[Casino Wolf]

Hi All,

Check out the cool audio equipment at the beginning and end of the
this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO6v2HvVkfM

That's the way how an ST-70 should be set up...but you don't see very
many PAM-1's used with a Dynakit anymore. What do you guys think of
the Marantz tape machine...I have a similar unit.

[Lou D[_2_]]

Casino Wolf wrote:
Hi All,

Check out the cool audio equipment at the beginning and end of the
this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO6v2HvVkfM

That's the way how an ST-70 should be set up...but you don't see very
many PAM-1's used with a Dynakit anymore. What do you guys think of
the Marantz tape machine...I have a similar unit.

Nice set up. the 70 was recapped with orange drops and had new Svetlana
EL-34s I think.

[w9gb]

"Casino Wolf" wrote in message
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Hi All,

Check out the cool audio equipment at the beginning and end of the
this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO6v2HvVkfM

That's the way how an ST-70 should be set up...but you don't see very
many PAM-1's used with a Dynakit anymore. What do you guys think of
the Marantz tape machine...I have a similar unit.


The Dynaco restoration business is still brisk. Dynakit even returned [but
not David Hafler -(sk)]
http://www.dynakitparts.com/store/

Always liked the look of the KT88 on the Mark III
Here is photo of a rebuilt one with the DIYTUBE driver board.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...13868377WtkzaP

g. beat

[Sal Brisindi]

w9gb wrote:


The Dynaco restoration business is still brisk. Dynakit even returned [but
not David Hafler -(sk)]
http://www.dynakitparts.com/store/

Always liked the look of the KT88 on the Mark III
Here is photo of a rebuilt one with the DIYTUBE driver board.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...13868377WtkzaP

g. beat



Nice looking amp, the KT88 tubes definitely show who's the boss. I have
a complete Dynaco setup, a restored ST-70, PAS-3 preamp (I will recap
the preamp later this month, a FM-3 tube FM tuber and of course,
Dynaco's A-25 speakers. An awesome combination!

Regards,
Sal

[Steven]

If you can find or make a part, none of us at RAR+P truly care. That's
what the group is about.

Making stuff work.

I now fit the over 40 checkoff on surveys as of this morning.

Have fun, guys. Today is mine and I'm pedalling.

[Peter Wieck]

On Jun 26, 1:14 am, Bret Ludwig wrote:
Always liked the look of the KT88 on the Mark III
Here is photo of a rebuilt one with the DIYTUBE driver board.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...13868377WtkzaP

g. beat

Nice looking amp, the KT88 tubes definitely show who's the boss. I have
a complete Dynaco setup, a restored ST-70, PAS-3 preamp (I will recap
the preamp later this month, a FM-3 tube FM tuber and of course,
Dynaco's A-25 speakers. An awesome combination!

Actually it's straight out of a horror movie.

I listened to a Classic JFK/MM Era College Boy setup earlier this
week. AR table and speakers and Dyna PAS and ST70, stock circuit,
black board. The owner was a guy selling stereo equipment out of his
basement (of course he has no business license or insurance and the
zoning is prohibitive, but at least he isn't a cocksucker like David
Dicks) and the real purpose of this rig was to show people just how
far audio has come.

A long, long way.

Even his eighties setup-Allison speakers and a Nakamichi integrated
amp-overall sounded better. On the reference recording we listened to-
a RCA Living Stereo old pressing of "North of Hollywood" (Alex North,
film music) the Dyna system sounded slushy and inarticulate. The 80s
system did, all things told, a fair job. Not great, but fair. But not
lot lizard sloppy seconds on polyester .

Bret:

I have come to the sad conclusion that you are a poorly (but
expensively) educated, formerly priviledged, underemployed, partially
deaf, former liberal, virgin, wannabe curmudgeon who had planned his
life around living from daddy & mommy's estate...

Now, the question is whether you were disinherited in favor of a home
for aged sheep, or whether you blew the estate and are now living such
crumbs as you are able to earn from your own merits... .

Nothing else quite explains your singular bitterness and pathological
nastiness.

And, of course, the fact that much of the time that you are just plain
wrong.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Tim Mullen]

In . com Peter Wieck writes:

Now, the question is whether you were disinherited in favor of a home
for aged sheep,

I just discovered recently that the famed Tavern on the Green
used to be home to the sheep that actually grazed the Sheep Meadow
in Central Park. I kinda like that idea:

"Hey! Nice sheep barn ya got here!"

Dismissive attitude aside, Bret's right -- equipment has come
a long way. Not that I wouldn't take Dyna-era gear over anything
you can find at Best Buy, but it's not the be-all-end-all, either.

I'm not so sure about a comparison with 80''s gear, but I wasn't
there. Certainly there's modern equipment that's sonically satisfying
without breaking the bank.

Technology does improve. That's engineering's job.

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[Peter Wieck]

On Jun 26, 5:33 pm, Tim Mullen wrote:
In . com Peter Wieck writes:

Now, the question is whether you were disinherited in favor of a home
for aged sheep,

I just discovered recently that the famed Tavern on the Green
used to be home to the sheep that actually grazed the Sheep Meadow
in Central Park. I kinda like that idea:

"Hey! Nice sheep barn ya got here!"

Dismissive attitude aside, Bret's right -- equipment has come
a long way. Not that I wouldn't take Dyna-era gear over anything
you can find at Best Buy, but it's not the be-all-end-all, either.

I'm not so sure about a comparison with 80''s gear, but I wasn't
there. Certainly there's modern equipment that's sonically satisfying
without breaking the bank.

Technology does improve. That's engineering's job.

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Tim:

Mostly I agree. I have 60s - 80s Revox, Scott, Tandberg, Yamaha, AR
and Dynaco (amongst others). Dynaco is low on that totem-pole as to
build-quality for many of the reasons Bret mentions. But it is also
quite *AND* inexpensively amenible to modifications that bring it up
to pretty remarkable sound quality by any measure or standard within
the grasp of the average human being. And, as it happens, a plurality-
at-least of those who might be described as "golden-ears". I would not
sacrifice my Scott LK-150 for any Dynaco unit, but all-in-at-the-same-
time, given my location, an FM-3 is more than adequate for my
immediate needs. There is a 4-minute $0.80 modification to the PAS 2/3
that takes care of the impedance-matching issues quite elegantly, and
the list of potential mods to the ST-70 are longer than our collective
and several arms.

Bret is irrational, bitter and angry. Taking his entire history of
posting in this (amongst other) groups belies whatever denials he
might make towards my quite superficial descriptives. Personally, I
think he needs a high colonic and a diet of epsom-salts and distilled
water for the foreseeable future. Maybe the bile will drop below
criticality such that rational thought might become possible (for him)
again.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[John Byrns]

In article . com,
Peter Wieck wrote:

Tim:

Mostly I agree. I have 60s - 80s Revox, Scott, Tandberg, Yamaha, AR
and Dynaco (amongst others). Dynaco is low on that totem-pole as to
build-quality for many of the reasons Bret mentions. But it is also
quite *AND* inexpensively amenible to modifications that bring it up
to pretty remarkable sound quality by any measure or standard within
the grasp of the average human being. And, as it happens, a plurality-
at-least of those who might be described as "golden-ears". I would not
sacrifice my Scott LK-150 for any Dynaco unit, but all-in-at-the-same-
time, given my location, an FM-3 is more than adequate for my
immediate needs. There is a 4-minute $0.80 modification to the PAS 2/3
that takes care of the impedance-matching issues quite elegantly, and
the list of potential mods to the ST-70 are longer than our collective
and several arms.

I would be interested in hearing Bret's point by point analysis of the
ST-70 vs. the LK-150, as regards the power supply, driver stage, output
stage, and output transformer? The ST-70 was a decent amp but the PAS
2/3 was a piece of junk and the FM-3 a mediocre tuner at best. If I
could take a time machine on a kit buying shopping trip back to the
early 1960's I would go for an ST-70 with a Scott LC-21 preamp, and for
a tuner I would take the Scott LT-110B.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Peter Wieck]

On Jun 26, 9:16 pm, John Byrns wrote:
The ST-70 was a decent amp but the PAS
2/3 was a piece of junk and the FM-3 a mediocre tuner at best. If I
could take a time machine on a kit buying shopping trip back to the
early 1960's I would go for an ST-70 with a Scott LC-21 preamp, and for
a tuner I would take the Scott LT-110B.

Sure. But the PAS is also quite amenable to mods that put it well
within the realm of the LT-110, and as noted, the FM-3 is adequate for
my immediate needs in my location. Upstate where I need both
selectivity and sensitivity, it would be woefully inadequate at best,
even with the de-emphasis mod and P/S mod. As would the fabled Marantz
10B, as it happens and by test. Whereas a simple-minded Japanese HK500
does quite well and the Revox A720 is flat-out amazing.

John, with respect, you and Bret are cut from the same cloth inasmuch
as you are bitter, dim individuals. Not of expertise and wit on your
part, or verbal gymnastics on Bret's part, but in the general realm of
natural human commerce. It is hard for me to fathom what happened to
embitter Bret so, and yet that much harder to understand what happened
to you as you are far brighter than he is... and should derive some
happiness from it. Apparently you do not.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Tim Mullen]

In . com Bret Ludwig writes:

Anyone with a time machine that goes back for stereo
equipment......has to be nuts.

http://marilynmonroepages.com/Timeli.../SGTG_Pool.jpg

Those have also been bettered by modern design, you know.

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[Tim Mullen]

In .com Bret Ludwig writes:

Note also the soft appearance-she has a normal female body fat
distribution. Not a hardbody.

Different strokes for different folks. I'm quite happy with
today's model -- mean, lean, and built for speed.

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[Steven]

Bret Ludwig wrote:

One and a half out of seven is not Hall of Fame batting. But keep at
it.

It is if you're a catcher!

[Peter Wieck]

On Jun 26, 11:07 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

You have a real bug up your ass about other people's problems.

Bret:

As it happens, my "bug" is activated only when those "other people"
insist on visiting their problems on others. Were they to participate
at some moderate level of discourse, even strongly opinionated
discourse, my poor, overworked little bug could get some sleep...
perhaps even retire. But rigid nastly little opinions delivered
maliciously do get that bug activated some.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Steven]

Peter Wieck wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:07 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

You have a real bug up your ass about other people's problems.

Bret:

As it happens, my "bug" is activated only when those "other people"
insist on visiting their problems on others. Were they to participate
at some moderate level of discourse, even strongly opinionated
discourse, my poor, overworked little bug could get some sleep...
perhaps even retire. But rigid nastly little opinions delivered
maliciously do get that bug activated some.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

I just go back to his obsessions with WE gear being parted and remark
that was a bad one while virtually holding my nose and waving my hand
around for relief.

Limburger!

[Peter Wieck]

On Jun 26, 11:15 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

i've never looked at the LK-150, as far as i remember.

Pure power-amp, 2x5AR4, 2x7199, 4x6550

Bias is fixed and monitored via front-panel meter with readily
adjustable wide-range pots top-mounted on the chassis. Weighs nearly
2x the ST-70. Two levels of input sensitivity.

http://home.arcor.de/kanfanar/new%20...cott_LK150.jpg

http://www.vacuumtube.com/LK150.jpg

They typically run a stunning $1200 +/- in the auction venue in good
condition. Nuts, but what they fetch.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[John Stone]

On 6/27/07 10:32 AM, in article
, "Peter Wieck"
wrote:

On Jun 26, 11:15 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

i've never looked at the LK-150, as far as i remember.

Pure power-amp, 2x5AR4, 2x7199, 4x6550

Bias is fixed and monitored via front-panel meter with readily
adjustable wide-range pots top-mounted on the chassis. Weighs nearly
2x the ST-70. Two levels of input sensitivity.

http://home.arcor.de/kanfanar/new%20...cott_LK150.jpg

http://www.vacuumtube.com/LK150.jpg

They typically run a stunning $1200 +/- in the auction venue in good
condition. Nuts, but what they fetch.

Doesn't appear much different electronically from a pair of MK III's or a
beefed up Stereo 70. Very simple driver stage. This was basically a kit, no?
Value is probably based on rarity more than anything. Even the silly little
Dyna Stereo 35 is pulling near $500 bids. Go figure.
Even if not at the level of an Mc 275 or Marantz 9, still an interesting
piece. Is the output stage ultralinear?

[Peter Wieck]

On Jun 27, 12:20 pm, John Stone wrote:
On 6/27/07 10:32 AM, in article
. com, "Peter Wieck"





wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:15 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

i've never looked at the LK-150, as far as i remember.

Pure power-amp, 2x5AR4, 2x7199, 4x6550

Bias is fixed and monitored via front-panel meter with readily
adjustable wide-range pots top-mounted on the chassis. Weighs nearly
2x the ST-70. Two levels of input sensitivity.

http://home.arcor.de/kanfanar/new%20...cott_LK150.jpg

http://www.vacuumtube.com/LK150.jpg

They typically run a stunning $1200 +/- in the auction venue in good
condition. Nuts, but what they fetch.

Doesn't appear much different electronically from a pair of MK III's or a
beefed up Stereo 70. Very simple driver stage. This was basically a kit, no?
Value is probably based on rarity more than anything. Even the silly little
Dyna Stereo 35 is pulling near $500 bids. Go figure.
Even if not at the level of an Mc 275 or Marantz 9, still an interesting
piece. Is the output stage ultralinear?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pentode-connected, in-house-wound OPTs and PTs, and correct, *about*
the same circuit as the MK-III, rated (by some) at 65WPC. One of the
OPTs is nearly the same weight as an entire ST-70.

I also keep an ST-35, "silly" about covers it, no on/off switch as
basic as it gets. But well-sounding withall at low power. I run it
into a pair of AR TSW110s, it fills a small room quite nicely and with
decent bass (as decent as the speakers make, that is). It has been
recapped and cleaned, wiring and traces all checked, sockets cleaned
and tightened...

At this point I keep three tube amps, being the 35, the 70 and the
LK-150. My home-brew based on Fisher iron is SLOWLY taking form on the
bench... I am leaning to PP 6L6 w/a single 12AX7 driver per side...
That is another story and only limited progress to-date, too little
time in good weather. I have had a couple of other tube-based amps
(integrated and receivers, actually) pass through and I am kinda-sorta
looking for another ST-70 to use as a test-bed amp to try (for myself
vs. for others) the various, sundry and dozens of modifications out
there, from 807 outputs to triode connected, different drivers.... and
on and on.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Steven]

On Jun 27, 9:32 am, Peter Wieck wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:15 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

i've never looked at the LK-150, as far as i remember.

Pure power-amp, 2x5AR4, 2x7199, 4x6550

Bias is fixed and monitored via front-panel meter with readily
adjustable wide-range pots top-mounted on the chassis. Weighs nearly
2x the ST-70. Two levels of input sensitivity.

http://home.arcor.de/kanfanar/new%20...cott_LK150.jpg

http://www.vacuumtube.com/LK150.jpg

They typically run a stunning $1200 +/- in the auction venue in good
condition. Nuts, but what they fetch.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

I'm not giving my nuts for one.

[Steven]

On Jun 27, 11:28 am, Peter Wieck wrote:
On Jun 27, 12:20 pm, John Stone wrote:





On 6/27/07 10:32 AM, in article
. com, "Peter Wieck"

wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:15 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

i've never looked at the LK-150, as far as i remember.

Pure power-amp, 2x5AR4, 2x7199, 4x6550

Bias is fixed and monitored via front-panel meter with readily
adjustable wide-range pots top-mounted on the chassis. Weighs nearly
2x the ST-70. Two levels of input sensitivity.

http://home.arcor.de/kanfanar/new%20...cott_LK150.jpg

http://www.vacuumtube.com/LK150.jpg

They typically run a stunning $1200 +/- in the auction venue in good
condition. Nuts, but what they fetch.

Doesn't appear much different electronically from a pair of MK III's or a
beefed up Stereo 70. Very simple driver stage. This was basically a kit, no?
Value is probably based on rarity more than anything. Even the silly little
Dyna Stereo 35 is pulling near $500 bids. Go figure.
Even if not at the level of an Mc 275 or Marantz 9, still an interesting
piece. Is the output stage ultralinear?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pentode-connected, in-house-wound OPTs and PTs, and correct, *about*
the same circuit as the MK-III, rated (by some) at 65WPC. One of the
OPTs is nearly the same weight as an entire ST-70.

I also keep an ST-35, "silly" about covers it, no on/off switch as
basic as it gets. But well-sounding withall at low power. I run it
into a pair of AR TSW110s, it fills a small room quite nicely and with
decent bass (as decent as the speakers make, that is). It has been
recapped and cleaned, wiring and traces all checked, sockets cleaned
and tightened...

At this point I keep three tube amps, being the 35, the 70 and the
LK-150. My home-brew based on Fisher iron is SLOWLY taking form on the
bench... I am leaning to PP 6L6 w/a single 12AX7 driver per side...
That is another story and only limited progress to-date, too little
time in good weather. I have had a couple of other tube-based amps
(integrated and receivers, actually) pass through and I am kinda-sorta
looking for another ST-70 to use as a test-bed amp to try (for myself
vs. for others) the various, sundry and dozens of modifications out
there, from 807 outputs to triode connected, different drivers.... and
on and on.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

I think we have a C33 preamp on our CL, by the way. I can't start a
life of crime though.

[Carter-k8vt]

John Stone wrote:


http://home.arcor.de/kanfanar/new%20...cott_LK150.jpg

http://www.vacuumtube.com/LK150.jpg

They typically run a stunning $1200 +/- in the auction venue in good
condition. Nuts, but what they fetch.

Doesn't appear much different electronically from a pair of MK III's or a
beefed up Stereo 70. Very simple driver stage. This was basically a kit, no?
Value is probably based on rarity more than anything. Even the silly little
Dyna Stereo 35 is pulling near $500 bids. Go figure.

Go figure, indeed.

A couple of years ago, I bought a few ham radio items, and although I'm
not into "hi-fi", the guy had an ST-70 he wanted 60 or 70 bucks for. So,
without looking very closely, I said sure, throw it in the pile.

Well, a couple of months later, I finally got to looking at it and it
turned out that...

....it was mostly un-built; just the pre-amp PC board had been put
together. Otherwise, no wiring, no resistors or capacitors (other than
the can electrolytic already mounted on the chassis) and worst of all,
one missing output transformer. However, it did have all the (unused) tubes.

Well, that explained why it was so cheap; I figured the guy was having a
good chuckle at my expense.

Well, to make a long story short, I ended up selling it piecemeal on the
e-place and netted $830 (complete, wired, working ST-70s on the e-place
were going for maybe $400-450 tops at the time).

So, yes, the prices of these things DO get a little silly.

[Tim Mullen]

In . com Bret Ludwig writes:

Build quality gets worse. Service gets worse. Standards get lowered.

That's accounting and marketing's job.

And don't forget to thank the consumer:

"Geeez! That stuff's EXPENSIVE! I can get one for $29.99
that's Just As Good..."

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