volume listening, shouldn't it? The Kenwood had no amp
and
it sounded 10 times better.

Is it the HU? My speakers? What????

Thanks in advance...

Whiffleboy

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

I'm not too concerned about any lawsuits, just the hassle of dealing
with the problem if he ends up being a brick. The proof is pretty
easy...the sales girl made my appointment (same day), her and I talked
while the dude installed it, so she'll at least be able to verify I was
there at that time. Plus, all I have to do is hand the manager the
Best Buy receipt tape, have him dial the number and see who answers.
It's pretty obvious.

Anyway, I called him and I'm bringing it back in tomorrow morning.
Hopefully, he'll do the right thing, or I'll have to.

Whiff

"First, you better have proof to back up what you accuse him of. Failure to
do so then leaves you open for a suit for liable/slander depending on the
end result."

I wouldn't worry about that. He paid an employee to install a product.
Whether or not the guy took the money under the table is mute. Fact is he
represented the business and the business "should" take care of the
customer. If he took the money under the table then I'm sure Best Buy will
have serious issues with it.

Tony



--
2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition
Eclipse CD8454 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and ZX500 Amplifiers,
Phoenix Gold EQ-232 30-Band EQ, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and
Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, 2 Soundstream EXACT10s In Aperiodic Enclosure

2001 Chevy S10 ZR2
Pioneer DEH-P9600MP (Just gettin' started)

No problem. It's not my wallet that would be emptied out in a libel
suit. My point is that to go the payback route is easy to do, but ya
gotta protect yourself, or you could end up losing far more than you
gain.

It's easy to say "I wouldn't worry about....". But not worrying about
such things can end up costing you a bundle. That's not to say don't
do it. It's just to say, be very careful.

On Thu, 12 May 2005 22:34:17 -0700, "Tony F"
wrote:

"First, you better have proof to back up what you accuse him of. Failure to
do so then leaves you open for a suit for liable/slander depending on the
end result."

I wouldn't worry about that. He paid an employee to install a product.
Whether or not the guy took the money under the table is mute. Fact is he
represented the business and the business "should" take care of the
customer. If he took the money under the table then I'm sure Best Buy will
have serious issues with it.

Tony

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

I brought the truck back when they opened and his assessment was the HU
was defective. I exchanged it for another, he plopped it in the same
harness. It's just around the corner and I had my little baby with me
so I could really drive around too much too see if craps out. We'll
see what happens. Still doesn't sound as good as my Kenwood did,
though.

I'm thinking I may ditch Best Buy, invest in an amp and new speakers,
and have some other place install/reinstall the whole system. I have a
feeling my stock wiring may be defective somehow and I'd rather pay [in
full] some other place to do a thorough check, correct it and finish
the job properly.

Whiff


KaeZoo wrote:
"Whiff" wrote in message
ups.com...
I haven't had a chance to go back yet. That's my next step.
However,
there is a caveat to that...

After installing, the guy asks "how much did they quote you?".
After I
told him, he said to give him $40 and call it even. I did and he
handed me what I thought was a receipt with his number written on
the
back. Nope! It was just receipt paper he used to write on. He
was
taking money under the table. So I'll have to threaten to expose
him
if he doesn't want to deal with me.

Whiff



Don't threaten, just go ahead and expose him. He screwed you over
just as
much as he screwed over his store; after all, where's your warranty
once
he's gone? I'd take it straight to a manager, and let another
installer (or
another store) fix your install.

"No problem. It's not my wallet that would be emptied out in a libel suit."

I didn't want to get into this earlier, but you have absolutely no idea what
you're talking about. Look up the word "libel" and get back to us.

Tony


--
2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition
Eclipse CD8454 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and ZX500 Amplifiers,
Phoenix Gold EQ-232 30-Band EQ, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and
Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, 2 Soundstream EXACT10s In Aperiodic Enclosure

2001 Chevy S10 ZR2
Pioneer DEH-P9600MP (Just gettin' started)

No problem. It isn't my money. The difference between libel and
slander is commonly confused. Big deal. You want to advise someone to
risk their assets without any thought about repercussions, that's
fine.
I wouldn't even advise you to do that. I have seen first hand how
simple little situations like this can backfire, by watching my
father's business, which has people doing installs for individuals,
businesses and government agencies, outside sales, inside sales,
repairs, etc, over a 26 year period. You know more.... have at it.

On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:08:32 -0700, "Tony F"
wrote:

"No problem. It's not my wallet that would be emptied out in a libel suit."

I didn't want to get into this earlier, but you have absolutely no idea what
you're talking about. Look up the word "libel" and get back to us.

Tony

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"No problem. It isn't my money. The difference between libel and slander is
commonly confused. Big deal."

Slander or libel. I can't see how the original poster's problem has
anything to do with either of these or could realistically result in such a
situation.

"I have seen first hand how simple little situations like this can backfire,
by watching my
father's business, which has people doing installs for individuals,
businesses and government agencies, outside sales, inside sales, repairs,
etc, over a 26 year period. You know more.... have at it."

I've been a police officer for over 10 years, so yes I do think I know a
thing or two about all this...thus the reason I came forward and said
something in the first place. Your concerns are unwarranted in this
situation.

Tony







--
2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition
Eclipse CD8454 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and ZX500 Amplifiers,
Phoenix Gold EQ-232 30-Band EQ, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and
Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, 2 Soundstream EXACT10s In Aperiodic Enclosure

2001 Chevy S10 ZR2
Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC
Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub

And I'm retired law enforcement. Perhaps that's why I have such a
view. I never walk blindly into a situation. Your advice promotes
doing so. I lived to retirement and well past the 5 year post
retirement wall. Will you?

On Sat, 14 May 2005 02:33:26 -0700, "Tony F"
wrote:

"No problem. It isn't my money. The difference between libel and slander is
commonly confused. Big deal."

Slander or libel. I can't see how the original poster's problem has
anything to do with either of these or could realistically result in such a
situation.

"I have seen first hand how simple little situations like this can backfire,
by watching my
father's business, which has people doing installs for individuals,
businesses and government agencies, outside sales, inside sales, repairs,
etc, over a 26 year period. You know more.... have at it."

I've been a police officer for over 10 years, so yes I do think I know a
thing or two about all this...thus the reason I came forward and said
something in the first place. Your concerns are unwarranted in this
situation.

Tony

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"And I'm retired law enforcement. Perhaps that's why I have such a view. I
never walk blindly into a situation. Your advice promotes doing so. I lived
to retirement and well past the 5 year post retirement wall. Will you?"

Oh good lord! Stop being so melodramatic. I'm done.

Tony



--
2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition
Eclipse CD8454 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and ZX500 Amplifiers,
Phoenix Gold EQ-232 30-Band EQ, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and
Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, 2 Soundstream EXACT10s In Aperiodic Enclosure

2001 Chevy S10 ZR2
Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC
Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub

Yeah. My daughter was just sworn in. I hope she avoids your attitude.


On Sat, 14 May 2005 13:16:51 -0700, "Tony F"
wrote:

"And I'm retired law enforcement. Perhaps that's why I have such a view. I
never walk blindly into a situation. Your advice promotes doing so. I lived
to retirement and well past the 5 year post retirement wall. Will you?"

Oh good lord! Stop being so melodramatic. I'm done.

Tony

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First, you better have proof to back up what you accuse him of.
Failure to do so then leaves you open for a suit for liable/slander
depending on the end result.

Without proof of some sort, he can sue you, yet can't lose his job,
although from that point on they can watch him very closely. If they
did fire him based solely on your word, he then could come back
against you and the employer.

Spike, with all due respect.... bull.

When I was just out of high school, I worked for a chain too. There were
certain things that this chain's installers could not and would not do (eg.
kick panels, fiberglassing, special amp racks, etc). This is like most
chains, I guess. I offered to do these things for a few customers since I
was "freelancing" (for lack of a better term) on the side. Word got out and
I was asked to leave - there wasn't any proof at all. There were no hard
feelings, because I knew that it was against the store's policy and the
manager knew I wasn't stealing business away from the store. But most
chains just prefer not to take the risk, and they'll part ways with you if
they have a strong suspicion that things like that are going on.

You could perhaps be right. However, I know what goes in California,
and the rules here are so anti-business that many businesses have
already departed the state, and others have simply closed their doors.
The climate here favors the employee.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:44:44 -0400, "MZ"
wrote:

First, you better have proof to back up what you accuse him of.
Failure to do so then leaves you open for a suit for liable/slander
depending on the end result.

Without proof of some sort, he can sue you, yet can't lose his job,
although from that point on they can watch him very closely. If they
did fire him based solely on your word, he then could come back
against you and the employer.

Spike, with all due respect.... bull.

When I was just out of high school, I worked for a chain too. There were
certain things that this chain's installers could not and would not do (eg.
kick panels, fiberglassing, special amp racks, etc). This is like most
chains, I guess. I offered to do these things for a few customers since I
was "freelancing" (for lack of a better term) on the side. Word got out and
I was asked to leave - there wasn't any proof at all. There were no hard
feelings, because I knew that it was against the store's policy and the
manager knew I wasn't stealing business away from the store. But most
chains just prefer not to take the risk, and they'll part ways with you if
they have a strong suspicion that things like that are going on.


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