What a crappy sound environment... never mind that they are
characteristically noisy as hell (wind, engine, transmission, squeaks,
etc.) a big square hard surfaced, fiberglass plastic and metal space,
it's like trying to make the bed of a pickup with a fiberglass truck cap
sound good.

I've got 6x9 Sony's in two enclosures. a decent Kenwood head unit (which
mostly serves my 20gig MP3 player through it's rear inputs) I am going
to add a sub and amps, and two 4" in dash and possibly dome tweeters.
Looking for any advise from any people here with Jeeps.

The 6x9's are sealed, I'm thinking of porting them (DIY enclosures) but
they can only really be mounted in the back on top of the wheel
housings, they also must be facing each other (crappy stereo image and
collision) because of size of the wheel housing. I'm thinking of hanging
some custom enclosures (5 to 6 1/2) from the roll bar on either side,
and hanging dome tweeters in front where the roll bar meets the
windshield. (one plus of the Jeep is there's lots of places to hang
stuff with the roll bar)

Problem: where to put the sub? On top of the wheel housing is too small
and exposed (think topless: rain and also damage from putting stuff in
the back). The Jeeps center console would be perfect.. except it's only
about 7 1/2 inches deep by about 6" wide... So any Sub in there would be
tiny but this is where I REALLY want to put it, along with the amp(s)
(and a inverter for powering handtools etc.). I'd be heavily mod'ing the
stock console. Under the passenger seat might work if I make a custom
enclosure for it but it too would have be small.

I want to keep the utility of the Jeep (cargo space in rear) protect the
speakers from excessive weather (I'll be using marine speakers
eventually so that wont be a problem) and I don't want to make them any
more visible (easily stolen) than necessary. Anyone tackled these
problems before? BTW I hate Jeep soundbars so that's out.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Simon Juncal wrote:
What a crappy sound environment... never mind that they are
characteristically noisy as hell (wind, engine, transmission, squeaks,
etc.) a big square hard surfaced, fiberglass plastic and metal space,
it's like trying to make the bed of a pickup with a fiberglass truck cap
sound good.

I've got 6x9 Sony's in two enclosures. a decent Kenwood head unit (which
mostly serves my 20gig MP3 player through it's rear inputs) I am going
to add a sub and amps, and two 4" in dash and possibly dome tweeters.
Looking for any advise from any people here with Jeeps.

What head unit do you have (out of curiosity).

Thanks

You could just sell it and buy something a little more install friendly.



Paul Vina



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What a crappy sound environment... never mind that they are
characteristically noisy as hell (wind, engine, transmission, squeaks,
etc.) a big square hard surfaced, fiberglass plastic and metal space,
it's like trying to make the bed of a pickup with a fiberglass truck cap
sound good.

I've got 6x9 Sony's in two enclosures. a decent Kenwood head unit (which
mostly serves my 20gig MP3 player through it's rear inputs) I am going
to add a sub and amps, and two 4" in dash and possibly dome tweeters.
Looking for any advise from any people here with Jeeps.

The 6x9's are sealed, I'm thinking of porting them (DIY enclosures) but
they can only really be mounted in the back on top of the wheel
housings, they also must be facing each other (crappy stereo image and
collision) because of size of the wheel housing. I'm thinking of hanging
some custom enclosures (5 to 6 1/2) from the roll bar on either side,
and hanging dome tweeters in front where the roll bar meets the
windshield. (one plus of the Jeep is there's lots of places to hang
stuff with the roll bar)

Problem: where to put the sub? On top of the wheel housing is too small
and exposed (think topless: rain and also damage from putting stuff in
the back). The Jeeps center console would be perfect.. except it's only
about 7 1/2 inches deep by about 6" wide... So any Sub in there would be
tiny but this is where I REALLY want to put it, along with the amp(s)
(and a inverter for powering handtools etc.). I'd be heavily mod'ing the
stock console. Under the passenger seat might work if I make a custom
enclosure for it but it too would have be small.

I want to keep the utility of the Jeep (cargo space in rear) protect the
speakers from excessive weather (I'll be using marine speakers
eventually so that wont be a problem) and I don't want to make them any
more visible (easily stolen) than necessary. Anyone tackled these
problems before? BTW I hate Jeep soundbars so that's out.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Being a jeep owner and audio enthusiest, I have indeed suffered the
effects of the wrangler's unfriendly acoustic environment but through
much trial and error I have come up with some great results and ended
up with above average sound in my jeep.

1.) First off, what year jeep is it. If it is a year before 97, jl
audio makes a great center console with a downfiring sub in it that
looks pretty close to stock when installed.
2.) Get rid of the 4x6's in the dash and get at least 5 1/4' for up
front. The 5 1/4 inch baffle that is sold on ebay and other places that
enables you to fit 5/14 inch speakers in the dash is garbage. Don't buy
it! Speakers need some kind of enclosure to sound good, they can't just
be hanging there in the dash with nothing around them. There are
speaker boxes that fit under the door sil called modpods that are great
for the front, or you could fabricate your own kickpannels like I did
for 6 1/2's. Either way, definitly work on the front speakers first.
They are detrimental to the sound quality in your jeep.
Some of the 2003 and up models have components in a small pod in the
dash. This replaced the 4x6's. They can fit aftermarket 3 or 4'
speakers and separate tweeter. Having the pod sealed definitly improves
bass in the dash. You could buy these off ebay.

Component systems can have some good results also. I put the mid in the
pod under the door and the tweetet in the a pilliar at the corner of
the windshield or in the dash location where the 4x6's are.

I'd recommend amping at least your front speakers. You are right, the
sound bar does suck. It has the worst imaging and it puts the speakers
right next to your ears. (very bad)

3.)BASS! Since you don't want to loose the cargo space in the rear,
it's a difficult problem, although bass comming from the rear cargo
space doesn't have great sq because of the confined space and angle of
the back seat. If giving up a little space is ok, you could put a
single 10' or 12 box back there and cross it over pretty low. 80hz
The newer jeeps have a factory, console mounted sub that sounds ok for
stock. It might be able to fit an aftermarket 8' sub with little
modification. Other than that, There is not any space to really fit a
sub without taking up a passenger seat, cargo area, or being really
obtrusive.
4.)The 6x9's are a good idea. I'd definitly try porting them or
building a box that is large enough for them to run infinite baffle.
They should do a decent job with mid bass response that the front might
have a hard time with. I would mount them on the wheel wells. I had
some 6x9's that I kept on the back seat facing forward that sounded
great, but no one could sit there.
5.)Fiberglass might be something you would want to look into working
with. When I started, i found it to be suprisingly easier than I
thought to work with and produced great results. Once you learn how to
use fiberglass you can put anything where you want it!

Hope this helps!
--
timboritus
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