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I have a Yamaha CD (CDC-585) player that can't be more than 6 years
old. Today it took longer than usual to read a couple of discs and then started playing them from the middle of the disk! These discs once played fine on my player and yes, the disc plays fine on another player. Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? |
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gperkins151 wrote:
I have a Yamaha CD (CDC-585) player that can't be more than 6 years old. Today it took longer than usual to read a couple of discs and then started playing them from the middle of the disk! These discs once played fine on my player and yes, the disc plays fine on another player. Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? I dunno, take it a technician and ask him to check it out. If it's six years old, it's more than overdue for a cleaning and lubrication of the rails, plus current adjustment of the laser and (depending on the machine) various tracking adjustments. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. |
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Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Thanks! |
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Had a similar problem and discovered a faint film, not dust but like
what you get on a car windshield, on the lens. Carefully cleaned it off and all was well again. This is worth checking. Mistracking and similar problems are often caused by reduced laser output. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) ( Combo Hi-Fi VHS player and DVD *recorder* for a friend for X-mas at Frys: $69 ) |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Gonna be real hard to clip the **** out of a digital input, unless I'm really doing something wrong :-) |
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"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message . net... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Gonna be real hard to clip the **** out of a digital input, unless I'm really doing something wrong :-) I can't seem to extract a CD into PT (HD7) without clipping. Perhaps unrelated, but puzzling none the less. |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message . net... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Gonna be real hard to clip the **** out of a digital input, unless I'm really doing something wrong :-) I can't seem to extract a CD into PT (HD7) without clipping. Perhaps unrelated, but puzzling none the less. I'm guessing that PT has a more conservative definition of clipping than the dude that mastered the CD you're trying to rip. Some people consider 1 sample at full scale to be clipping, some consider 3, some others as much as 5. |
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:55:25 -0600, Romeo Rondeau
wrote: I'm guessing that PT has a more conservative definition of clipping than the dude that mastered the CD you're trying to rip. Some people consider 1 sample at full scale to be clipping, some consider 3, some others as much as 5. Well, technically speaking one FS sample is just another digital value - not clipped. Two at FS would be interpolated correctly by the reconstruction filter, and would not represent a clipped signal. Three or more would not be correctable, and would be clipping. That assumes that the original signal was not a flat top, of course. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:55:25 -0600, Romeo Rondeau wrote: I'm guessing that PT has a more conservative definition of clipping than the dude that mastered the CD you're trying to rip. Some people consider 1 sample at full scale to be clipping, some consider 3, some others as much as 5. Well, technically speaking one FS sample is just another digital value - not clipped. Two at FS would be interpolated correctly by the reconstruction filter, and would not represent a clipped signal. Three or more would not be correctable, and would be clipping. That assumes that the original signal was not a flat top, of course. There's no way of knowing really, and that's the reason there are many definitions of clipping in the digital realm. I try to keep the largest peak at -0.1 dB, that way there's no question. |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: gperkins151 wrote: I have a Yamaha CD (CDC-585) player that can't be more than 6 years old. Today it took longer than usual to read a couple of discs and then started playing them from the middle of the disk! These discs once played fine on my player and yes, the disc plays fine on another player. Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? I dunno, take it a technician and ask him to check it out. If it's six years old, it's more than overdue for a cleaning and lubrication of the rails, plus current adjustment of the laser and (depending on the machine) various tracking adjustments. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." What does something like that cost? The unit was under $175 originally. I live in the NYC area, anyone know where I can bring it? |
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gperkins151 wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: gperkins151 wrote: I have a Yamaha CD (CDC-585) player that can't be more than 6 years old. Today it took longer than usual to read a couple of discs and then started playing them from the middle of the disk! These discs once played fine on my player and yes, the disc plays fine on another player. Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? I dunno, take it a technician and ask him to check it out. If it's six years old, it's more than overdue for a cleaning and lubrication of the rails, plus current adjustment of the laser and (depending on the machine) various tracking adjustments. What does something like that cost? The unit was under $175 originally. It probably costs about as much as the CD player does. This is the basic issue with consumer electronics: they are cheaper to replace than to repair, therefore manufacturers no longer have much interest in making them easy to repair or providing service support. I live in the NYC area, anyone know where I can bring it? Not offhand. Do you still have a neighborhood TV repair? That's where I would start. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote: How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? I think they pull a lever and just stamp it in one operation. g One thing that cuts back on the costs is manufacturing engineering. They put some time into designing the machinery (that they can re-use) and get the build cost way down. And when they get it down far enough, they can push sales way up. And of course by making something that's not designed to be serviced, they cut way back on technical support and sustaining engineering. But then how do they make all the functionality of a multitrack recorder and mixing console so cheap? Same thing. And if you don't think they've cut back on tech support costs, just try asking for some. g |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Given today's CDs, how could you tell if it was the player that was clipping? It's not difficult to extract the full dynamic range of a CD these days. What're we talking about? Maybe 6 dB? And since most consumer electronics has a maximum output level of around 3 volts RMS, that's not hard to do either. Given the nature of "full scale digital" it's easy to predict the absolute maximum level coming out of the D/A converter and design so that the analog circuity doesn't clip. |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message . net... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Gonna be real hard to clip the **** out of a digital input, unless I'm really doing something wrong :-) I can't seem to extract a CD into PT (HD7) without clipping. Perhaps unrelated, but puzzling none the less. There's nothing like Exact Aduio Copy available there? -- Les Cargill |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? They probably don't make it that cheap. You're just getting it that cheap. But still, it's usually an ASIC and a couple general-purpose processors in there with a little firmware. Stuff's gotten small enough that they're practically printed, not manufactured. Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. -- Les Cargill |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message ... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message . net... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Romeo Rondeau" wrote in message t... Mike Rivers wrote: gperkins151 wrote: Does this mean my CD player will soon stop functioning? Yes. **** breaks. And what really ****es you off is that when you bought it it cost a lot of money and today you can replace it with something that works and sounds better and costs 10% of what you paid for the first one. But take heart. It will break sooner. Buy a new DVD player for $29 and enjoy the versatility and crappy user interface. Man, our singer went and picked up a DVD player from Walmart that costs under $30, we don't usually play music through our PA, but this on club insists that we do it. Anyway, it has optical and coaxial S/PDIF outputs, 6 analog outputs for 5.1 surround, component, super video and composite outputs. How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? Anyway, since it's got a digital output, I ran it right into the coax digital input on our live board and it sounded great. Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Gonna be real hard to clip the **** out of a digital input, unless I'm really doing something wrong :-) I can't seem to extract a CD into PT (HD7) without clipping. Perhaps unrelated, but puzzling none the less. There's nothing like Exact Aduio Copy available there? These guys had to twist my arm 4 years ago to move off of tape machines and onto Pro Tools. With a DVD drive and PTHD sitting there, why throw another piece of software into the fray? It *is* a bitch have imported stereo music trax be the only continual red lights in a project. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ups.com... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: Given today's CDs, I'm surprised it didn't clip the **** out of it. ;-) Given today's CDs, how could you tell if it was the player that was clipping? It's a high-dollar external firewire DVD drive extracting directly to the G-5 and PTHD7. It's not difficult to extract the full dynamic range of a CD these days. What're we talking about? Maybe 6 dB? And since most consumer electronics has a maximum output level of around 3 volts RMS, that's not hard to do either. Given the nature of "full scale digital" it's easy to predict the absolute maximum level coming out of the D/A converter and design so that the analog circuity doesn't clip. Shouldn't be (as Romeo noted) anything analogue about this path at all. And having a 16/44.1 CD extracted to a 24 bit PT file in a serious state of repetitive clip is just a nuisance to look at. I can't really hear it, and if I get into the waveform, it's hardly obvious at all.... except for those sucky red lights. No one in the building can explain it any better than Romeo when he said that PT probably just has an "idiot protection" sensitivity. |
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It's not difficult to extract the full dynamic range of a CD these days. What're we talking about? Maybe 6 dB? And since most consumer electronics has a maximum output level of around 3 volts RMS, that's not hard to do either. Given the nature of "full scale digital" it's easy to predict the absolute maximum level coming out of the D/A converter and design so that the analog circuity doesn't clip. Shouldn't be (as Romeo noted) anything analogue about this path at all. And having a 16/44.1 CD extracted to a 24 bit PT file in a serious state of repetitive clip is just a nuisance to look at. I can't really hear it, and if I get into the waveform, it's hardly obvious at all.... except for those sucky red lights. No one in the building can explain it any better than Romeo when he said that PT probably just has an "idiot protection" sensitivity. And when you think about it, just 1 sample at full digital scale is more than likely a clip. As a matter of fact, at 16-bits, there's only a 1 in 32,768 chance that it's NOT a clip (a negative clip is just as bad) :-) I'll take those odds and my guess is that ProTools does as well :-) |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
Romeo Rondeau wrote: How the hell can they make this stuff so cheap? I think they pull a lever and just stamp it in one operation. g One thing that cuts back on the costs is manufacturing engineering. They put some time into designing the machinery (that they can re-use) and get the build cost way down. And when they get it down far enough, they can push sales way up. And of course by making something that's not designed to be serviced, they cut way back on technical support and sustaining engineering. But then how do they make all the functionality of a multitrack recorder and mixing console so cheap? Same thing. And if you don't think they've cut back on tech support costs, just try asking for some. g I agree with most of the above (the lever pulling and stamping being the execeptions ;-) but there are other factors, too. To really get costs low, however, one must manufacture "off shore" which is a euphanism for "in countries that burden manufacturers with little to no environmental regulations and have millions of people willing to work for very small fractions of the pay and benefits that the consumers of these goods enjoy." Another fctor is that the corproations behind these manufacturing operations realize that the real money is in the sale of media for these products and are therefore willing to sell the latter at little or no profit. There are probably other factors, too. -- ================================================== ====================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain |
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Michael R. Kesti wrote: Another fctor is that the corproations behind these manufacturing operations realize that the real money is in the sale of media for these products and are therefore willing to sell the latter at little or no profit. It's been a long time since any significant money has been made selling CD blanks, but printer ink cartridges seem to be doing well (as is cellular phone service). |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
Michael R. Kesti wrote: Another fctor is that the corproations behind these manufacturing operations realize that the real money is in the sale of media for these products and are therefore willing to sell the latter at little or no profit. It's been a long time since any significant money has been made selling CD blanks, but printer ink cartridges seem to be doing well (as is cellular phone service). I was referring to prerecorded media, i.e., movies for DVD players and "albums" for CD players. Many (most?) of the companies that market home entertainment products are also in the production and distribution businesses. -- ================================================== ====================== Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make | two, one and one make one." mrkesti at hotmail dot com | - The Who, Bargain |
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