I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

bayydogg wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Take a listen to a Soundelux U195 if you can add another $150. Here's a
link. http://mercenaryaudio.com/soundeluxu195.html

Jim

--
it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt....

bayydogg wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Take a listen to a Soundelux U195 if you can add another $150. Here's a
link. http://mercenaryaudio.com/soundeluxu195.html

Jim

--
it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt....

In article ,
bayydogg wrote:
I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Do you want it to sound like the U87 or like something else?

I personally don't really like the U87 on vocals, but if you want that
pitched up sound there are a lot of mikes out there trying to emulate it.
Hell, you might even like the TLM 103, which I think is usually much more
handy on vocals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article ,
bayydogg wrote:
I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Do you want it to sound like the U87 or like something else?

I personally don't really like the U87 on vocals, but if you want that
pitched up sound there are a lot of mikes out there trying to emulate it.
Hell, you might even like the TLM 103, which I think is usually much more
handy on vocals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article writes:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic.

Try out some of the Chinese mics. You might find one that works very
well and only costs a couple of hundred bucks. A U87 isn't always the
right mic (but I'll admit that it's usually the first one I'll try and
usually it works).



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic.

Try out some of the Chinese mics. You might find one that works very
well and only costs a couple of hundred bucks. A U87 isn't always the
right mic (but I'll admit that it's usually the first one I'll try and
usually it works).



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Bayy,

I can't afford that mic

Get an audiotechnica 4033. It's affordable and excellent.

--Ethan

Bayy,

I can't afford that mic

Get an audiotechnica 4033. It's affordable and excellent.

--Ethan

On the project I'm working on now, I just swapped out my U87 for a SE
Electronics Z5600 on the lead vocalist track. About $550. Good Chinese tube
mic. Working good on this guy's voice.

On the project I'm working on now, I just swapped out my U87 for a SE
Electronics Z5600 on the lead vocalist track. About $550. Good Chinese tube
mic. Working good on this guy's voice.

If you can live with a single (cardioid) pickup pattern, the Microtech
Gefell M930 is worth checking out. The M940 (#?) looks the same but is
hypercardioid; I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may have less of a
rise up top. I'm sure pleased with the M930s I bought, though, and not just
for vocals.

Peace,
Paul

If you can live with a single (cardioid) pickup pattern, the Microtech
Gefell M930 is worth checking out. The M940 (#?) looks the same but is
hypercardioid; I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may have less of a
rise up top. I'm sure pleased with the M930s I bought, though, and not just
for vocals.

Peace,
Paul

"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
...
Bayy,

I can't afford that mic

Get an audiotechnica 4033. It's affordable and excellent.

I'll second that. As a matter of fact, I've used one where a U87 wasn't
working well, like on a shrill female gospel singer.

"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
...
Bayy,

I can't afford that mic

Get an audiotechnica 4033. It's affordable and excellent.

I'll second that. As a matter of fact, I've used one where a U87 wasn't
working well, like on a shrill female gospel singer.

In article , "Paul
Stamler" writes:

If you can live with a single (cardioid) pickup pattern, the Microtech
Gefell M930 is worth checking out. The M940 (#?) looks the same but is
hypercardioid; I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may have less of a
rise up top. I'm sure pleased with the M930s I bought, though, and not just
for vocals.

Peace,
Paul


Paul,
What do the M930s sell for new?
Thanks,
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

In article , "Paul
Stamler" writes:

If you can live with a single (cardioid) pickup pattern, the Microtech
Gefell M930 is worth checking out. The M940 (#?) looks the same but is
hypercardioid; I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may have less of a
rise up top. I'm sure pleased with the M930s I bought, though, and not just
for vocals.

Peace,
Paul


Paul,
What do the M930s sell for new?
Thanks,
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:54:11 -0400, Mark Plancke wrote
(in article ):

On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range. If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

The nice part is that they (Neumann's) hold their value especially
when you buy them used and you'll get lot's of use out of it until you
decide to sell it - or not.

Mark
"In this business egos can be wonderful, but they also can be a curse."
Michael Wagener

And by all means please know that it's the mic in combination with the mic
preamp that determine the sound.

Considering ONLY the mic is like ordering a peanut butter sandwich and not
specifying what sort of bread you want. I like pumpernickel, you may not.

Some great mics actually sound like crap through the wrong preamp.

The TLM 103 through a Focusrite RED two channel comes to mind.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:54:11 -0400, Mark Plancke wrote
(in article ):

On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range. If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

The nice part is that they (Neumann's) hold their value especially
when you buy them used and you'll get lot's of use out of it until you
decide to sell it - or not.

Mark
"In this business egos can be wonderful, but they also can be a curse."
Michael Wagener

And by all means please know that it's the mic in combination with the mic
preamp that determine the sound.

Considering ONLY the mic is like ordering a peanut butter sandwich and not
specifying what sort of bread you want. I like pumpernickel, you may not.

Some great mics actually sound like crap through the wrong preamp.

The TLM 103 through a Focusrite RED two channel comes to mind.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range. If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

The nice part is that they (Neumann's) hold their value especially
when you buy them used and you'll get lot's of use out of it until you
decide to sell it - or not.

I just got a pair of new Studio Projects C1's for a great price, I've not had a
chance to try them out yet but I've heard lots of good things about them.

On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range. If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

The nice part is that they (Neumann's) hold their value especially
when you buy them used and you'll get lot's of use out of it until you
decide to sell it - or not.

I just got a pair of new Studio Projects C1's for a great price, I've not had a
chance to try them out yet but I've heard lots of good things about them.

"Garth" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Paul
Stamler" writes:

If you can live with a single (cardioid) pickup pattern, the Microtech
Gefell M930 is worth checking out. The M940 (#?) looks the same but is
hypercardioid; I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may have less of
a
rise up top. I'm sure pleased with the M930s I bought, though, and not
just
for vocals.

Paul,
What do the M930s sell for new?

List is about US$1,150; street is probably about $1k. If you buy the Gefell
shock mount, though, be prepared to drop your teeth. I found the
Electrovoice 313A works just as well or better and is a lot cheaper; it
won't work with Gefell's XY stereo bar, though. But if you're buying a
single microphone, don't worry about it; just use the E-V mount.

Peace,
Paul

"Garth" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Paul
Stamler" writes:

If you can live with a single (cardioid) pickup pattern, the Microtech
Gefell M930 is worth checking out. The M940 (#?) looks the same but is
hypercardioid; I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may have less of
a
rise up top. I'm sure pleased with the M930s I bought, though, and not
just
for vocals.

Paul,
What do the M930s sell for new?

List is about US$1,150; street is probably about $1k. If you buy the Gefell
shock mount, though, be prepared to drop your teeth. I found the
Electrovoice 313A works just as well or better and is a lot cheaper; it
won't work with Gefell's XY stereo bar, though. But if you're buying a
single microphone, don't worry about it; just use the E-V mount.

Peace,
Paul

"Mark Plancke" wrote in message
...
On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range.

And it sometimes costs more again than the purchase price to bring it up to
spec, as many have found out.

If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

Where a properly refurbished example is likely to cost more than his budget.

If your just after the sound rather than the badge, try some of the
suggestions already mentioned here.

TonyP.

"Mark Plancke" wrote in message
...
On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range.

And it sometimes costs more again than the purchase price to bring it up to
spec, as many have found out.

If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

Where a properly refurbished example is likely to cost more than his budget.

If your just after the sound rather than the badge, try some of the
suggestions already mentioned here.

TonyP.

In article writes:

And by all means please know that it's the mic in combination with the mic
preamp that determine the sound.

. . . in combination with the room, in combination with the vocalist.

Use what you got. If it doesn't work at all, the singer's no good. If
it doesn't work like your dreams, either dream less or spend more -
which doesn't necessarily buy ONE more expensive mic, but rather buy a
few mics so you can experiment and find the best one in your closet
for the particular voice.

If this is the only voice you'll ever record, and the only room you'll
ever record in, then you can sell the other mics - until you record
another song which may call for a different sound.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

And by all means please know that it's the mic in combination with the mic
preamp that determine the sound.

. . . in combination with the room, in combination with the vocalist.

Use what you got. If it doesn't work at all, the singer's no good. If
it doesn't work like your dreams, either dream less or spend more -
which doesn't necessarily buy ONE more expensive mic, but rather buy a
few mics so you can experiment and find the best one in your closet
for the particular voice.

If this is the only voice you'll ever record, and the only room you'll
ever record in, then you can sell the other mics - until you record
another song which may call for a different sound.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

FWIW, we listened to some Rode mics last month, and wow, I was taken
aback. I can hardly imagine better value for money. The one that comes
to mind is the K2. We compared it directly with the U87, and we
preferred the K2. So I'd say, there's another one for your shortlist.

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

FWIW, we listened to some Rode mics last month, and wow, I was taken
aback. I can hardly imagine better value for money. The one that comes
to mind is the K2. We compared it directly with the U87, and we
preferred the K2. So I'd say, there's another one for your shortlist.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:48:16 -0400, Raymond wrote
(in article ):

On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range. If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

The nice part is that they (Neumann's) hold their value especially
when you buy them used and you'll get lot's of use out of it until you
decide to sell it - or not.

I just got a pair of new Studio Projects C1's for a great price, I've not
had a
chance to try them out yet but I've heard lots of good things about them.

Yeah, but he was talking about Neumann U87. The gulf between the two you
could drive the Hindenberg, Lusitania and the entire NFL through.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:48:16 -0400, Raymond wrote
(in article ):

On 12 Jul 2004 22:52:19 -0700, (bayydogg)
wrote:

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

Add $200-$300 and go to Ebay, you'll find lot's of used U87's in that
range. If your not comfortable with Ebay try a used Pro Audio dealer.

The nice part is that they (Neumann's) hold their value especially
when you buy them used and you'll get lot's of use out of it until you
decide to sell it - or not.

I just got a pair of new Studio Projects C1's for a great price, I've not
had a
chance to try them out yet but I've heard lots of good things about them.

Yeah, but he was talking about Neumann U87. The gulf between the two you
could drive the Hindenberg, Lusitania and the entire NFL through.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:54:41 -0400, Woodworm wrote
(in article ) :

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

FWIW, we listened to some Rode mics last month, and wow, I was taken
aback. I can hardly imagine better value for money. The one that comes
to mind is the K2. We compared it directly with the U87, and we
preferred the K2. So I'd say, there's another one for your shortlist.

Well the K2 is brighter than the u 87 and some people get fooled into
thinking brighter is better. Try the NT2000. It's smoother than the NTK.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:54:41 -0400, Woodworm wrote
(in article ) :

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

FWIW, we listened to some Rode mics last month, and wow, I was taken
aback. I can hardly imagine better value for money. The one that comes
to mind is the K2. We compared it directly with the U87, and we
preferred the K2. So I'd say, there's another one for your shortlist.

Well the K2 is brighter than the u 87 and some people get fooled into
thinking brighter is better. Try the NT2000. It's smoother than the NTK.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

"bayydogg" wrote in message
om...
I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic.
For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

An alternative to the Neumann U87 for less than $1000?

If you listened to a recording of a male vocal, would you be able to
tell if it was made using a U87? Any sub $1000 mike that sounds
enough like a U87 to fool you can be considered an alternative. My
guess is that most cardioid mikes fill the bill. It's been my
observation that even experienced professionals cannot tell you much
of anything about a mike just from listening to recordings made with
it. And that seems to be the case even when nothing is changed but
the mike--not even the mike position.

Norm Strong

"bayydogg" wrote in message
om...
I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic.
For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

An alternative to the Neumann U87 for less than $1000?

If you listened to a recording of a male vocal, would you be able to
tell if it was made using a U87? Any sub $1000 mike that sounds
enough like a U87 to fool you can be considered an alternative. My
guess is that most cardioid mikes fill the bill. It's been my
observation that even experienced professionals cannot tell you much
of anything about a mike just from listening to recordings made with
it. And that seems to be the case even when nothing is changed but
the mike--not even the mike position.

Norm Strong

You can hardly go wrong with Rode. Hit Ebay and pick up
a Rode classic or classic II for 800 to 1000. Or the NTK
They have 2 or 3 new ones out around the 400 to 500 range.
Forget about it! I have not heard any of the chinese mics
that sound as smooth on the top end as the Rode Classic.
Gorgeous, all of their current mics IMO.



Ty Ford wrote in message ...
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:54:41 -0400, Woodworm wrote
(in article ) :

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

FWIW, we listened to some Rode mics last month, and wow, I was taken
aback. I can hardly imagine better value for money. The one that comes
to mind is the K2. We compared it directly with the U87, and we
preferred the K2. So I'd say, there's another one for your shortlist.

Well the K2 is brighter than the u 87 and some people get fooled into
thinking brighter is better. Try the NT2000. It's smoother than the NTK.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

You can hardly go wrong with Rode. Hit Ebay and pick up
a Rode classic or classic II for 800 to 1000. Or the NTK
They have 2 or 3 new ones out around the 400 to 500 range.
Forget about it! I have not heard any of the chinese mics
that sound as smooth on the top end as the Rode Classic.
Gorgeous, all of their current mics IMO.



Ty Ford wrote in message ...
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:54:41 -0400, Woodworm wrote
(in article ) :

I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic. For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

FWIW, we listened to some Rode mics last month, and wow, I was taken
aback. I can hardly imagine better value for money. The one that comes
to mind is the K2. We compared it directly with the U87, and we
preferred the K2. So I'd say, there's another one for your shortlist.

Well the K2 is brighter than the u 87 and some people get fooled into
thinking brighter is better. Try the NT2000. It's smoother than the NTK.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford

Ty Ford wrote:
Some great mics actually sound like crap through the wrong preamp.
The TLM 103 through a Focusrite RED two channel comes to mind.

My favorite drum overhead channel is a TLM 103 through
a Focusrite RED 1, which is very likely the same as the one
in RED 2! Only when doing multi-miking, though, in minimal
micing setups it tends to emphasize cymbals a bit too much.

Timo

"Ethan Winer" ethanw at ethanwiner dot com wrote in message
...

Get an audiotechnica 4033. It's affordable and excellent.


If you like bright mics. WAY bright.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

"normanstrong" wrote in message news:R5zJc.85710$%_6.34685@attbi_s01...
"bayydogg" wrote in message
om...
I can't afford that mic, but I really need a good male vocal mic.
For
a used mic, I might go up to $1000 US. Geez, even the U87 is higher
than that used! Any ideas? Thanks.

An alternative to the Neumann U87 for less than $1000?

If you listened to a recording of a male vocal, would you be able to
tell if it was made using a U87? Any sub $1000 mike that sounds
enough like a U87 to fool you can be considered an alternative. My
guess is that most cardioid mikes fill the bill. It's been my
observation that even experienced professionals cannot tell you much
of anything about a mike just from listening to recordings made with
it. And that seems to be the case even when nothing is changed but
the mike--not even the mike position.

Norm Strong


You'll never find another Neumann - but I WILL vouch for the Studio
Projects C3 - I really is better for the price - The T3 must be pretty
damn sweet - Other than those 2 pennies I would recommend renting high
end gear - I use these guys www.audio-consultants.com

TJ